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I haven't noticed any flashing either.
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I saw what may be flashing while watching the Handmaid's tale with the ATV. I did not see the flashing while watching the same scenes on the native sony app. Not sure if it was the source or the new 4k implementation of Hulu on the ATV.
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ATV4K and Infuse Pro is the best thing I have ever used.
Yes i agree with you

In my case, I will replace my tv (Sony 65x930c) and I still hesitate between the Sony a9g and the LG C9

not easy to choose

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I'd like to have a 65 inch but I can't convince my partner, she only accepts a 55 inch at max
#1 reason for buyer remorse is screen size...........

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Wonder what they do with the questionable panels.........

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From my experience I see less uniformity issues on Sony's vs LGs and less on the LG E,G and W than the B's and C's.
I would sure hope the W panels are cherry picked.......Those are expensive but very sleek
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If I understand well, from an AG9 it won't be possible to read all Video format and Sound format from AG9 application to a NAS (connected over the local network), am I correct dudes ?
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Yes i agree with you

In my case, I will replace my tv (Sony 65x930c) and I still hesitate between the Sony a9g and the LG C9

not easy to choose

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I havent got the C9 and im biased but.
- If you game, C9
- If you want more brightness, which is already 2much on AG9 if u crank it up, so its a dumb argument many takes imo. - C9
- If you want good upscaling from 1080p or broadcast tv, AG9
- If you want good motion, AG9
- If you like WebOS or like Android TV - choose, im an appleguy but i must say im positively surprised at Android TV on this set, zero lag
- Using the TV as centerchannel with acoustic surface is epic tbh, C9 cant do that
- Only time ive seen near black flashing i got scared, but its a bug with appletv - from PC or builtin apps i didnt see it.

Whatever you choose is gonna be good obviously

my 2 cents
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Thanks box4m

I have a one X but I rarely play.

I use my tv with infuse pro and netflix (atv 4k)

the Sony seems to have an advantage with the color gradient but it has a bad Color Accuracy out of box and it might need a calibration isf.

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I havent got the C9 and im biased but.
- If you game, C9
- If you want more brightness, which is already 2much on AG9 if u crank it up, so its a dumb argument many takes imo. - C9
- If you want good upscaling from 1080p or broadcast tv, AG9
- If you want good motion, AG9
- If you like WebOS or like Android TV - choose, im an appleguy but i must say im positively surprised at Android TV on this set, zero lag
- Using the TV as centerchannel with acoustic surface is epic tbh, C9 cant do that
- Only time ive seen near black flashing i got scared, but its a bug with appletv - from PC or builtin apps i didnt see it.

Whatever you choose is gonna be good obviously

my 2 cents

Pretty much agree with everything you listed, but I have been gaming a decent amount on my A9G and am very happy with the TV for that purpose. The 26 ms input lag is sufficient for me and I did not want to compromise with upscaling and overall image processing, so I chose the A9G. Also, Android TV works well enough on this TV that I do not need an external streaming box.
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Thanks JD23,

For those who have an a9g,

Do you use the custom mode for movies ?

Did you do a calibration ?

Thanks in advanced

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Yes i agree with you

In my case, I will replace my tv (Sony 65x930c) and I still hesitate between the Sony a9g and the LG C9

not easy to choose

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You will be happy either way. They are in the same tier and both have top notch picture quality. It seems people prefer LG's operating system, but I am comfortable with Android now and on the A9G it's actually snappy and easy to use. If you're picky, that can be a factor.

Just to add a couple more notes, specifically to gaming. Personally I do play a lot of games (PS4 Pro) but not multiplayer/competitive, just the AAA exclusives and stuff. I can't say if I would be able to tell the difference between 25ms vs 13ms, or if anybody can. Back in the day with PC gaming, I almost remember that 25ms was considered really good for monitors. Just for perspective, while the LG is considered superior in this sense, I don't think it means the Sony is "bad" and you shouldn't let that deter you. I've played many twitch reaction games too (and MLB The Show with pitching meters or NBA 2K with shot meters) and never felt any lack of responsiveness (this was on the Z9D which was about the same as A9G in terms of lag).

For me, I saved up to buy a high end TV + UB9000 and had a budget in mind, so since it didn't come down to price, I leaned to Sony because I felt a little more comfortable with the quality control, and appreciate their motion handling and upscaling/processing and philosophy on tone mapping. I don't have a good eye for color (actually red-green color blind), but I know they can be calibrated to near perfect anyway. But back to LG, even though Sony might have a tiny bit better motion and a tiny bit better processing and upscaling, it still in the same ballpark as well....so it's not like I can say that everyone will notice when they're sitting 10' away.

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Yes i agree with you

In my case, I will replace my tv (Sony 65x930c) and I still hesitate between the Sony a9g and the LG C9

not easy to choose

OlivierQC
You will be happy either way. They are in the same tier and both have top notch picture quality. It seems people prefer LG's operating system, but I am comfortable with Android now and on the A9G it's actually snappy and easy to use. If you're picky, that can be a factor.

Just to add a couple more notes, specifically to gaming. Personally I do play a lot of games (PS4 Pro) but not multiplayer/competitive, just the AAA exclusives and stuff. I can't say if I would be able to tell the difference between 25ms vs 13ms, or if anybody can. Back in the day with PC gaming, I almost remember that 25ms was considered really good for monitors. Just for perspective, while the LG is considered superior in this sense, I don't think it means the Sony is "bad" and you shouldn't let that deter you. I've played many twitch reaction games too (and MLB The Show with pitching meters or NBA 2K with shot meters) and never felt any lack of responsiveness (this was on the Z9D which was about the same as A9G in terms of lag).

For me, I saved up to buy a high end TV + UB9000 and had a budget in mind, so since it didn't come down to price, I leaned to Sony because I felt a little more comfortable with the quality control, and appreciate their motion handling and upscaling/processing and philosophy on tone mapping. I don't have a good eye for color (actually red-green color blind), but I know they can be calibrated to near perfect anyway. But back to LG, even though Sony might have a tiny bit better motion and a tiny bit better processing and upscaling, it still in the same ballpark as well....so it's not like I can say that everyone will notice when they're sitting 10' away.
Its nice placebo to know you have the best upscaling and motion tho 😎 it feels even better when you know that hehe

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Its nice placebo to know you have the best upscaling and motion tho 😎 it feels even better when you know that hehe
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Thank you all for your messages.

I will order it tomorrow

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Is anybody have trouble playing video files from the Media Player. I have a synology NAS that the TV can see and see all the files, but when I try and play a video all I get is the spinning circle. My Sony 930e plays the videos but no dice from the A9G. Any ideas.

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- Using the TV as centerchannel with acoustic surface is epic tbh, C9 cant do that
I currently use the acoustic panel as my center channel while I'm upgrading my speaker system. It timbre matches well enough with my older soft dome monitor speakers and doesn't call attention to itself.
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A9G Settings

Custom

Brightness Menu
Brightness: 36
Contrast: 90
Gamma: -2
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: Low

Color Menu
Color Temp: Expert 1

ADV Color Temp
R-Gain: -3
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Multi Point ADJ

Point 1
-7
-8
Min

Point 2
-4
-4
-5

Point 3
-4
-5
-5

Point 4
-4
-3
-5

Point 5
1
-1
-2

Point 6
0
0
-2

Point 7
0
0
-3

Point 8
-1
1
-2

Point 9
0
1
-1

Point 10
-1
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:

Red:
Hue: 2
Saturation: 1
Lightness: 0

Magenta:
Hue: -4
Saturation: 1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 1
Saturation: 1
Lightness: 0

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: 2
Lightness: 1

Green:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 2
Lightness: 2

Yellow:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 3
Lightness: 2


Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Custom
Clearness: Low
CineMotion: Off

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Try motionflow custom with smoothness 1 for all kinds of content, leave it at that for a few days and see how you like it. There is no 3/2 pulldown menu, rather a setting labeled cinemotion for american models and labeled film mode for non american models to deal with reverse pulldown (24hz content in a 60hz container), leave that at auto and forget it.
And what's this 'natural' picture mode you are using for movies (you're too naughty ) Keep it to either cinema or custom mode for movies, and nothing else. For ps4 gaming, you can use the game mode. And game mode makes better sense for ps4 hdr games , one because of lower input lag, and two because unlike hdr movies, hdr games are encoded at 4:4:4 full chroma, on these sony tv's cinema or custom mode cannot display 4:4:4 chroma, but game mode can. You can also make some changes in the game mode according to your liking, unlike movies, accuracy is not as crucial when playing games.
I have the SonyA9G and the Panasonic DP UB9000. Which setting on the Panasonic do I use for HDMI, 4K60p (4:2:0) or 4K60p (4:4:4)
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A9G Settings

Cinema Pro

Brightness Menu
Brightness: 36
Contrast: 90
Gamma: -2
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: Low

Color Menu
Color Temp: Expert 1

ADV Color Temp
R-Gain: -3
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Multi Point ADJ

Point 1
-7
-8
Min

Point 2
-4
-4
-5

Point 3
-4
-5
-5

Point 4
-4
-3
-5

Point 5
1
-1
-2

Point 6
0
0
-2

Point 7
0
0
-3

Point 8
-1
1
-2

Point 9
0
1
-1

Point 10
-1
0
0

Per Color Adjustment:

Red:
Hue: 2
Saturation: 1
Lightness: 0

Magenta:
Hue: -4
Saturation: 1
Lightness: -1

Blue:
Hue: 1
Saturation: 1
Lightness: 0

Cyan:
Hue: -3
Saturation: 2
Lightness: 1

Green:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 2
Lightness: 2

Yellow:
Hue: 0
Saturation: 3
Lightness: 2


Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradaion: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Custom
Clearness: Low
CineMotion: Off
Thanks for sharing, D-Nice. Are these settings pretty consistent with all A9G sets?

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Wow! Wish we had D-Nice A9F settings...😩
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Thanks D-Nice,

the last time I used your settings it was for my panasonic G20, few years ago.(it still works very well)

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My calibration 77AG9


Picture Mode: customized for professional 1

SDR (for Blurays 4K SDR movies, 1080 SDR)

Brightness
Brightness sensor: disabled
Brightness 23 (to reach 120 nits)
Contrast 93
Gamma: 0 (gamma 2.2) for day view or -2 for full black view (gamma 2.4)
Black level: 50 (I have used a specific pattern to calibrate this setting, it may change over time, but there is a good chance that at you it is 50. You can eventually set to 51 but the blacks will be less deep beyond the blacks become "gray")

black setting: no
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: no (do not activate SDR in my opinion, I think it "crame the whites" it may seem flattering in the dark scenes but to disable in my opinion
Peak luminance: medium (as recommended by sony and Calman, the calibration must be done at this level (confirmed by Cédric Louis).
This setting affects the intensity of the white pixel (W) of our TV.
I remind you that LG tiles are WRGB tiles. (White / red / green / blue)
Note that if you set this setting to low, you have to increase the brightness slider towards 32 ...

Colors
Colors: 53 (there are sighting patterns with a "blue" filter to set this setting, for me it's 53. Note that the blue filter does not work on the HDR pattern as shown in Spears & Munsil UHD)
Hue 0 (same pattern as above (unchanged)
Temperature: expert 2
natural color: no. You can activate for cartoons .... but I do not recommend ... it gives peps but it distorts ...)
Advanced temperature: basic unchanged because 20 points
On 20 points to know: (rvb) Note that this is only possible via Calman to access these two modes otherwise it is a scale 10 P
these data are those of my TV but you can always tested. Otherwise it is better to leave the expert mode and left as is.
1 -20 / -18 / -30
2 -5 / -9 / -18
3 2/0 / -8
4 2/1 / -5
5 0/0 / -4
6 -3 / -3 / -6
7 -4 / -5 / -8
8 -5 / -6 / -9
9 -2 / -2 / -6
10 1/1 / -4
11 0/0 / -5
12 3/3 / -3
13 6/6 / -2
14 6/6 / -2
15 2/1 / -6
16 2/1 / -6
17 2/0 / -7
18 1 / -2 / -9
19 0 / -3 / -10
20 0 / -3 / -10


color settings: (color: Hue / Saturation / Brightness)
red: -4/1/2
magenta: 7/0/2
BLue: -1 / -2 / 0
Cyan: -4 / -1 / 2
Green: -3 / -2 / 0
Yellow: -11 / -3 / 6

clearness
sharpness: 50 by default
Reality creation: +35 (some disable or low value: at home I can push the cursor without creating noise on good sources)
Noise and digital reduction: No
Smoothed Gradient: Low

Motionflow
Expert Fluid 1 (it's my choice, 2 remains suitable, at least "it's not fluid": I regret that this slider is not more progressive as I had before on my sony ZD9)
Clarity Low (otherwise it flickers)
Movie mode: Auto

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HDR and Dolby Vision

Note that this automatically switches to the TV when an HDR signal is detected ...

Picture Mode: customized for professional 1

Brightness
Brightness sensor: disabled
Max brightness
Contrast 93
Gamma: 0
Black level: 50
black setting: no
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: no (to note You can use Dolby Vision on low especially in dark mode if you consider that it is "too dark" ...)
peak luminance: high

Colors
Colors: 53
Hue 0
Temperature: expert 2
natural color: no.
Advanced temperature: basic unchanged because 20 points
On 20 points namely: (rvb)
1 -20 / -18 / -30
2 -5 / -9 / -18
3 2/0 / -8
4 2/1 / -5
5 0/0 / -4
6 -3 / -3 / -6
7 -4 / -5 / -8
8 -5 / -6 / -9
9 -2 / -2 / -6
10 1/1 / -4
11 0/0 / -5
12 3/3 / -3
13 6/6 / -2
14 6/6 / -2
15 2/1 / -6
16 2/1 / -6
17 2/0 / -7
18 1 / -2 / -9
19 0 / -3 / -10
20 0 / -3 / -10


color settings: (color: Hue / Saturation / Brightness)
red: -4/1/2
magenta: 7/0/2
BLue: -1 / -2 / 0
Cyan: -4 / -1 / 2
Green: -3 / -2 / 0
Yellow: -11 / -3 / 6

clearness
sharpness: 50 by default
Reality Creation: +35
Noise and digital reduction: No
Smoothed Gradient: Low

Motionflow
Fluid Expert 1
Clarity Low (otherwise it flickers)
Movie mode: Auto
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You will be happy either way. They are in the same tier and both have top notch picture quality. It seems people prefer LG's operating system, but I am comfortable with Android now and on the A9G it's actually snappy and easy to use. If you're picky, that can be a factor.



Just to add a couple more notes, specifically to gaming. Personally I do play a lot of games (PS4 Pro) but not multiplayer/competitive, just the AAA exclusives and stuff. I can't say if I would be able to tell the difference between 25ms vs 13ms, or if anybody can. Back in the day with PC gaming, I almost remember that 25ms was considered really good for monitors. Just for perspective, while the LG is considered superior in this sense, I don't think it means the Sony is "bad" and you shouldn't let that deter you. I've played many twitch reaction games too (and MLB The Show with pitching meters or NBA 2K with shot meters) and never felt any lack of responsiveness (this was on the Z9D which was about the same as A9G in terms of lag).



For me, I saved up to buy a high end TV + UB9000 and had a budget in mind, so since it didn't come down to price, I leaned to Sony because I felt a little more comfortable with the quality control, and appreciate their motion handling and upscaling/processing and philosophy on tone mapping. I don't have a good eye for color (actually red-green color blind), but I know they can be calibrated to near perfect anyway. But back to LG, even though Sony might have a tiny bit better motion and a tiny bit better processing and upscaling, it still in the same ballpark as well....so it's not like I can say that everyone will notice when they're sitting 10' away.
I remember just a couple years ago when oleds went down to 25-30ms, people were raving how great the response was compared to previous 50ms oleds. Now that other TVs got down to 13ms, the Sony a9g gets called out for "high input lag". 25ms is more than good enough for the vast majority of gamers imho.

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You will be happy either way. They are in the same tier and both have top notch picture quality. It seems people prefer LG's operating system, but I am comfortable with Android now and on the A9G it's actually snappy and easy to use. If you're picky, that can be a factor.



Just to add a couple more notes, specifically to gaming. Personally I do play a lot of games (PS4 Pro) but not multiplayer/competitive, just the AAA exclusives and stuff. I can't say if I would be able to tell the difference between 25ms vs 13ms, or if anybody can. Back in the day with PC gaming, I almost remember that 25ms was considered really good for monitors. Just for perspective, while the LG is considered superior in this sense, I don't think it means the Sony is "bad" and you shouldn't let that deter you. I've played many twitch reaction games too (and MLB The Show with pitching meters or NBA 2K with shot meters) and never felt any lack of responsiveness (this was on the Z9D which was about the same as A9G in terms of lag).



For me, I saved up to buy a high end TV + UB9000 and had a budget in mind, so since it didn't come down to price, I leaned to Sony because I felt a little more comfortable with the quality control, and appreciate their motion handling and upscaling/processing and philosophy on tone mapping. I don't have a good eye for color (actually red-green color blind), but I know they can be calibrated to near perfect anyway. But back to LG, even though Sony might have a tiny bit better motion and a tiny bit better processing and upscaling, it still in the same ballpark as well....so it's not like I can say that everyone will notice when they're sitting 10' away.


What I will say that’s great about the C9 is
ALLM works with the most accurate PQ modes, ISF and Cinema. Combine that with custom tone curves if calibrated gives you the best picture quality and peak brightness (for HDR) for gaming.
I wish the A9G had the color volume as the A9F.


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What I will say that’s great about the C9 is
ALLM works with the most accurate PQ modes, ISF and Cinema. Combine that with custom tone curves if calibrated gives you the best picture quality and peak brightness (for HDR) for gaming.
I wish the A9G had the color volume as the A9F.


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Game mode on the Sony carries over the same calibrated settings too. Loving it.
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I noticed D-Nice had his smooth gradation on low. Are a lot of people keeping it there by default? I thought there was a loss of detail trade-off when using it.


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I noticed D-Nice had his smooth gradation on low. Are a lot of people keeping it there by default? I thought there was a loss of detail trade-off when using it.


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Most people recommend Low (off for DV though). I had it on Low with my other Sony, but on the A9G I started with Off and kept it since I never saw any banding or whatnot.

I think any loss of detail is super minor anyway, like pausing and looking for it up close type of minor.
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What I will say that’s great about the C9 is
ALLM works with the most accurate PQ modes, ISF and Cinema. Combine that with custom tone curves if calibrated gives you the best picture quality and peak brightness (for HDR) for gaming.
I wish the A9G had the color volume as the A9F.


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Color volume is superb on mine. Equal to the a9f and expert sony calibrators agree. I don't understand why poking jabs at the a9g makes you feel better about your c9. Are you that unsure about your c9 that you have to be lurking over here in another set's owners thread hoping that people follow your false narrative?

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Color volume is superb on mine. Equal to the a9f and expert sony calibrators agree. I don't understand why poking jabs at the a9g makes you feel better about your c9. Are you that unsure about your c9 that you have to be lurking over here in another set's owners thread hoping that people follow your false narrative?

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I was just referring to Rtings measurements. I didn’t know you had you A9G calibrated and it measured color volume as high as the A9F. Apologies if so. This has nothing to do with what I own. Did I say the A9G is a bad TV, no?




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