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I found I check out Netflix playing any video and see the tech info, I see only 15.26 Mbps even with 4k hdr on Netflix. Is it just for me or my connection or everybody gets the same rate? Why are the video bitrates on Netflix so low when they charge so much?

15.26 Mbps is the maximum bit rate available on Netflix. This doesn't bother me nearly as much as needing to wade through piles of garbage to find a rare watchable show on Netflix these days.
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Finally got my 65" A9G set up and started watching Netflix 4k shows. Another Life in DV looks amazing! There's a scene with Katee Sackhoff floating in space in her space suit, with no light but the stars and the light in her helmet. Another scene where a guy in a hazmat suit enters an alien spacecraft and it's pitch black inside. Again, the only light is from the one in the helmet. Everything not illuminated by that light is absolute black. I was stunned, and my last TV was a Samsung F8500 plasma. I do wish I would have gotten the 77", but there's no way I could justify double the price for an extra 12". Maybe in 5 years.

BTW, excellent job with the calibration, jrref!
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Got everything swapped around to a streaming-only setup, and I didn't realize how Movies Anywhere worked across my Itunes and Vudu accounts, that's nice. Anyways, I fired up Crimes of Grindelwald on the ATV4K in DV and Atmos, looks GREAT. I used DV Dark and set Automatic Contrast Enhancer to Low. I have a router with a display on the front, it seems the ATV4K will run about 5mpbs, then burst to 80mbps, and then back to 5. This cycle continues while watching the movie. I have the ATV4K hardwired to the router, and it tests out at 600mbps down which is more than enough.

I have Brightburn and the new Godzilla in the queue, will be curious to watch an entire movie streamed in DV on the A9G, but just a quick view it looked really nice.
Are you buying or renting these? Since Netflix and Redbox don't rent UHD Bluray, I'm looking for a good streaming rental service.
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15.26 Mbps is the maximum bit rate available on Netflix. This doesn't bother me nearly as much as needing to wade through piles of garbage to find a rare watchable show on Netflix these days.
Shame if that's what it is, it's not simply about 4k hdr, video bitrates are very important, I'm guessing the Amazon prime I have now abandoned must be lower. Here is a list of what many discs do, discs with FEL and MEL enhancement layers. And the recent Shazam on disc which the list doesn't include has some scenes that climb around 90 mbps


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Are you buying or renting these? Since Netflix and Redbox don't rent UHD Bluray, I'm looking for a good streaming rental service.
Redbox does rent UHD Blu-ray in select locations (here in Southern California for one) - the one at my local Walmart has 7 or 8 when I checked the other day

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Finally got my 65" A9G set up and started watching Netflix 4k shows. Another Life in DV looks amazing! There's a scene with Katee Sackhoff floating in space in her space suit, with no light but the stars and the light in her helmet. Another scene where a guy in a hazmat suit enters an alien spacecraft and it's pitch black inside. Again, the only light is from the one in the helmet. Everything not illuminated by that light is absolute black. I was stunned, and my last TV was a Samsung F8500 plasma. I do wish I would have gotten the 77", but there's no way I could justify double the price for an extra 12". Maybe in 5 years.

BTW, excellent job with the calibration, jrref!
Also coming from 64" F8500 the 77" is beyond words so is the 65" as u can see

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Redbox does rent UHD Blu-ray in select locations (here in Southern California for one) - the one at my local Walmart has 7 or 8 when I checked the other day
Unfortunately I don't live in one of their test markets.
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Also coming from 64" F8500 the 77" is beyond words so is the 65" as u can see

wanna share timestamps of what youre describing?
Episode 6, 19:40. There are a few others a couple of minutes either side of that. FYI - there are a few Fbombs in there, if you're concerned about such things.


Episode 7, 23:40
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Also coming from 64" F8500 [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] the 77" is beyond words [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif[/IMG] so is the 65" as u can see [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

wanna share timestamps of what youre describing?
Episode 6, 19:40. There are a few others a couple of minutes either side of that. FYI - there are a few Fbombs in there, if you're concerned about such things. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]


Episode 7, 23:40
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If I am happy with it, I'll prob buy as many off itunes as I can, especially Movies Anywhere movies. You can't buy an 4K Disney off itunes, but you can want 4K disney in the vudu app on the ATV.

15.25 is Netflix's top speed, and it looks very good IMO. If Itunes is really going in the 25 range max, no wonder it looks so good. Vudu is 15 as well.
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Most Calibrators are self taught, you happy with your work?
yes I tested on several Blurays HDR and SDR and colors are more pleasant to me. Less saturation in the colors.
When I switch between a calibrated and uncalibrated mode, the image is less "punchy". I see more details in the colors.
However, I do not master the white point specific to OLED WRGB. I left as is in D65. On calman, I did not dare to put a modified point ... because I do not have the professional tools.
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yes I tested on several Blurays HDR and SDR and colors are more pleasant to me. Less saturation in the colors.
When I switch between a calibrated and uncalibrated mode, the image is less "punchy". I see more details in the colors.
However, I do not master the white point specific to OLED WRGB. a I left as is in D65. On calman, I did not dare to put a modified point ... because I do not have the professional tools.
Do I miss something here, last I checked these TV's ship factory calibrated with the judd point which is matched to sony's oled professional monitor and looks a little measurably and perceptually from the standard D65 x=0.312, y=0.329 that's commonly used on flat screen displays. So your TV shipped with D65 or are you talking of white point calibration within the calman software?
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What is a fbomb 😛
what ryan reynolds repeatedly throws in deadpool. If you're a family guy with kids, you may want to exercise some caution. If you watch alone like me, there's nothing to be concerned about fbombs or random flashing in altered carbon, heck even some hdr porn if it were available, one thing missing from the hdr catalogue right now that I would like.
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When VE shootout took place I bet you weren't so trigger happy to post the results in a forum of the competition of the tv you own.

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Why are you being antagonist? I actually attended the the VE shootout. You are being incredibly sensitive.


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Why are you being antagonist? I actually attended the the VE shootout. You are being incredibly sensitive.


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Not being sensitive at all. But I am wondering if Sony won, would you be posting anything over here regarding that? Anyways, congrats to LG...but I thought we had shootout threads for these kinds of measuring contests.

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Not being sensitive at all. But I am wondering if Sony won, would you be posting anything over here regarding that? Anyways, congrats to LG...but I thought we had shootout threads for these kinds of measuring contests.

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While I attended the VE shoot I posted details of the event in the C9 and A9G thread. For example, details how the A9G matched the BVM-300 better than the C9. In all my years here Ive never taken a brand's side or take any of this personally. I just state facts. You can choose to interpret whatever you want.

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While I attended the VE shoot I posted details of the event in the C9 and A9G thread. For example, details how the A9G matched the BVM-300 better than the C9. In all my years here Ive never taken a brand's side or take any of this personally. I just state facts. You can choose to interpret whatever you want.
Yeah I agree and I'm just stating opinion that this Sony vs LG stuff should remain in the dedicated shootout or versus threads.

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Yeah I agree and I'm just stating opinion that this Sony vs LG stuff should remain in the dedicated shootout or versus threads.

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Agreed, no malice intent. Honestly, I just noticed the UK shootout thread.


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Do I miss something here, last I checked these TV's ship factory calibrated with the judd point which is matched to sony's oled professional monitor and looks a little measurably and perceptually from the standard D65 x=0.312, y=0.329 that's commonly used on flat screen displays. So your TV shipped with D65 or are you talking of white point calibration within the calman software?
Hi Gerry,

I was talking about the white dot D65 on the software Calman. I hesitated to put the "oled judd modified" but it seems that it is not good .....

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Actually, posting in a thread you are not an owner of is being an antagonist, you wanted a reply, your post trends tell us that. You know how many comparisons I posted this year in an LG thread? None. Why? Don't care, I bought a Sony.

BTW, it is a total shocker that the US show picks a Sony, and the UK show picks an LG (not).
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Actually, posting in a thread you are not an owner of is being an antagonist, you wanted a reply, your post trends tell us that. You know how many comparisons I posted this year in an LG thread? None. Why? Don't care, I bought a Sony.



BTW, it is a total shocker that the US show picks a Sony, and the UK show picks an LG (not).


I apologized for posting here and not the shootout thread as stated above. I have never said anything negative against the A9G actually the opposite. You are twisting this, enough is enough.



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BTW, it is a total shocker that the US show picks a Sony, and the UK show picks an LG (not).
It certainly makes me wonder how the shoot-out was performed, who actually did the voting, and how the displays were calibrated. Whereas the US shoot-out showed how close the results were in several categories, the UK scores are still a mystery (if very close, then maybe not so different than the US results after all). But it did sound like the LG benefited greatly in the overall score from a large margin in the gaming category due to their HDMI 2.1 capability. Since I do no gaming and most of my viewing is actually SDR (720p/1080i TV broadcasts, including HBO, 1080p BluRays, and Netflix SDR movie streams), whereas my 4k viewing (solely from 4k Netflix streaming) is far and away less frequent, I am still glad that I went with the A9G due to its superior upscaling. IMO, 1080p discs look almost 4k, and 1080i looks almost 1080p. Even newer 480i DVDs look very good on the Sony (I am currently watching Homeland Season 7 on DVD from Netflix). And I believe SDR material was not included in the UK shoot-out, which would have been a big win for Sony, at least over the LG).
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They have been this way awhile...

Here are the simple facts:
  • LG, Panny and Sony make great OLEDs, pick your poison
  • I moved to LG from Sony because motion bothers me, and several people I trust on here that have legit credentials offer recommendations that I listen to. Plus LG makes odd choices at times.
  • I can't see why anyone who has access to Panasonic would buy anything else? I sure wouldn't and I love my Sonys lol. So just enjoy it.

Why someone that own's one brand, would continue to post in another brands area, I have no idea... I have a 2018 accord sport with a tuner, racing wheels and an intake. When I see a good looking Maxima riding down the road, I don't care, we both have nice, fast, cars...

We are in a time I personally did not think we would be in, after plasma died. We have OLED's growing in popularity, zero black, and high light output, plus UHD/HDR/Bluray is outstanding. Most of these brands come from factory looking good, hell I just got a 55" 6 series TCL and they are mostly accurate OOTB. Things are great in the display realm, buy a display and go enjoy life and stop the brand defense.

How many people does one personally know that cannot afford a 65" LG or Sony OLED? I know plenty. And yet people on AVS go back and forth about what is better.
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Just one comment on the shootout since this is off topic but Vincent does an excellent job so I don't want to diminish anything they are doing but as another point of view, one thing we found at the VE Shootout is the professional judges were looking to find the set that reproduced the post production work the best, meaning the most accurate picture. The enthusiast and consumers mostly like slightly different characteristics, brighter, maybe more saturated PQ. There is no right or wrong since consumers are the people buying the sets but it's an interesting fact that was discovered. Many pro calibrators have discussed that the LG generally displays what consumers seem to like better, especially with HDR, which is what they should be doing to sell sets but maybe this is why the Panasonic which is supposed to have the best reference PQ didn't win against the LG. I feel at this point since the OLEDs are so close you really need the pros and the audience to judge.

All sets are excellent and we are splitting hairs but just an interesting factoid to help put things into perspective.

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Hence all the overdriving comments you hear. Knowing Panny and Sony, I have a feeling there is a reason why they don't, but it's moot. I watched the new Godzilla last night, and other than the crazy LFE, the highlights in blue from Godzilla and yellow from Ghidorah were fantastic. Anyone with good subs though, hang on...
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They have been this way awhile...

Here are the simple facts:
  • LG, Panny and Sony make great OLEDs, pick your poison
  • I moved to LG from Sony because motion bothers me, and several people I trust on here that have legit credentials offer recommendations that I listen to. Plus LG makes odd choices at times.
  • I can't see why anyone who has access to Panasonic would buy anything else? I sure wouldn't and I love my Sonys lol. So just enjoy it.

Why someone that own's one brand, would continue to post in another brands area, I have no idea... I have a 2018 accord sport with a tuner, racing wheels and an intake. When I see a good looking Maxima riding down the road, I don't care, we both have nice, fast, cars...

We are in a time I personally did not think we would be in, after plasma died. We have OLED's growing in popularity, zero black, and high light output, plus UHD/HDR/Bluray is outstanding. Most of these brands come from factory looking good, hell I just got a 55" 6 series TCL and they are mostly accurate OOTB. Things are great in the display realm, buy a display and go enjoy life and stop the brand defense.

How many people does one personally know that cannot afford a 65" LG or Sony OLED? I know plenty. And yet people on AVS go back and forth about what is better.
If motion bothers you, you won't find Panasonic as good as Sony, just like you don't find LG as good as Sony. I like quite a few aspects of Panasonic oled, it's available in my country, I'm exploring ways to get a gz2000 for its hdr performance , but I'm not oblivious to any brands shortcomings.
This is no longer a case of motion being the best on Panasonic as it was in the years of impulse based plasma.these oleds are sample and hold, and Sony has the upper hand here on motion overall. Microstuter and frame skipping has been a known issue on previous years Panasonic oleds ,this year their new processor has improved it a lot but Sony's motionflow with smoothness 1 still gives you the most balanced motion overall. I'm not uber critical to motion smoothness , so I could live with pana.motion for its hdr performance. Sdr is rather close between Sony and pana.



Lg has some processing disadvantages but its advantage is that it's a more versatile oled compared to other brands, it's good for all types of usage.


There is still no oled of any brand that gets 'every' aspect right in a single package.



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To answer the poster above you, BillP, they calibrated all the TV's to the same white point and had the bvm x300 as the reference monitor, they covered the bezels and removed stands so it could be a blind scoring.


They had 5 categories and the overall best TV category was arrived at by adding the scores of the individual categories. a+b+c+d+e=f , where f was the best overall TV .So it is very obvious that gaming and HDMI 2.1 had an impact on calling out which is the best overall TV , and LG had an advantage there.


For my usage, which is movie watching in a dark room and nothing else, the relevant category to me was best home theatre TV, which the Panasonic gz2000 won. Best overall TV was declared the LG c9.


Something the UK event did differently compared to last year's where pana also won best overall TV and home theatre, was that this year the public did the scoring , about 38 members from the public. The professionals were involved in setting up and calibrating the TV's (Tyler of portrait displays was present there too), but the scoring part was left for the public members to decide. This had been known for a while, Vincent announced in one of his YouTube videos a while ago that public would do the scoring (which I found a bit odd). Of.course the u.s. event had professionals do the scoring. Imo, a professional has an eye better tuned to pick up reference images than the public, so that would be my preference. But those were the rules , and cannot deny that LG won the best overall because the scoring rules weren't what we would've preferred to be.
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