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I am a prospective buyer who's looking at both the a9g and a9f, the relative performance of the g to the f matters to me, once we have comparison videos from hdtvtest/vincent and other review sites, does that mean those should not be posted in this thread?
I am adding videos to the first post as they come out, that way it is all saved there as well so new buyers do not have to hunt for info. Professional comparisons and A9G owners that own other models are surely welcome because they are relevant.

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You know there is not much to discuss. I'll be calibrating one on Friday and will post some scans but in looking at the set again today it looks like an A9F with a regular stand, newer improved speakers and Atmos sound and it looks like the pixel booster might have been improved slightly since the PQ looks sharper and has more depth than the C9 which looked pretty much the same as the A9F. It also has the new menu system just like the 950G.
Thanks for the update John.
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Of course you’re right in pointing out the screen uniformity lotto. However I’m still hoping that these newer OLED panels are much better than the A1e’s were. The more confirmation we get on good screen uniformity here the better. I’m still traumatized over getting two bad 77” A1e’s so I’m just looking for a good sign here. With that said I just can’t see how this A9G could be any worse than my A1e was.
These A9G will be using the 9 series OLED screens so the uniformity will be just as good as the LG's......Uniformity should be a little better then the A1E's.....
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You know there is not much to discuss. I'll be calibrating one on Friday and will post some scans but in looking at the set again today it looks like an A9F with a regular stand, newer improved speakers and Atmos sound and it looks like the pixel booster might have been improved slightly since the PQ looks sharper and has more depth than the C9 which looked pretty much the same as the A9F. It also has the new menu system just like the 950G.
To tell that for sure, you'd have to be looking at the a9g and f side by side, you said your store does not have the older model any more. Or alternately you'd have to do do color volume measurements on the a9g and see how the numbers compare. I dont doubt that the a9g looks sharper compared to a lg side by side.
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To tell that for sure, you'd have to be looking at the a9g and f side by side, you said your store does not have the older model any more. Or alternately you'd have to do do color volume measurements on the a9g and see how the numbers compare. I dont doubt that the a9g looks sharper compared to a lg side by side.
You are correct. My observations were made by comparing the A9F to the C9 when they came in and then comparing that very same C9 to the A9G now that they are in. Best to compare the two side by side but this is what my eyes saw. I expect the A9F and the A9G to be very similar except for the differences I wrote about in my previous post.
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Can't wait until these get broken in and tested, so we can see some of your charts. I don't expect much, I mean this will be my 3rd Sony OLED and they have all been great for me.
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Sony A9G (AG9) received
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FlatpanelsHD has received the Sony A9G (AG9), which is the new flagship OLED TV for 2019. It features 4K, Android TV, and Dolby Atmos. What do you want to know?
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1557812584

Hopefully we will see something soon.

I just spoke with someone at the Video And Audio Center, i’m told they will have the 55” and 65” A9G out on display for all to view by the end of the week.

 

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These A9G will be using the 9 series OLED screens so the uniformity will be just as good as the LG's......Uniformity should be a little better then the A1E's.....
Thanks for that information but when you say “Uniformity should be a little better then the A1E” it still has me a lot worried.

 

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My A9G arrived today. I’m coming off of a UMR (Jeff Meier) calibrated Pioneer Kuro 60”Elite. I had this tv for over 10 years and it continues to amaze me to this day. It looks as good as it did since first calibration. It’s had 3 calibrations over the years.

Outside of ultimate blacks and resolution, I like what I see better on the Kuro (color accuracy, motion, near blacks)but that’s not a fair comparison since the Kuro has a fantastic calibration and the A9G doesn’t. I can see this tv has great potential once dialed in correctly. I’m going to have UMR do his thing on this during his next tour to S. Florida. In the meantime, I will calibrate it with my EyeOnePro and report back here after maybe 70-80 hrs are logged on it.
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You know there is not much to discuss. I'll be calibrating one on Friday and will post some scans but in looking at the set again today it looks like an A9F with a regular stand, newer improved speakers and Atmos sound and it looks like the pixel booster might have been improved slightly since the PQ looks sharper and has more depth than the C9 which looked pretty much the same as the A9F. It also has the new menu system just like the 950G.

The panel looks identical to the C9 only with a nice black frame and I know Sony has their own panel filter. That's pretty much it for now. Let's see what Vincent reports.
Really looking forward to your calibration report, and if indeed the Pixel Contrast Booster has been improved that would be awesome news.
You said that the “PQ looks sharper and has more depth that the C9 which looked pretty much the same as the A9F.” When you calibrate the A9G on Friday would you be able to verify this with instrument readings? Or would this just be a positive visual observation without instrumentation?
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My A9G arrived today. I’m coming off of a UMR (Jeff Meier)Calibrated Pioneer Kuro 60”Elite.
Outside of ultimate blacks and resolution, I like what I see better on the Kuro (color accuracy, motion, near blacks)but that’s not a fair comparison since the Kuro has a fantastic calibration and the A9G doesn’t. I can see this tv has great potential once dialed in correctly. I’m going to have UMR do his thing on this during his next tour to S. Florida. In the meantime, I will calibrate it with my EyeOnePro and report back here after maybe 70-80 hrs are logged on it.
Nice setup!
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Thanks for the post. Will be really interested in your opinions, since I own a Kuro 60 Elite too and have held off upgrading, as what you posted about the Kuro, are my thoughts too. A9G is tempting and appreciate your opinions coming from a Kuro!

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My A9G arrived today. I’m coming off of a UMR (Jeff Meier) calibrated Pioneer Kuro 60”Elite. I had this tv for over 10 years and it continues to amaze me to this day. It looks as good as it did since first calibration. It’s had 3 calibrations over the years.

Outside of ultimate blacks and resolution, I like what I see better on the Kuro (color accuracy, motion, near blacks)but that’s not a fair comparison since the Kuro has a fantastic calibration and the A9G doesn’t. I can see this tv has great potential once dialed in correctly. I’m going to have UMR do his thing on this during his next tour to S. Florida. In the meantime, I will calibrate it with my EyeOnePro and report back here after maybe 70-80 hrs are logged on it.
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Curious about the motion. I've found Sonys OLED Motionflow (using Custom 3/Low) the best Ive ever seen. Granted I only had Panny plasmas mostly, and then a couple of LG's OLEDs. Maybe you do not use Motionflow?

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My A9G arrived today. I’m coming off of a UMR (Jeff Meier) calibrated Pioneer Kuro 60”Elite. I had this tv for over 10 years and it continues to amaze me to this day. It looks as good as it did since first calibration. It’s had 3 calibrations over the years.

Outside of ultimate blacks and resolution, I like what I see better on the Kuro (color accuracy, motion, near blacks)but that’s not a fair comparison since the Kuro has a fantastic calibration and the A9G doesn’t. I can see this tv has great potential once dialed in correctly. I’m going to have UMR do his thing on this during his next tour to S. Florida. In the meantime, I will calibrate it with my EyeOnePro and report back here after maybe 70-80 hrs are logged on it.
Congratulations! You have a very beautiful setup. Is that a 65”?
Looking forward to your further impressions of the A9G after you’ve had a chance to view some movies on it. Also after you get a chance to dial in some settings and or after calibration.
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Curious about the motion. I've found Sonys OLED Motionflow (using Custom 3/Low) the best Ive ever seen. Granted I only had Panny plasmas mostly, and then a couple of LG's OLEDs. Maybe you do not use Motionflow?

HDR will be a whole nother ball game for you.
If the A9G’s motion handling is anything like my A1E was, I thought these settings looked good.

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How many options are there for clearness (BFI) on the A9G and other Sony OLEDs? There are quite a few variations for Sony LCDs, but I think LG OLEDs only have a single on/off option for BFI.
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If the A9G’s motion handling is anything like my A1E was, I thought these settings looked good.

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How many options are there for clearness (BFI) on the A9G and other Sony OLEDs? There are quite a few variations for Sony LCDs, but I think LG OLEDs only have a single on/off option for BFI.
That’s a good question I don’t know? On the A1E I think their was 2? I no longer have the A1E or I’d check for you.

 

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My A9G arrived today. I’m coming off of a UMR (Jeff Meier) calibrated Pioneer Kuro 60”Elite. I had this tv for over 10 years and it continues to amaze me to this day. It looks as good as it did since first calibration. It’s had 3 calibrations over the years.

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CONGRATS!! Also moving up from a 60 Kuro, with the exception of a couple bad pixels she's still kicking. What makes me wonder is all the talk about HDMI 2~ whatever yet the old plasma still kicks out a beautiful picture that hangs even with newer sets.
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How many options are there for clearness (BFI) on the A9G and other Sony OLEDs? There are quite a few variations for Sony LCDs, but I think LG OLEDs only have a single on/off option for BFI.
BFI on oleds still works at 60hz so i wouldnt use it because of the flicker. On sony's higher end lcd's you get 120hz bfi, so engaging the clearness slider to a low setting is not flickery (because of 120hz bfi), just has a minimal brightness hit. On oleds, i think the clearness (BFI) option has low, high settings (apart from off), but regardless BFI operates at 60hz whatever the setting. Since many people are suspectible to 60hz flicker, for them clearness kept to off is the way to go.
Just use the other motionflow settings.
Smoothness is MCFI. Setting it to 3 works well without introducing any noticeable SOE.
Cine Motion is Film mode, setting to auto works fine (auto would perform reverse telecine depending on content, otherwise do nothing)

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BFI on oleds still works at 60hz so i wouldnt use it because of the flicker. On sony's higher end lcd's you get 120hz bfi, so engaging the clearness slider to a low setting is not flickery (because of 120hz bfi), just has a minimal brightness hit. On oleds, i think the clearness (BFI) option has low, high settings (apart from off), but regardless BFI operates at 60hz whatever the setting. Since many people are suspectible to 60hz flicker, for them clearness kept to off is the way to go.
Just use the other motionflow settings.
Smoothness is MCFI. Setting it to 3 works well without introducing any noticeable SOE.
Cine Motion is Film mode, setting to auto works fine (auto would perform reverse telecine depending on content, otherwise do nothing)

I'm familiar with the Sony motion settings, but wasn't sure whether OLED BFI was still in the limited state of being limited to 60 Hz. I know that LG advertised 120 Hz BFI at CES, but was not able to deliver it.
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Thanks for that information but when you say “Uniformity should be a little better then the A1E” it still has me a lot worried.
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How is your game system connected to the LG? Through the AVR or direct? If through the AVR then I would love to know how LG is changing settings when you use the game system. If direct, then it is perfectly simply since pretty much all TVs (including Sony) have settings per HDMI input. So if you have the game system on its own HDMI port on the TV, then that port can always be set to game mode and switching to that input will automatically be in game mode. It is when devices are connected through an AVR you get a problem because the TV doesn't actually have a way to know which device it is currently receiving from (not counting ALLM if everything in the chain supports that).

As for ARC, you don't loose the UI anymore than with an optical cable. If the video isn't going through the AVR then you don't see the UI of the AVR obviously. That's true whether you it is an external HDMI device directly connected to the AVR or an app on the TV. You want to see the UI? Switch to the AVR input on the TV and you have it. I can't imagine why I would want to see the AVR's UI the rest of the time. It's there if I need to adjust a setting, but other than that, I switch inputs and I change the volume. No UI needed for that.
Consoles to AVR. The LG remembers the way it was for HDR. So it goes into game mode every time I play an HDR game and back to expert dark when I’m done playing.

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Folks, let me tell you that the 2019 panels are not much better with screen uniformity than 2018 best I can tell so far. If you purchase an OLED you still need to accept the fact that you will see some magenta tinting with content with certain colors near the edges if you start looking for it but you should be able to get a set with minimal banding which shouldn't be plainly visible with content. This is just the way OLED is right now. Banding is minimal enough that it will dissipate as you put time on the TV and the panel's pixels randomize. So far I've seen this on the Sony's and the LG's since they use the same panel and you can open and look at 10 sets, for example, and there is no "hidden" one that's perfect. The only observation is the 55's have less issues than the 65's but that's always been the case over the years.

At the end of the day, LCDs also have their own uniformity issues but with OLED you get an outstanding picture with near perfect blacks which will overshadow any technological screen uniformity issues. From my experience, once you understand this, you begin to focus on the center of the screen as you watch TV and you brain tends to compensate for these anomalies.

I expect screen uniformity to be an issue until LG Display makes more significant advancements in their panel technology.

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Are you running dual svs sledges, and have you ever listened to the opening of live. Die. Repeat. (edge of tomorrow) on them, i bet it would knock your speakers off the wall. It's right in the opening credits, if you haven't. We have a sledge in my store and I had no idea that note was there until we put it on the sledge.
These are the Svs 16-41 from around 2012 if I recall. 525w each. Had to get 2 to pressurize the cubic foot space if I wanted to listen to movies at Dolby levels. I actually have a 3rd sub (Outlaw) in the rear to fill in a minor 70hz null in the room. I will check out that scene in the movie. Thx.

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Folks, let me tell you that the 2019 panels are not much better with screen uniformity than 2018 best I can tell so far. If you purchase an OLED you still need to accept the fact that you will see some magenta tinting with content with certain colors near the edges if you start looking for it but you should be able to get a set with minimal banding which shouldn't be plainly visible with content. This is just the way OLED is right now. Banding is minimal enough that it will dissipate as you put time on the TV and the panel's pixels randomize. So far I've seen this on the Sony's and the LG's since they use the same panel and you can open and look at 10 sets, for example, and there is no "hidden" one that's perfect. The only observation is the 55's have less issues than the 65's but that's always been the case over the years.

At the end of the day, LCDs also have their own uniformity issues but with OLED you get an outstanding picture with near perfect blacks which will overshadow any technological screen uniformity issues. From my experience, once you understand this, you begin to focus on the center of the screen as you watch TV and you brain tends to compensate for these anomalies.

I expect screen uniformity to be an issue until LG Display makes more significant advancements in their panel technology.
And yet, I had no such issue with my Kuro Plasma 🤦. What you describe is true but rather minor on my set and only noticeable at certain brightness level and with lighter color tones to include whites. I’m pretty anal with this but it’s not bothering me enough to be a deal breaker with 2 days into viewing so far. I only noticed because I look for these things. (Sony SXRD TVs!). KURO was perfect in this regard with minimal dse also.
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And yet, I had no such issue with my Kuro Plasma 🤦. What you describe is true but rather minor on my set and only noticeable at certain brightness level and with lighter color tones to include whites. I’m pretty anal with this but it’s not bothering me enough to be a deal breaker with 2 days into viewing so far. I only noticed because I look for these things. (Sony SXRD TVs!). KURO was perfect in this regard with minimal dse also.

Did you ever have a Panasonic plasma? My GT50 has a slight green tint visible in full-field whites (at least not a green blob like my old SXRD) and, though I would prefer clean whites, I could tolerate a magenta tint that is no worse than the green plasma tint.
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Did you ever have a Panasonic plasma? My GT50 has a slight green tint visible in full-field. whites (at least not a green blob like my old SXRD) and, though I would prefer clean whites, I could tolerate a magenta tint that is no worse than the green plasma tint.
I have not seen the green tint on Panasonic plasmas but I’ve only looked closely at 3 of them, 2 of which were already calibrated and the third one that I calibrated. It may have had a green tinge prior to calibration though, but I can’t recall. It’s been several years

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Consoles to AVR. The LG remembers the way it was for HDR. So it goes into game mode every time I play an HDR game and back to expert dark when I’m done playing.

I like to see the vol on screen when adjusting vol.
So if anything else switches to HDR mode does that also run in game mode or do you not have any other devices that use HDR yet?

I still don't see how the LG could do the right thing in this setup (not saying it doesn't, I just don't see how it could unless I am missing something).

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Jref , when you calibrate, can you check that the OOTB whitepoint on the a9g is still the judd modified WP rather than D65? The a9f had the judd WP because sony tunes their master series panels to resemble their BVM X300 oled monitor, could you check if that continues to remain the case with the a9g?
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