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The A9G was overall the best I’ve had in years. Just wish the 77” was around $4k.
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No I don’t. I needed a tv stand /entertainment center more then anything. And the ones I were looking at are expensive. Salamander Designs.

The tv was a keeper. But I realized I really needed an entertainment center. My tv stand now is not good. And I need a bigger one for when I go 75” 77”. Lot been going on and I’m still waiting for some stuff to happen before I can get a Salamander cabinet.

But the A9G is reaaaaly nice.
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Question Thanks for the response ! A followup question, please.

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Watched a good amount of DTV in the few weeks we’ve had the 77A9G and I think overall it looks good (coming from a 65VT30 Plasma)
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. Watch a lot of baseball/movie channels/ wife watches a bunch of food network hgtv etc.
Thanks for the response. A followup please ! Sooo, if we are splitting hairs, I still would like to know when you are watching broadcast (say, 1080i material), "gun to head" WHICH looks BETTER, between your Plasma VT30 and the new 77A9G with that material? From my experience with 4K, the plasma handles the 1080i broadcast stuff SUPERIOR to the 4K. I am still looking for more live examples, but to my eyes, the 4K panels are rendering 1080i "softish." And I disagree with those that claim this is "subjective." We are A/V enthusiasts, and softer is pretty obvious to anyone with a slightly critical or discerning eye. Facial features seem to get slightly abused (1080i>>4K).
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Thanks for the response. A followup please ! Sooo, if we are splitting hairs, I still would like to know when you are watching broadcast (say, 1080i material), "gun to head" WHICH looks BETTER, between your Plasma VT30 and the new 77A9G with that material? From my experience with 4K, the plasma handles the 1080i broadcast stuff SUPERIOR to the 4K. I am still looking for more live examples, but to my eyes, the 4K panels are rendering 1080i "softish." And I disagree with those that claim this is "subjective." We are A/V enthusiasts, and softer is pretty obvious to anyone with a slightly critical or discerning eye. Facial features seem to get slightly abused (1080i>>4K).

I don't have a VT30, but I have a 55" Panasonic GT50, and it does look slightly better with mediocre quality 720p/1080i material than does my 65" A9G. If you are waiting for a TV that handles such material as well as your VT30, I would warn you that you will likely never buy a TV again. A Sony with the X1 Ultimate or X1 Extreme chipset will upscale such content to an acceptable level while offering the benefit of 4k/HDR. I also have a 65" X930E that handles 720p/1080i slightly better than an OLED, IMO, but there is not a dramatic difference.
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No. Never heard of them. But I need an entertainment center not just a tv stand. And one with certain features. Anyway.

The A9G is a very nice set.
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Without knowing the creator's intent, it's problematic using random material to judge accuracy. Custom with Expert 1 should be the closest to D65 out of the box.

What picture mode are you using? You might find Cinema with Expert 1 to be more to your liking; it tends to be a bit desaturated compared to other modes if I remember correctly.

The Neutral setting is anything but, really. It's quite cold.
OOTB do these tv's not target the judd vos offset instead of D65 (either the custom or cinema mode)? dont you have to calibrate to achieve the D65 whitepoint (0.3127,0.3290)? the judd is a little different than D65, perceptually i can make out some difference too. Since i havent had a calibration yet, im setting the color temp based on preference and what my eyes find better. expert1 in custom/cinema works fine but not all the time. some content where i compare and find that neutral is little more natural. When i say natural i dont mean warm, more saturated colors, if you look at facial closeups in some content, neutral just gives a more natural, unprocessed like appearance to the skin tones.

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OOTB do these tv's not target the judd vos offset instead of D65 (either the custom or cinema mode)? dont you have to calibrate to achieve the D65 whitepoint (0.3127,0.3290)? the judd is a little different than D65, perceptually i can make out some difference too. Since i havent had a calibration yet, im setting the color temp based on preference and what my eyes find better. expert1 in custom/cinema works fine but not all the time. some content where i compare and find that neutral is little more natural. When i say natural i dont mean warm, more saturated colors, if you look at facial closeups in some content, neutral just gives a more natural, unprocessed like appearance to the skin tones.
Yeah, sorry, it's been a while since I calibrated mine and forgot about Judd.

The point is that no single setting will look "correct" with all content. You can either pick the setting that's closest to the standard and accept not everything will look great because the source material is flawed, or drive yourself crazy flipping through different settings trying to make the specific content you're watching look its best.
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Thank you for the suggestion. Thank you.
I took a look and didn’t find anything I could fit or have interest in on the first few pages so I gave up. There’s also reasons I can only buy from a friend of mine that’s been in the home theater industry for a very long time. Local and financing and he’s my friend and brother in Christ.

Does anyone know if the A9G ABL can be disabled? I’ve heard it can and I’ve heard it can’t.
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Yeah, sorry, it's been a while since I calibrated mine and forgot about Judd.

The point is that no single setting will look "correct" with all content. You can either pick the setting that's closest to the standard and accept not everything will look great because the source material is flawed, or drive yourself crazy flipping through different settings trying to make the specific content you're watching look its best.
Calibrate to the standards, and it is what it is.

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What is the difference between cinema and custom mode?

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Thank you for the suggestion. Thank you.

I took a look and didn’t find anything I could fit or have interest in on the first few pages so I gave up. There’s also reasons I can only buy from a friend of mine that’s been in the home theater industry for a very long time. Local and financing and he’s my friend and brother in Christ.



Does anyone know if the A9G ABL can be disabled? I’ve heard it can and I’ve heard it can’t.


You already tried an a9g and returned it. Why are you gonna bother again? You’ve been through like 30 TVs back and forth and they all get returned. I’m actually shocked the retailers haven’t flagged you already. The carousel needs to stop at some point. With that being said, you can’t disable abl on any oled.
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What is the difference between cinema and custom mode?

I tried to calibrate cinema, but found the gamma measurements to be very erratic - so I avoided it. As do most people, apparently.

As for other differences, I’m not quite sure. At default, it appeared to look a bit flatter and brighter than Custom.


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I tried to calibrate cinema, but found the gamma measurements to be very erratic - so I avoided it. As do most people, apparently.

As for other differences, I’m not quite sure. At default, it appeared to look a bit flatter and brighter than Custom.


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I am using cinema. Im not getting the tv calibrated this year and dont have a meter to measure but perceptually for movie watching, cinema and custom presets with expert1 color temp look quite similar to me. I like how cinema works with movies. Just a few changes to motion and reality creation and altered the brightness + peak luminance settings (for hdr maximum/high, for sdr 20, off). As for being a bit brighter, in daylight outdoor scenes, the whites can look slightly brighter but it appears to be a very minor difference.

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New 77A9G here replacing 75Z9F and so far I'm liking it much better. Looking for some suggestions as to setup.


Here is what I have so far based on what I have read here:


Custom mode--Peak luminance High--Brightness 40 still tuning--Motionflow Custom--Smoothness 1-- Clearness low--Cinemotion auto


What is the preferred setting for Advanced Contrast Enhancer? Looks to be defaulted to off which seems counterintuitive.


Has anybody had success with the ambient light sensor? This sure seems like it would make sense to use for a room with a wide range of lighting scenarios, but it seems most turn it off?


On the audio side I think I like it, but it's taking some getting used to. It seems to do very well for clarity on dialogue. I gained it up a bit on the vocal. I also went in and gained up the source to near max because we were having to use a lot of the volume scale to get the sound loud enough. Not very responsive without being gained up.
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I am using cinema. Im not getting the tv calibrated this year and dont have a meter to measure but perceptually for movie watching, cinema and custom presets with expert1 color temp look quite similar to me. I like how cinema works with movies. Just a few changes to motion and reality creation and altered the brightness + peak luminance settings (for hdr maximum/high, for sdr 20, off). As for being a bit brighter, in daylight outdoor scenes, the whites can look slightly brighter but it appears to be a very minor difference.
whats the reason for using "Peak luminance - off" for sdr?

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whats the reason for using "Peak luminance - off" for sdr?
I have touched upon this in some previous posts, i said 'off' results in individual colors like blues, reds etc. having deeper saturation and looking punchier (i tested this with some anime 1080p sdr content), this is because the 'peak luminance' setting controls how much you are pushing the white subpixel with the rgb primaries, with PL off you are making minimal use of the white. And 'off' results in a constant light output with no fluctuations and least aggressive ABL in sdr. But do know that i use PL off for SDR only, for HDR it's set to high.
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I have touched upon this in some previous posts, i said 'off' results in individual colors like blues, reds etc. having deeper saturation and looking punchier (i tested this with some anime 1080p sdr content), this is because the 'peak luminance' setting controls how much you are pushing the white subpixel with the rgb primaries, with PL off you are making minimal use of the white. And 'off' results in a constant light output with no fluctuations and least aggressive ABL in sdr. But do know that i use PL off for SDR only, for HDR it's set to high.

Interesting. I might calibrate SDR with it off and compare the two sometime down the road.

Mine has always been set to Medium for SDR, but I never really compared the others. Just copied what I saw other people doing


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Interesting. I might calibrate SDR with it off and compare the two sometime down the road.

Mine has always been set to Medium for SDR, but I never really compared the others. Just copied what I saw other people doing


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You can use any combination you want but from my experience, setting the PL to High will give you the brightest HDR and DV picture on the Sony. Medium, the default works fine as well in HDR. At the last VE TV shootout I calibrated the Sony OLED and had PL set to high and it won several categories over the LG. On the other hand if you watch in a dark room, want 100- 120 nit luminance with maximum color volume and least aggressive ABL then setting it to Off in SDR works as well.
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I believe that will be the effect of turning Motionflow on but turning smoothness to minimum. Sony used to have a Motionflow preset called "True Cinema" for X1 Extreme-equipped TVs that did exactly what you describe, but reduced the options considerably for the X1 Ultimate.
Motionflow custom, smoothness minimum will make the tv do 5:5 cadence? I was assuming that motionflow set to off would achieve it but im not certain. I would like a calibrator here or someone more familiar with sony oleds to confirm this as this is important to me, i have my 4k blu ray player to output 24hz and on my htpc, before starting a movie, i set the graphics card output to 4k 24hz.

To put the question up again for a calibrator or someone else in the know..... what is the setting to achieve 5:5 cadence with 24hz content on these sony oleds, equivalent to lg oleds 'real cinema' setting?
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The only issue I see with this is that with Brightness set to MAX and PL turned off, I get a peak brightness of 102 nits. That is way too dim for me, even in a pitch black room. I calibrate to 110 nits for a dark room, which is easily achievable with PL on. This is on 10% windows.

It might work for some people in a light controlled environment, I suppose.


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The only issue I see with this is that with Brightness set to MAX and PL turned off, I get a peak brightness of 102 nits. That is way too dim for me, even in a pitch black room. I calibrate to 110 nits for a dark room, which is easily achievable with PL on. This is on 10% windows.

It might work for some people in a light controlled environment, I suppose.


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Actually the brightness setting and the light sensor have no effect once you set PL to off, lower the brightness from max to 20 with PL off, you wont see a change in light output. And according to rtings , they got higher than 110 nits with PL set off, panel variance on these oleds can lead to some differences. I dont have a meter to measure what im getting but i do have a pitch black room, and im fine with the light output, sdr content is 100-120 nits anyway.
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Is there a way to change the labels custom pro 1 and 2 to something else?
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I have touched upon this in some previous posts, i said 'off' results in individual colors like blues, reds etc. having deeper saturation and looking punchier (i tested this with some anime 1080p sdr content), this is because the 'peak luminance' setting controls how much you are pushing the white subpixel with the rgb primaries, with PL off you are making minimal use of the white. And 'off' results in a constant light output with no fluctuations and least aggressive ABL in sdr. But do know that i use PL off for SDR only, for HDR it's set to high.
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Is there a way to change the labels custom pro 1 and 2 to something else?
I asked in this thread before but got no answer, so ill try a reply to this - what is this minimum i need to do to acquire these new picture modes?
I know nothing about calibration so im not gonna mess with that, so whats the minimum?

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I asked in this thread before but got no answer, so ill try a reply to this - what is this minimum i need to do to acquire these new picture modes?
I know nothing about calibration so im not gonna mess with that, so whats the minimum?
You have to use calman to unlock those modes on these tv's, if you're not calibrating then you wont see those modes, OOTB you will only see custom.
If you are not in know about calibration much, then just use the custom or cinema preset to watch movies, change the brightness +PL setting (you can change PL to high in HDR from the default medium, for SDR set according to your comfort level), reality creation and motion can also be changed according to liking, don't fiddle with the other defaults. 2 pt. and 10 pt. color controls set by the eye will give you anything but accurate results, for 2 pt./ 10 pt. adjustments or detailed CMS tweaking, you need a meter, if you dont have it then leave the color settings on default.
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The minimum would be the Calman software, which isn’t worth it unless you are calibrating as already stated.

I don’t think the modes can be renamed to my knowledge. They are the same as Custom, except for the 20 point controls, that you can’t really access without the Bravia app connected to Calman. The TVs menu still only shows 10-points. The extra point adjustments are unseen except for in Calman.

Not really purposeful unless you have a meter and want to create two separate modes for Day and Night. I have the same settings for Custom, Custom 1, and Custom 2. They all look identical, so there isn’t really anything else special about those modes.


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Motionflow custom, smoothness minimum will make the tv do 5:5 cadence? I was assuming that motionflow set to off would achieve it but im not certain. I would like a calibrator here or someone more familiar with sony oleds to confirm this as this is important to me, i have my 4k blu ray player to output 24hz and on my htpc, before starting a movie, i set the graphics card output to 4k 24hz.

To put the question up again for a calibrator or someone else in the know..... what is the setting to achieve 5:5 cadence with 24hz content on these sony oleds, equivalent to lg oleds 'real cinema' setting?
For what it's worth, I've done a lot of comparisons between Motionflow On/Smoothness Min and Motionflow Off on my A9F, and I see no difference in motion between the two settings with both 24Hz and 60Hz material (both 1080p and 4K Blu-ray, including the motion test patterns on Spears & Munsil 2nd Edition). I think Sony is being smart with framerates that multiply evenly into 120Hz and not interpolating when Smoothness is set to Min.

Oddly, I do see a difference with streaming apps even though much of that material is supposedly native 24Hz; with Motionflow disabled, film-based streaming is noticeably juddery.
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You have to use calman to unlock those modes on these tv's, if you're not calibrating then you wont see those modes, OOTB you will only see custom.
If you are not in know about calibration much, then just use the custom or cinema preset to watch movies, change the brightness +PL setting (you can change PL to high in HDR from the default medium, for SDR set according to your comfort level), reality creation and motion can also be changed according to liking, don't fiddle with the other defaults. 2 pt. and 10 pt. color controls set by the eye will give you anything but accurate results, for 2 pt./ 10 pt. adjustments or detailed CMS tweaking, you need a meter, if you dont have it then leave the color settings on default.
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The minimum would be the Calman software, which isn’t worth it unless you are calibrating as already stated.

I don’t think the modes can be renamed to my knowledge. They are the same as Custom, except for the 20 point controls, that you can’t really access without the Bravia app connected to Calman. The TVs menu still only shows 10-points. The extra point adjustments are unseen except for in Calman.

Not really purposeful unless you have a meter and want to create two separate modes for Day and Night. I have the same settings for Custom, Custom 1, and Custom 2. They all look identical, so there isn’t really anything else special about those modes.


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Its the day and night i would like to have, instead of cinema and custom.
I worked with computers all my life so thats not a problem. Im thinking, maybe its enough to install calman app on TV and connect PC to get them?
Or do i have to have measuringequipment connected etc?

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Its the day and night i would like to have, instead of cinema and custom.

I worked with computers all my life so thats not a problem. Im thinking, maybe its enough to install calman app on TV and connect PC to get them?

Or do i have to have measuringequipment connected etc?

Yes. They would be unlocked by connecting the Bravia Calman app with the Sony Calman software. So you’d just have to spring the 150 dollars for the Calman software.

Although if so, why not just get a 250 dollar iDisplay meter and let autocal calibrate it for you?


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Yes. They would be unlocked by connecting the Bravia Calman app with the Sony Calman software. So you’d just have to spring the 150 dollars for the Calman software.

Although if so, why not just get a 250 dollar iDisplay meter and let autocal calibrate it for you?


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I wasnt aware of that pricing, rather i didnt think about that :P Makes sense to do as you say if so

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