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Excellent posts above. Of course, the various shoot-outs are just one piece of information, to be used along with other information (such as professional reviews, calibrators' comments, and, probably most importantly, your own main use of the display. Since I don't game, the Panny is not available in the US, and most of my viewing is SDR, what is best for me is not necessarily the winner of any specific shoot-out (or what is best for someone else).
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[*]I can't see why anyone who has access to Panasonic would buy anything else? I sure wouldn't and I love my Sonys lol. So just enjoy it.[/LIST]

I can see an argument against the GZ2000 just because of the price but GZ950 would seem like the no brainer assuming you don't need above 65" and are not a gamer.

With that said you hear outliers once in a while. Once guy in this thread claims his A9F was better than the GZ2000 he purchased and sent it back(he said they were extremely close though). https://www.avforums.com/threads/hdt...2244249/page-3
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What they called "Main Categories" are for some, like me, on secondary order as what I looking on an OLED is good motion, uniformity and video processing and in those three areas the A9G did better than the C9. HDR performance and color accuracy are secondary to me as they can be tailored to taste with all the options the Sony provide. Also, I don't game at all, in fact I don't own a single game console so HDMI 2.1 and its benefits are irrelevant to me.
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Are you buying or renting these? Since Netflix and Redbox don't rent UHD Bluray, I'm looking for a good streaming rental service.
Redbox does at some locations. https://www.redbox.com/4k
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Redbox does at some locations. https://www.redbox.com/4k
Unfortunately, not at the Redbox sites near me. According to their website, 4k discs are only available at select places: Austin, Colorado Springs, Des Moines, Detroit, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami, Minneapolis, New York City, Reno, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Spokane and Portland, Oregon.
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BTW, it is a total shocker that the US show picks a Sony, and the UK show picks an LG (not).
It certainly makes me wonder how the shoot-out was performed, who actually did the voting, and how the displays were calibrated. Whereas the US shoot-out showed how close the results were in several categories, the UK scores are still a mystery (if very close, then maybe not so different than the US results after all). But it did sound like the LG benefited greatly in the overall score from a large margin in the gaming category due to their HDMI 2.1 capability. Since I do no gaming and most of my viewing is actually SDR (720p/1080i TV broadcasts, including HBO, 1080p BluRays, and Netflix SDR movie streams), whereas my 4k viewing (solely from 4k Netflix streaming) is far and away less frequent, I am still glad that I went with the A9G due to its superior upscaling. IMO, 1080p discs look almost 4k, and 1080i looks almost 1080p. Even newer 480i DVDs look very good on the Sony (I am currently watching Homeland Season 7 on DVD from Netflix). And I believe SDR material was not included in the UK shoot-out, which would have been a big win for Sony, at least over the LG).
Bill, I always enjoy your entries on here ! You are certainly one of the main guys that has encouraged me to eventually “pulling the lever” on getting a 65” A9G, in big part, because we are similar in our viewing behavior (a significant % of time with 720p/1080i broadcast, e,g. for me, college football, NFL, hockey, and news). I mean, I would LOVE to have that part have more available in 4K, but alas...
You stated that YOUR 1080i looks almost 1080p. Fantastic!, as 1080p certainly looks “plenty good enough for me.” Please remind me of what you are using as a source for your 1080i material (e.g. Charter cable, or DIRECTV, or DISH, or a streaming provider).
As bad as some claim Charter cable to be, on my 10 year-old Panny plasma (VT20) 50”, I have NOT seen significant difference in streaming services picture quality on it. Of course, it is only 50”.
Enjoying your reports of your A9G. Thanks
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Actually, posting in a thread you are not an owner of is being an antagonist, you wanted a reply, your post trends tell us that. You know how many comparisons I posted this year in an LG thread? None. Why? Don't care, I bought a Sony.



BTW, it is a total shocker that the US show picks a Sony, and the UK show picks an LG (not).


Exactly. Not to mention that the UK shootout results are completely irrelevant for the US market since the winner of a few very key categories isn’t even available for sale in the US. How do we who would’ve won those categories if it took place in the US and the panny wasn’t a contestant?
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You stated that YOUR 1080i looks almost 1080p. Fantastic!, as 1080p certainly looks “plenty good enough for me.” Please remind me of what you are using as a source for your 1080i material (e.g. Charter cable, or DIRECTV, or DISH, or a streaming provider).

I would be more concerned about burn-in rather than upscaling quality based on your viewing habits. I am not sure I would use my OLED as a primarily cable watching device (especially news), as I have a 65" LCD in the family room for that purpose.
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Also keep in mind, the resolution is not always what makes UHD special, unless it's 2160p streaming. HDR is what pushes 2160p away from 1080p and HDR.

2160p netflix and amazon, HDR or not, look better than their counterparts in 1080p and its not close. But resolution aside, HDR smokes SDR.
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You stated that YOUR 1080i looks almost 1080p. Fantastic!, as 1080p certainly looks “plenty good enough for me.” Please remind me of what you are using as a source for your 1080i material (e.g. Charter cable, or DIRECTV, or DISH, or a streaming provider).


I would be more concerned about burn-in rather than upscaling quality based on your viewing habits. I am not sure I would use my OLED as a primarily cable watching device (especially news), as I have a 65" LCD in the family room for that purpose.
Ahhh, well, thanks. I probably watch news one hour a night, five days a week, and football (obviously fall only) for 3 hours on Saturday and 3 hours on Sunday). Otherwise, 2K Blu-ray OR (hopefully) 4K UHD Blu-ray movies/4K streaming alternative. Sooo, would you still send me to LCD Land, or does this look still too ticker/logo rich ? Thanks for the input.
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Ahhh, well, thanks. I probably watch news one hour a night, five days a week, and football (obviously fall only) for 3 hours on Saturday and 3 hours on Sunday). Otherwise, 2K Blu-ray OR (hopefully) 4K UHD Blu-ray movies/4K streaming alternative. Sooo, would you still send me to LCD Land, or does this look still too ticker/logo rich ? Thanks for the input.

Some may disagree with me, but I would be concerned about watching five hours of news with the same logos and tickers per week. Football would concern me less, particularly if games are on different channels.
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I have absolutely no concern about those. We watch football from start to finish on weekends, did the same with plasma. Had IR on a plasma that went away (ESPN bottom rectangle), never see anything on an OLED. Worrying about IR and scaling on a Sony OLED is like worrying about changing oil every 3k miles on a new car with full synthetic in it.
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Based on their aging mechanisms, plasma was much more likely to exhibit IR than OLED (current OLEDs have approximately zero IR) but the difference in burn-in resistance is far more debatable. I would not subject my OLED to five hours per week of bright red CNN, Fox News, or similar logos.

How many hours do you have on your OLEDs that you use for sports?


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My A1E saw 6-7 weekends a year with 9 hours on Saturday, and almost as many on Sunday (Football). A8F saw the same. People should study the Rtings burn study. 1 hour a night of news is FUD, you could do that on plasma.

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I just looked, it was like 8 weeks of one type of content (CNN) running before any uniformity shows up. Thats 1120 hours (20 hours/day)constant if I am not mistaken. Football is even higher.
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No, burn-in was first visible on slides for live CNN after week 4. Since the TVs ran only 20 hours per day, this is after only a maximum of 560 hours of cumulative viewing. For someone who watches five hours per week, that is the equivalent of just over two years.
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LOL, of constant viewing and only a blip on certain colors. It doesn't take into mixed viewing either. If you can watch 2 years straight of a logo before you get to burn in, come on man.


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LOL, of constant viewing and only a blip on certain colors. It doesn't take into mixed viewing either. If you can watch 2 years straight of a logo before you get to burn in, come on man.


FUD.

Even LG admitted (read the article, as you clearly have not) that degradation is cumulative and that mixing content has no benefit in terms of mitigating burn-in. Personally, I am not concerned, because CNN or similar programs will not be viewed on my A9G, but there is enough information available to discourage an OLED if that is one of its primary uses and the viewer does not change TVs every couple of years.
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IMO, watching up to 60 minutes of news per day, and otherwise varying the content, is not a burn-in threat. And I don't see the news as anything different from other TV programs. I watch the CBS news Monday-Friday, and yes, there is a CBS logo on the bottom right. But there seems to be a station logo on the bottom right of every TV station and program that I watch (I see it on AMC, National Geographic, Fox, etc, etc). So I guess I can't use my OLED for watching TV at all? Just ridiculous. Watching CNN 24/7 may be a risk, but otherwise, avoid Vivid mode and just vary the content, and you'll be fine. I never had IR or BI on my plasma, and I'm not worried about my OLED.

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Ahhh, well, thanks. I probably watch news one hour a night, five days a week, and football (obviously fall only) for 3 hours on Saturday and 3 hours on Sunday). Otherwise, 2K Blu-ray OR (hopefully) 4K UHD Blu-ray movies/4K streaming alternative. Sooo, would you still send me to LCD Land, or does this look still too ticker/logo rich ? Thanks for the input.
Sure, if you want an inferior picture, especially for watching movies in the dark, go LCD.
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Bill, I always enjoy your entries on here ! You are certainly one of the main guys that has encouraged me to eventually “pulling the lever” on getting a 65” A9G, in big part, because we are similar in our viewing behavior (a significant % of time with 720p/1080i broadcast, e,g. for me, college football, NFL, hockey, and news). I mean, I would LOVE to have that part have more available in 4K, but alas...
You stated that YOUR 1080i looks almost 1080p. Fantastic!, as 1080p certainly looks “plenty good enough for me.” Please remind me of what you are using as a source for your 1080i material (e.g. Charter cable, or DIRECTV, or DISH, or a streaming provider).
As bad as some claim Charter cable to be, on my 10 year-old Panny plasma (VT20) 50”, I have NOT seen significant difference in streaming services picture quality on it. Of course, it is only 50”.
Enjoying your reports of your A9G. Thanks
I went from a 55" Panny plasma to the 65" A9G and couldn't be happier. I love the bigger size, and see no issues with it. I have Verizon Fios, and it looks fantastic for regular HD broadcasts. Maybe it's less compressed than other cable companies???
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My Panny plasma VT20 is about 10 yrs old; ton of football on it- NO Burn in !

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Based on their aging mechanisms, plasma was much more likely to exhibit IR than OLED (current OLEDs have approximately zero IR) but the difference in burn-in resistance is far more debatable. I would not subject my OLED to five hours per week of bright red CNN, Fox News, or similar logos.

How many hours do you have on your OLEDs that you use for sports?


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Yea, I have had my Panasonic plasma ( VT20) for at least ten years...zero burn-in, despite watching two college football games each Saturday (probably mostly ESPN)...I have NO, zilch burn in. Clean when I view a red screen.

Not sure just how many hours on my plasma. I am not a "watch it from dawn to dark" kinda family. Just my wife and I.
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I went from a 55" Panny plasma to the 65" A9G and couldn't be happier. I love the bigger size, and see no issues with it. I have Verizon Fios, and it looks fantastic for regular HD broadcasts. Maybe it's less compressed than other cable companies???



I have heard that FIOS is thee best for cable. Wish I could get it. Not in "rural" U.P. of Michigan.
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It really depends which news channel(s) you will be watching. If it does not have a bright red or yellow static logo, you should be safe, but CNN or similar would be more problematic.
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Yeah I agree and I'm just stating opinion that this Sony vs LG stuff should remain in the dedicated shootout or versus threads.
Does not matter what anyone else thinks, just the guy withn cash in hand

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I went from a 55" Panny plasma to the 65" A9G and couldn't be happier. I love the bigger size, and see no issues with it. I have Verizon Fios, and it looks fantastic for regular HD broadcasts. Maybe it's less compressed than other cable companies???
That is the perfect upgrade
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That is the perfect upgrade
With the wide bezels the old displays used to have, I could not fit more than a 55" in my wall unit. Nowadays there is no bezel, and a 65" just fits!
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Just one comment on the shootout since this is off topic but Vincent does an excellent job so I don't want to diminish anything they are doing but as another point of view, one thing we found at the VE Shootout is the professional judges were looking to find the set that reproduced the post production work the best, meaning the most accurate picture. The enthusiast and consumers mostly like slightly different characteristics, brighter, maybe more saturated PQ. There is no right or wrong since consumers are the people buying the sets but it's an interesting fact that was discovered. Many pro calibrators have discussed that the LG generally displays what consumers seem to like better, especially with HDR, which is what they should be doing to sell sets but maybe this is why the Panasonic which is supposed to have the best reference PQ didn't win against the LG. I feel at this point since the OLEDs are so close you really need the pros and the audience to judge.

All sets are excellent and we are splitting hairs but just an interesting factoid to help put things into perspective.
With televisions, I check out reviews from multiple reviewers I respect (David Katzmaier @ CNET and Vincent @ HDTVTest to name a couple). I also check out what owners and pro calibrators think of the set. Following that formula has worked well for me over the years.
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Just thought i ask, are there any protective film somewhere that i might have missed? i see lg videos with a film protecting the screen, but if theres one on ag9 im blind

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Im not sure what they use, but I do know it is somewhat "durable". I mean I have to wipe gritty dog slobber off mine sometimes lol.

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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post
Im not sure what they use, but I do know it is somewhat "durable". I mean I have to wipe gritty dog slobber off mine sometimes lol.
yeah but i mean, is there any plastic film that i should remove, that i have missed

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