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FWIW I think a 65 would be fine with a 10' viewing distance - I've got a 77 at about 10-11' and it is perfect.

For 4k streaming, I think around 25 MB down or maybe a bit less is the baseline
My projector screen was a 92” screen and I sit 9 ft from the screen. To me, anything smaller than 75” would look like a computer monitor. The 77A9G is my only choice!!
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My projector screen was a 92” screen and I sit 9 ft from the screen. To me, anything smaller than 75” would look like a computer monitor. The 77A9G is my only choice!!
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My projector screen was a 92” screen and I sit 9 ft from the screen. To me, anything smaller than 75” would look like a computer monitor. The 77A9G is my only choice!!
I agree, might even need a 88"

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More rubbish on YouTube claiming that vizio and hisense beat the a9g. Like you really could tell apart picture quality differences through a YouTube clip. Unreal that people fall for this misinformation. This dude seems hellbent on making the a9g look bad next to budget sets. ]
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You are right. I only brought up because of his claims that he is running them with professional calibrations.
Maybe they are calibrated, by who is the big question. We all know all calibrators are not alike. Not to mention they could have made the one product they like look better then the product they do not like which again comes back to who calibrated them this way. A well respected calibrator would never do this........
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I am considering a purchase of a new set with the Sony A9G the front runner. I currently own the Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro-111FD 50" plasma purchased 10 years ago and it still looks great. Most of my viewing is done via Directv and an occasional movie from an OPPO BDP-103. What I'd like to ask from
owners with similar sources is whether there's a definite jump in picture quality from the plasma to warrant a purchase? If I do buy one, it would be calibrated. I don't know yet if purchasing a UHD player later on is something I'd do. Thank you.
Black level will be light years ahead of your Pro-111 Kuro. Daytime viewing will be light years ahead of your Kuro. Only thing Kuro will do better is motion and probably uniformity.
AND 1080i. It just will...
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As Gerry wrote, unless you stream/watch 4k material (the only 4k material I have watched so far is Netflix streaming), there is no point upgrading your display, unless (as I did) you are also increasing the size. I went from a 55" Panny plasma to a 65" A9G and couldn't be happier. TV broadcasts on Fios look excellent (as good as but not better than my 1080p plasma), 1080p material such as BluRay discs do look better on the A9G, and of course 4k material looks incredible. So it depends on what you will be watching, and what size A9G you would get.
Thanks for your comment.

The 55" A9G is my choice at this time. The overall dimensions of the 55" are about the same as the 50" Kuro when you add the outer black borders. Going to a 65" with the seating at about 10' from the screen, might be too big.

Right now, 4K streaming could be a possibility. What would be the minimum bandwidth for that?
No ! No ! No ! Please dispel that notion. A 65” 4K is DEFINITELY NOT too close from 10’. THX specs actually say that it is almost too small.

65” 4K is about ideal from 8’ to appreciate the detail. AND even with 20/10 vision you would NEVER see any pixels.
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New A9G Owner here....anyone experience a white vertical line of the right edge while viewing DirectTV 4k channels? 4k Bluray's do not have this problem...just the DTV 4k channels. I searched here and did't see any specific mention of this....it's just annoying and guessing it is a Direct TV setting rather than anything on the A9G...any ideas?
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I hope the pricing will be lower in the next few months on Black Friday... I also wonder will the 8K pricing be much lower next year...
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Thanks for your comment.

The 55" A9G is my choice at this time. The overall dimensions of the 55" are about the same as the 50" Kuro when you add the outer black borders. Going to a 65" with the seating at about 10' from the screen, might be too big.

Right now, 4K streaming could be a possibility. What would be the minimum bandwidth for that?
I had a 65" but reason I jumped to 77" (also 10' viewing distance) was I felt I was at threshold. The 65 was fine, but my ceilings in new house are a little higher and sloped up, so it fills out my space better with bigger TV. The 65 was fine, but I do feel a better cinematic impact.
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Black level will be light years ahead of your Pro-111 Kuro. Daytime viewing will be light years ahead of your Kuro. Only thing Kuro will do better is motion and probably uniformity.
Not light years by any means. Blacks are better than Kuro but one is never wanting for deeper blacks on a Kuro. Near blacks also better on Kuro. The rest of what you say are true. Motion and uniformity is better in Kuro. Daytime viewing better on Sony.

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No ! No ! No ! Please dispel that notion. A 65” 4K is DEFINITELY NOT too close from 10’. THX specs actually say that it is almost too small.

65” 4K is about ideal from 8’ to appreciate the detail. AND even with 20/10 vision you would NEVER see any pixels.
Yep, I am 6.5 feet from my 65" and it is great. One of the reasons I did not get a 77".
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Not light years by any means. Blacks are better than Kuro but one is never wanting for deeper blacks on a Kuro. Near blacks also better on Kuro. The rest of what you say are true. Motion and uniformity is better in Kuro. Daytime viewing better on Sony.
What are you seeing with regards to motion artifacts and uniformity issues that are worse on the Sony compared to the Kuro?

From some of the comments made, without 4K content, the Sony purchase might not be a good choice at this time.

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Thanks for your comment.

The 55" A9G is my choice at this time. The overall dimensions of the 55" are about the same as the 50" Kuro when you add the outer black borders. Going to a 65" with the seating at about 10' from the screen, might be too big.

Right now, 4K streaming could be a possibility. What would be the minimum bandwidth for that?

A 65" would work well with a 10' viewing distance and definitely would not be too big. I sit 8.5' from a 65" in my gameroom and roughly 13-14' from a 65" in my family room and the 8.5' distance is definitely far superior for immersive viewing.
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Personally I think the A9G is better than the kuro in every way.
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Personally I think the A9G is better than the kuro in every way.
In what way? Can it be assumed that you owned the Kuro at one time and this is your assessment?
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In what way? Can it be assumed that you owned the Kuro at one time and this is your assessment?
I'm not the OP but to me, not being able to watch UHD with HDR is kind of a deal breaker..... get with the times
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What are you seeing with regards to motion artifacts and uniformity issues that are worse on the Sony compared to the Kuro?

From some of the comments made, without 4K content, the Sony purchase might not be a good choice at this time.
Not meaning to talk comparisons here, but the Sony’s motion is really good but not quite as natural as on my Kuro. Pans and fast motion just looks more natural on the Kuro. The Sony may stutter every now and again. Sometimes I prefer motion set to 0 and other times set to 1. Somewhere in between would be a great compromise but that’s not possible. It’s not a deal breaker though. I’m happy overall with Sony’s motion handling. I think the Kuro near black performance and uniformity are the bigger differences between the two, but having said that, I’m still happy overall with the Sony in these regards too, especially compared to other Oleds that I’ve observed.

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I am considering a purchase of a new set with the Sony A9G the front runner. I currently own the Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro-111FD 50" plasma purchased 10 years ago and it still looks great. Most of my viewing is done via Directv and an occasional movie from an OPPO BDP-103. What I'd like to ask from
owners with similar sources is whether there's a definite jump in picture quality from the plasma to warrant a purchase? If I do buy one, it would be calibrated. I don't know yet if purchasing a UHD player later on is something I'd do. Thank you.
I have a 50" Kuro (KRP-500M) that I purchased 10 years ago and 65" A9F (almost identical to the A9G) that I purchased in May.

If you're happy with your Kuro's brightness and have no plans to view any 4K content at all, you could stick with your Kuro and continue to enjoy it. However, even under that scenario, I'd still get an A9G based on my experience with the A9F.

Sony 9-series OLEDs have excellent upscaling and high-quality 1080p content, like Blu-ray discs, look shockingly good when upscaled to 4K. Perhaps your 103D would do an even better job (I seem to remember that model having 4K upscaling capability). This excellent upscaling combined with lower black levels (even lower than your Kuro) and much higher brightness has me rewatching much of my Blu-ray library and feeling like I'm seeing these titles again for the first time. I'm also very pleased with its handling of 1080i FIOS; it took some time to dial in the best settings to get there, but I now feel it's at least as good as my Kuro.

Maybe you don't plan on buying a UHD player yet. I've been comparing the Panasonic UB9000 and Pioneer LX500 side by side for the past few days, and while 4K on disc is definitely the pinnacle of A/V quality, I've been pleasantly surprised at how good 4K streaming content is on Netflix and Amazon. And once again, the quality of Sony's processing really helps in this regard. Even 1080p streaming content looks very good.

What others have already said about OLED's shortcomings are true and their impact on your experience is personal and subjective. My Kuro has better uniformity than my A9F, which has a slight blue cast on the far left side and some banding just above black. Motion on the Kuro is better, but we're talking degrees of difference, not night and day. In every other respect, the A9F is superior.

Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade to the A9G even if my viewing of 4K content would be limited to start with. I think that could change quickly for you.
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I also think 1080p movies have never looked better to me than they do on the Sony. This is where Sony's reality creation really puts in work. Film in general looks wonderfully cinematic (though I'm probably the only one here who turns on BFI for movies).
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Did you try unplugging both the A9G and DirectTV box? I had a problem with a white line on the left side of my A9F when watching 4K movies off my Panasonic UB9000. Sony CS said it was static electricity between the two units. Unplugging eliminated the line. Worth a try.

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I have a 50" Kuro (KRP-500M) that I purchased 10 years ago and 65" A9F (almost identical to the A9G) that I purchased in May.

If you're happy with your Kuro's brightness and have no plans to view any 4K content at all, you could stick with your Kuro and continue to enjoy it. However, even under that scenario, I'd still get an A9G based on my experience with the A9F.

Sony 9-series OLEDs have excellent upscaling and high-quality 1080p content, like Blu-ray discs, look shockingly good when upscaled to 4K. Perhaps your 103D would do an even better job (I seem to remember that model having 4K upscaling capability). This excellent upscaling combined with lower black levels (even lower than your Kuro) and much higher brightness has me rewatching much of my Blu-ray library and feeling like I'm seeing these titles again for the first time. I'm also very pleased with its handling of 1080i FIOS; it took some time to dial in the best settings to get there, but I now feel it's at least as good as my Kuro.

Maybe you don't plan on buying a UHD player yet. I've been comparing the Panasonic UB9000 and Pioneer LX500 side by side for the past few days, and while 4K on disc is definitely the pinnacle of A/V quality, I've been pleasantly surprised at how good 4K streaming content is on Netflix and Amazon. And once again, the quality of Sony's processing really helps in this regard. Even 1080p streaming content looks very good.

What others have already said about OLED's shortcomings are true and their impact on your experience is personal and subjective. My Kuro has better uniformity than my A9F, which has a slight blue cast on the far left side and some banding just above black. Motion on the Kuro is better, but we're talking degrees of difference, not night and day. In every other respect, the A9F is superior.

Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade to the A9G even if my viewing of 4K content would be limited to start with. I think that could change quickly for you.
thirdkind i'm also thinking of going from a Pioneer Kuro (1st gen Kuro in my case) to a Sony OLED. I would like to know what you think of other OLEDs against the Sony strictly for movie watching and your thoughts on the Dolby Vision issue on Sony OLEDs

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thirdkind i'm also thinking of going from a Pioneer Kuro (1st gen Kuro in my case) to a Sony OLED. I would like to know what you think of other OLEDs against the Sony strictly for movie watching and your thoughts on the Dolby Vision issue on Sony OLEDs
I can't speak to other OLEDs vs. Sony since I don't have any direct experience with LG or Panasonic OLEDs, sorry. Consensus seems to be that Sony's processing puts them ahead of LG for TV and movies.

There have been a few movies I've watched in DV that I felt were a bit dark on the Dolby Vision Dark setting (Braveheart comes to mind), but overall I've been satisfied with DV brightness. You can always flip it to Dolby Vision Bright mode, which is more than bright enough in my opinion.

It's no contest compared to my Kuro, though. At 10 years old and thousands of hours of use, it was quite dim. My A9F is a light cannon in comparison.
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im gonna get new microfiber and try, but im almost to afraid to try
My bulldogs have slung gritty slobber all over all of my oleds before. I get a cloth damp, press it against the area to saturate it (I usually find dried slobber), and then it wipes right off. You can then buff out haze with a dry microfiber.

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I also think 1080p movies have never looked better to me than they do on the Sony.
I fully agree. 1080p BluRay discs look incredible. So does regular HD non-4k streaming from Netflix (not sure whether they are 1080i or 1080p - when I hit the Display button, it just shows 1080 without specifying i or p). But what amazes me is how good regular HD (720p/1080i) broadcasts look on Fios! Given all the concerns people have posted about TV broadcasts on OLEDs in general, IMO they look great to my eyes. Either Fios does less compression than other cable companies, or the A9G is just that great at upscaling, at least for HD material. DVDs (480i) have been more hit and miss. I recently watched an old DVD (Out of Africa), and it looked pretty mediocre. But I also watched a newer DVD (The Shoplifters), and it look very good. I guess the newer DVDs are just mastered better nowadays, even though they are still 480i. Overall, I couldn't be happier with this display, and DV looks amazing to me, despite some of the complaints (although my display was professionally calibrated, and some of the calibrators have stated that DV looks similar as other OLEDs after calibration).
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Does anyone ever use the cleaning solutions that claim they are safe for screens (computers, phones, and TVs)? I still have some fingerprints in the corners from when I unpacked and set up my A9G on the stand and moved it to my wallunit.
I have been using iCloth and iKlear Cleaning products for the last 7 years with all my Apple computers and TVs and they work as advertised.

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My bulldogs have slung gritty slobber all over all of my oleds before. I get a cloth damp, press it against the area to saturate it (I usually find dried slobber), and then it wipes right off. You can then buff out haze with a dry microfiber.
English isnt my main language but i think i get what u mean.
Would you then use the same cloth damp to wipe it off after its goten abit moist? And then finish it off softly with microfiber?
Afraid it will leave marks using a cloth damp

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Does anyone ever use the cleaning solutions that claim they are safe for screens (computers, phones, and TVs)? I still have some fingerprints in the corners from when I unpacked and set up my A9G on the stand and moved it to my wallunit.

I would try a microfiber with water only. I wear nitrile gloves when moving or assembling TVs to avoid the fingerprints.
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