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Does anyone else have a 1/8” black bar going along the entire bottom edge of screen? Is it normal? I just noticed it regardless of source. I thought it was a screen centering issue but that function is either grayed out or just the vertical adjustment is grayed out. Again, it’s only about an 1/8” - 1/4” above the bottom tv frame. Think mini CinemaScope bar.

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So now when when the audio drops out on my Prime Video app the TV switch’s from my external speakers to the TV speakers and if I manually swap it back I get a HDCP lockout error and have to restart the Prime App. It mentions checking HDMI cable but it works fine for the built in Netflix App

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Well, going eARC from my A9G to ARC on my Oppo 205 works just fine with a Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed HDMI 4k 28AWG 18Gbps Cable. You absolutely don't need 8k cables for eARC to work.

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Maybe you just have ARC and not eARC.

With 18Gbps cables the receiver shows either Dolby Digital+ or DD+ or Dolby Surround on the panel. It's not consistent either, changing from one to another and more importantly, they remain showing with eARC set to either Off & On.

With the 48Gbps cables it shows Multi Channel 7.1

ARC is passing lossy DD+ audio, eARC is passing lossless PCM.
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There’s no way to completely eliminate noise if the source is noisy on any set.
I'm not sure that it's necessarily the source. I expect it when I play standard DVD's, but it's a bit unexpected with other content. Watching Stranger Things on Netflix right now and seeing this problem with some scenes. I'm not alarmed by it as it could be any number of things, but I'm still trying to pinpoint the issue and see if there's an adjustment that I can make.

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Hi, I thought I’️d post this over here as well to get some opinions on some picture artifacts I’️m seeing on my A9G. It’️s only on select scenes but here is an example of what I’️m talking about. Ore: This is with the settings for both Digital noise reduction & smooth gradation on “High”. Notice the sunglasses on the right side facing you anatomically, notice the noise artifacts in the center of her glasses. I’️m hoping after a proper calibration this can be illuminated altogether. This is from the movie “Ultraviolet” in case you want to check it out for yourself. Let me what you think, thx.
I have this same problem with some scenes. On some scenes skin appears to be crawling because there's so much video noise going on. Haven't figured out how to eliminate it yet without diminishing the overall picture.
I recently saw the recommended display settings from rtings.com and tried them out. I think it’s helped some since they recommend changing the gamma to ‘0’ up from ‘-2’ out of the box on Custom picture mode. Give it a try and let me know what you think.

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PS: Do you find that sometimes in dark scenes you’re seeing a pulsating brightness? It’s as if the darker background scenes get brighter then darker again and then brighter and darker again, fluctuating back-and-forth? It’s very subtle but you can notice it sometimes.

 

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I'm not sure that it's necessarily the source. I expect it when I play standard DVD's, but it's a bit unexpected with other content. Watching Stranger Things on Netflix right now and seeing this problem with some scenes. I'm not alarmed by it as it could be any number of things, but I'm still trying to pinpoint the issue and see if there's an adjustment that I can make.


There nothing you can do when the source is mastered that way. I use the scene from defenders with Luke cage and his yellow shirt which and Jessica Jones to compare how various TVs handled noise and this is the best or close to the best I’ve ever seen.


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Just curious, does the set have a blue only mode for color calibration?

I am considering on getting this set myself.

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I'm not sure that it's necessarily the source. I expect it when I play standard DVD's, but it's a bit unexpected with other content. Watching Stranger Things on Netflix right now and seeing this problem with some scenes. I'm not alarmed by it as it could be any number of things, but I'm still trying to pinpoint the issue and see if there's an adjustment that I can make.


Have you tried watching stranger things on another 4k tv? I’ve tested many TVs with stranger things, especially the episode with the arcade and the a9g is definitely not any noisier than the others.
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Have you tried watching stranger things on another 4k tv? I’ve tested many TVs with stranger things, especially the episode with the arcade and the a9g is definitely not any noisier than the others.
I haven't tried that, but I'm only seeing the problem in just a few scenes.

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Is it noise or grain?

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I recently saw the recommended display settings from rtings.com and tried them out. I think it’s helped some since they recommend changing the gamma to ‘0’ up from ‘-2’ out of the box on Custom picture mode. Give it a try and let me know what you think.

Custom’ picture mode
Contrast to '90’
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Peak luminance at 'High'

PS: Do you find that sometimes in dark scenes you’re seeing a pulsating brightness? It’s as if the darker background scenes get brighter then darker again and then brighter and darker again, fluctuating back-and-forth? It’s very subtle but you can notice it sometimes.
Pretty much all 2018 OLEDs have this issue; unfortunate to hear it might still be a problem with 2019 panels. Having gamma at 0 will probably exacerbate the issue since near-black picture information will be brighter.

Performing a full calibration has minimized it on my A9F with gamma set to -2. You might find once the display is calibrated, gamma at -2 is more to your liking.
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Just curious, does the set have a blue only mode for color calibration?

I am considering on getting this set myself.
No, it doesn’t. LG does.
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I recently saw the recommended display settings from rtings.com and tried them out. I think it’️s helped some since they recommend changing the gamma to ‘0’️ up from ‘-2’️ out of the box on Custom picture mode. Give it a try and let me know what you think.

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Contrast to '90’️
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Peak luminance at 'High'

PS: Do you find that sometimes in dark scenes you’️re seeing a pulsating brightness? It’️s as if the darker background scenes get brighter then darker again and then brighter and darker again, fluctuating back-and-forth? It’️s very subtle but you can notice it sometimes.
Pretty much all 2018 OLEDs have this issue; unfortunate to hear it might still be a problem with 2019 panels. Having gamma at 0 will probably exacerbate the issue since near-black picture information will be brighter.

Performing a full calibration has minimized it on my A9F with gamma set to -2. You might find once the display is calibrated, gamma at -2 is more to your liking.
Yeah I’ll have to find a professional calibrator in the LA area. I’ll put the gamma back to ‘-2’ so much for rtings.com giving good advice.
Let’s see if Vincent recommends settings, shouldn’t be long now for his final review.

 

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Is it noise or grain?
I think it is more grain than noise. I just finished watching the whole 3rd season of Stranger Things in Dolby Vision in my Z9D and certainly some scenes look grainy as intended by the director. I didn’t see any kind of video artifacts, thought.
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Yeah I’ll have to find a professional calibrator in the LA area. I’ll put the gamma back to ‘-2’ so much for rtings.com giving good advice.
Let’s see if Vincent recommends settings, shouldn’t be long now for his final review.

Gamma at 0 measures a flat 2.2, which is the old standard that is still preferred by some, especially in a brighter environment.

Gamma at -2 will give you 2.4/BT1886. Better for dark rooms.

RTINGS has always targeted 2.2, but their settings seem geared more towards a dark room overall. I’ve never agreed with their 2.2 preference, personally.

Sony’s gamma seems to measure pretty flat regardless of the setting you choose. At least from my own measurements.


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Yeah I’️ll have to find a professional calibrator in the LA area. I’️ll put the gamma back to ‘-2’️ so much for rtings.com giving good advice.
Let’️s see if Vincent recommends settings, shouldn’️t be long now for his final review.

Gamma at 0 measures a flat 2.2, which is the old standard that is still preferred by some, especially in a brighter environment.

Gamma at -2 will give you 2.4/BT1886. Better for dark rooms.

RTINGS has always targeted 2.2, but their settings seem geared more towards a dark room overall. I’️ve never agreed with their 2.2 preference, personally.

Sony’️s gamma seems to measure pretty flat regardless of the setting you choose. At least from my own measurements.


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Well I’m mostly in a dark environment so perhaps I’ll play around with gamma ‘0’ some more. I’ve noticed that at gamma ‘0’ I see less picture noise from poor quality sources but noticed more fluctuating black levels so I guess it’s pick your poison as usual here.

 

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Does anyone else have a 1/8” black bar going along the entire bottom edge of screen? Is it normal? I just noticed it regardless of source. I thought it was a screen centering issue but that function is either grayed out or just the vertical adjustment is grayed out. Again, it’s only about an 1/8” - 1/4” above the bottom tv frame. Think mini CinemaScope bar.

Yes, I have noticed the same. I think that may actually be a part of the bezel, but it appears thicker on the bottom because there is a larger frame with power LED on the bottom of the screen in addition to the thin bezel.
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Yes, I have noticed the same. I think that may actually be a part of the bezel, but it appears thicker on the bottom because there is a larger frame with power LED on the bottom of the screen in addition to the thin bezel.
Thx for verifying. I figured as much. My concern was that IF part of the image is supposed to be in that area, burn in would occur, leaving a thin black bar shadow going horizontally across the screen permanently.

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Thx for verifying. I figured as much. My concern was that IF part of the image is supposed to be in that area, burn in would occur, leaving a thin black bar shadow going horizontally across the screen permanently.

I looked at the area closely after noticing it a few days after receiving the TV and I convinced myself that the approximately 1/4" bezel extends around the entire TV, but it appears to be thicker on the bottom because there is also a second border region containing the power LED below the bezel.


Take a look at the blank black area at the bottom of the screen here: https://i.rtings.com/images/reviews/...sign-large.jpg
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Gamma at 0 measures a flat 2.2, which is the old standard that is still preferred by some, especially in a brighter environment.

Gamma at -2 will give you 2.4/BT1886. Better for dark rooms.

RTINGS has always targeted 2.2, but their settings seem geared more towards a dark room overall. I’ve never agreed with their 2.2 preference, personally.

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I asked a question about gamma in the a9f thread but didn't get a reply. So -2 corresponds to gamma 2.4 and 0 is 2.2? What about the gamma settings -1, +1 and +2? For dark room, 2.4 is the general recommendation, but i find that with hdr, 2.4 has less punch than 2.2. What gamma are you using for hdr and sdr?
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I asked a question about gamma in the a9f thread but didn't get a reply. So -2 corresponds to gamma 2.4 and 0 is 2.2? What about the gamma settings -1, +1 and +2? For dark room, 2.4 is the general recommendation, but i find that with hdr, 2.4 has less punch than 2.2. What gamma are you using for hdr and sdr?

-1 would be 2.3ish while +1 would 2.1.

For SDR, I watch at -2/2.4 gamma - but this is because I only watch in a light controlled setting.

HDR I am just leaving it at -2 as well, but I am still not really sure about what’s right and what’s wrong about HDR settings. We haven’t really had very many people providing their settings just yet.


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I’m thinking about purchasing the Calman for Sony software. I tried to post on their forum but I think it’s down.

I use MobileForge via Firestick for my patterns. But that is installed in a separate input (HDMI 1). The Calman App is located within the Android apps. Will I be able to use both simultaneously? It just seems that it would be tricky to run both apps at the same time when they are connected to separate sources.


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I use MobileForge via Firestick for my patterns. But that is installed in a separate input (HDMI 1). The Calman App is located within the Android apps. Will I be able to use both simultaneously? It just seems that it would be tricky to run both apps at the same time when they are connected to separate sources.


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You have to change the TVs to compare at the top of the chart. Use the drop downs to pick the correct tv.

Thanks. I looked through the article but could not find price value on parts though. Can you please point me to where this is located. Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by Conor Shaw View Post
Maybe you just have ARC and not eARC.

With 18Gbps cables the receiver shows either Dolby Digital+ or DD+ or Dolby Surround on the panel. It's not consistent either, changing from one to another and more importantly, they remain showing with eARC set to either Off & On.

With the 48Gbps cables it shows Multi Channel 7.1

ARC is passing lossy DD+ audio, eARC is passing lossless PCM.
FYI-
The Standard HDMI Cables with Ethernet and High Speed HDMI Cables with Ethernet support eARC. Many think that eARC equals HDMI 2.1, but eARC works with HDMI 2.0 (which is the same spec as the A9G and many AVRs and soundbars that have received firmware updates tp support eARC).

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