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I was just referring to Rtings measurements. I didn’t know you had you A9G calibrated and it measured color volume as high as the A9F. Apologies if so. This has nothing to do with what I own. Did I say the A9G is a bad TV, no?




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Last time I checked the owners in this thread (still an owners thread last time I checked) don't need a constant reminder of lesser numbers of one individual panel from this year compared to one individual panel from last year on one particular website who's members actually stated that the differences are unnoticeable in real life usage scenarios. Just out of curiosity, do you also agree with them when they specifically stated that the c9 has lower hdr peak brightness, and lower out of the box color accuracy this year? Are you as disappointed in that as much as you are disappointed in the lower color volume numbers they measured on this year's sony?

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Last time I checked the owners in this thread (still an owners thread last time I checked) don't need a constant reminder of lesser numbers of one individual panel from this year compared to one individual panel from last year on one particular website who's members actually stated that the differences are unnoticeable in real life usage scenarios. Just out of curiosity, do you also agree with them when they specifically stated that the c9 has lower hdr peak brightness, and lower out of the box color accuracy this year? Are you as disappointed in that as much as you are disappointed in the lower color volume numbers they measured on this year's sony?

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If you will indulge me, yes, I do believe Rtings regarding the higher peak brightness on the C8. John from VE measured my C9’s panel’s peak brightness out of the box at 650 nits if I remember correctly. He adjusted it to 700.
Not sure about color accuracy. Mine was pretty accurate out of the box. I remember Joel Silver at the VE shootout was really impressed with out of the box measurements on both Sony and LG. I have no issue whatsoever in discussing the strength and weakness of each brand. That doesn’t mean I have any regrets on my purchase. In fact, welcome any A9F owners in the C9 thread to give their opinions to help someone decide on a future purchase.





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If you will indulge me, yes, I do believe Rtings regarding the higher peak brightness on the C8. John from VE measured my C9’s panel’s peak brightness out of the box at 650 nits if I remember correctly. He adjusted it to 700.
Not sure about color accuracy. Mine was pretty accurate out of the box. I remember Joel Silver at the VE shootout was really impressed with out of the box measurements on both Sony and LG. I have no issue whatsoever in discussing the strength and weakness of each brand. That doesn’t mean I have any regrets on my purchase. In fact, welcome any A9F owners in the C9 thread to give their opinions to help someone decide on a future purchase.





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So if we are in agreement that lower numbers don't affect your overall viewing and the overall product you own is excellent, then why bring numbers into the discussion in another owners thread, while mentioning your "disappointment" in them?

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So if we are in agreement that lower numbers don't affect your overall viewing and the overall product you own is excellent, then why bring numbers into the discussion in another owners thread, while mentioning your "disappointment" in them?

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There's no use of these back and forths with non owners about stuff like color volume and all because it will reach no conclusion from either side.
Instead, as a mod and the thread starter suggested some pages back, do not engage non owners with an agenda, just inform the mods about them so they can come and help them..



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Most people recommend Low (off for DV though). I had it on Low with my other Sony, but on the A9G I started with Off and kept it since I never saw any banding or whatnot.

I think any loss of detail is super minor anyway, like pausing and looking for it up close type of minor.
There is no gradation algorithm that works losslessly. As much as Sony would like to tell you gradation low makes no difference to the picture detail, it is not true all the time. If their algorithm works less aggressively than other brands in handling fine detail, it doesn't matter, the fact is gradation low I have seen in some scenes making them look softer, in other scenes it doesn't. I compared a lot of scenes in SDR, pausing frames and looking at gradation low vs gradation off. It's there, some softness in certain scenes is there with gradation low because it's stripping fine detail, I could make it out from my normal 8ft viewing distance, I did not have to go close to the screen. This gradation algorithm from Sony isn't new, some of their flagship 1080p Bluray ray players had it too, Sony's 'official' term for it is super bit mapping. And that's how it is labelled on those players. On my ES series Sony Blu ray player (S1000ES), there is a super bit mapping option in the settings, if I turn it to on, I can see many Blu ray movie scenes have a touch of softness to them, so I keep it off. On the AG9 too, gradation I set to off. The downside of this is that you do come across some banding in highly compressed content, but I can put up with that, better than making some scenes look softer.
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Congrats on that, who is doing the install?
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So i dont know enough about this to troubleshoot really so maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

I got the ag9 connected as a center speaker.
Optical out to AVR (didnt get EARC to work with this fairly old AVR yet).

If I shutdown the AVR and not the tv i get a bzzzzzz sound until i either turn it off or set sound mode back from audio system.


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Custom

Brightness Menu
Brightness: 36
Contrast: 90
Gamma: -2
Black Level: 50
Black ADJ: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Peak Luminance: Low

Color Menu
Color Temp: Expert 1

ADV Color Temp
R-Gain: -3
G-Gain: Max
B-Gain: -3
R-Bias: 0
G-Bias: 0
B-Bias: 0

Multi Point ADJ

Point 1
-7
-8
Min

Point 2
-4
-4
-5

Point 3
-4
-5
-5

Point 4
-4
-3
-5

Point 5
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-2

Point 6
0
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Point 7
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0
-3

Point 8
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-2

Point 9
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Point 10
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Saturation: 1
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Green:
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Saturation: 2
Lightness: 2

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Hue: 0
Saturation: 3
Lightness: 2


Clarity Menu
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Low

Motion Menu
Motionflow: Custom
Clearness: Low
CineMotion: Off
Why cinemotion off?
I thought that setting only identified 24p content when you watch 60hz and do 3:2 pulldown?

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Let's cease discussions of other brands. This isn't a comparison thread. This is for OWNERS to discuss THIS DISPLAY among themselves. Please respect their wishes.

If you do not own or imminently PLAN to own this display, please do not post here.
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Wanted to drop a reminder to everyone to grab your free IMAX enhanced movie through the Priviledge 4K app / bonus app on these TVs. Don’t think I saw anyone post about this and it wasn’t super clear when I bought the TV it was included - think promo ends end of August.
You get to pick from I think 12 retail movies and I believe you get Movies Anywhere code for them all too plus a documentary
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There is no gradation algorithm that works losslessly. As much as Sony would like to tell you gradation low makes no difference to the picture detail, it is not true all the time. If their algorithm works less aggressively than other brands in handling fine detail, it doesn't matter, the fact is gradation low I have seen in some scenes making them look softer, in other scenes it doesn't. I compared a lot of scenes in SDR, pausing frames and looking at gradation low vs gradation off. It's there, some softness in certain scenes is there with gradation low because it's stripping fine detail, I could make it out from my normal 8ft viewing distance, I did not have to go close to the screen. This gradation algorithm from Sony isn't new, some of their flagship 1080p Bluray ray players had it too, Sony's 'official' term for it is super bit mapping. And that's how it is labelled on those players. On my ES series Sony Blu ray player (S1000ES), there is a super bit mapping option in the settings, if I turn it to on, I can see many Blu ray movie scenes have a touch of softness to them, so I keep it off. On the AG9 too, gradation I set to off. The downside of this is that you do come across some banding in highly compressed content, but I can put up with that, better than making some scenes look softer.
Cool, I'll keep it off as well.

Assuming same for Reality Creation?
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I leave it on my A8F that is only broadcast tv, but I leave it off on the A9G because it gets mainly high quality content.

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Cool, I'll keep it off as well.

Assuming same for Reality Creation?
RC is an algorithm to perform additional upscaling refinement on the image on top of the core upscaling done by the processor by engaging Sony's dual database processing. It does work, but don't set it high. I definitely saw a difference on some YouTube 480i videos after setting RC to 30, the image looked better. You can turn RC on, but don't go higher than manual 30 or auto with the setting. It has a slider that goes to 100 but going too high can introduce noise in the picture. Manual 30 is where I find that it can be set to without any negative effects.
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Why cinemotion off?
I thought that setting only identified 24p content when you watch 60hz and do 3:2 pulldown?
Because it trips up sometime when set to Auto.
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Why cinemotion off?
I thought that setting only identified 24p content when you watch 60hz and do 3:2 pulldown?
Correct. If you do streaming, keep it on Auto.
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Hi,


did the new update from last week bring any improvements to Motionflow (specially artifacts with MF set to 2 or auto)?
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A9G Settings



Custom



Brightness Menu

Brightness: 36

Contrast: 90

Gamma: -2

Black Level: 50

Black ADJ: Off

Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off

Peak Luminance: Low



Color Menu

Color Temp: Expert 1



ADV Color Temp

R-Gain: -3

G-Gain: Max

B-Gain: -3

R-Bias: 0

G-Bias: 0

B-Bias: 0



Multi Point ADJ



Point 1

-7

-8

Min



Point 2

-4

-4

-5



Point 3

-4

-5

-5



Point 4

-4

-3

-5



Point 5

1

-1

-2



Point 6

0

0

-2



Point 7

0

0

-3



Point 8

-1

1

-2



Point 9

0

1

-1



Point 10

-1

0

0



Per Color Adjustment:



Red:

Hue: 2

Saturation: 1

Lightness: 0



Magenta:

Hue: -4

Saturation: 1

Lightness: -1



Blue:

Hue: 1

Saturation: 1

Lightness: 0



Cyan:

Hue: -3

Saturation: 2

Lightness: 1



Green:

Hue: 0

Saturation: 2

Lightness: 2



Yellow:

Hue: 0

Saturation: 3

Lightness: 2





Clarity Menu

Reality Creation: Off

Smooth Gradation: Low



Motion Menu

Motionflow: Custom

Clearness: Low

CineMotion: Off


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I found Vicent's burn in test more realistic than Rtings burn in test. At least for me as I surf a lot between channels when watching TV. BTW, regarding burn in on Sony's. How Sony OLED TVs handle white closed captions? I use white closed captions a lot, mostly during night hours to not bother other family members while watching TV or movies with high volume.

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I found Vicent's burn in test more realistic than Rtings burn in test. At least for me as I surf a lot between channels when watching TV. BTW, regarding burn in on Sony's. How Sony OLED TVs handle white closed captions? I use white closed captions a lot, mostly during night hours to not bother other family members while watching TV or movies with high volume.
With white closed captions u mean subtitles? (English not main language ^^)

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With white closed captions u mean subtitles? (English not main language ^^)
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Does these TVs have a "compensation cycle" like LG after X hours of use?
Im not talking about the 1hour long one after several thousand hours.

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Does these TVs have a "compensation cycle" like LG after X hours of use?
Im not talking about the 1hour long one after several thousand hours.
Yes they do. For every 4 hours of use, the A9G will do a 15 minute comp cycle. Every 3k hours, it will do a full 1 hour comp cycle.

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Does these TVs have a "compensation cycle" like LG after X hours of use?
Im not talking about the 1hour long one after several thousand hours.
Yes they do. For every 4 hours of use, the A9G will do a 15 minute comp cycle. Every 3k hours, it will do a full 1 hour comp cycle.
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Yes they do. For every 4 hours of use, the A9G will do a 15 minute comp cycle. Every 3k hours, it will do a full 1 hour comp cycle.

Just to clarify: That’s four hours of use, but not continuous use, correct?

95% of the time. I turn it on, watch a movie or a couple of episodes of a show, and then turn it off. So the TV maybe is on for 2hrs at a time. Rarely is it on for 4 hrs.


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Guys, I was watching Vincent's new video on YouTube explaining the scores of his TV evaluation event. And the AG9 got scored 4th with tone mapping. And I was puzzled, I don't like Sony's Dolby vision implementation that uses Dolby's customised tone mapping, but with hdr 10 Sony's tone mapping is very good, their dynamic tone mapping that always works with hdr10 is definitely better than lg's DTM imo. And still the event rated LG as the best in tone mapping and Sony as the last, even behind Samsung qled. That's what happens when you have a bunch of scatterbrains from the public doing the evaluation and you don't involve professionals in the scoring.

And the colour accuracy scoring is also questionable, they played a movie scene from Kingsman secret service and asked the public guys to rate colour accuracy. You don't rate colour accuracy by eye looking at a movie scene, imo it is unscientific. Only a colorimeter can correctly tell you colour accuracy, and that's how scientifically it should be done, see the colour delta errors both pre and post calibration using a meter on all the TV's and rate colour accuracy on basis of that.This scoring rated LG as the best in colour accuracy, higher than Panasonic and that was eyebrow raising because Panasonic is considered the best for colour accuracy (by Hollywood too), the way they scored the LG the best in colour accuracy and better than Panasonic was running a colourful movie scene and telling the public to judge by eye. Flawed I think, because if you're playing a colourful movie scene and telling the public to score, some guys in the public will invariably be attracted to the most blown up vivid looking colours and rate it the best in accuracy. A blown up bright looking blue doesn't mean it's the more accurate blue.

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I remember several years ago, when plasmas were on their last leg, the Samsung f8500 won the public vote, while the Panasonic VT/ZT won the critics choice in the VE shootout.

I attributed this to the public being drawn more towards the “brighter” whites of the Samsung, despite having lighter blacks than the Panny, which produced deeper blacks and better color saturation overall.

Different people are drawn to different things. And while I have no doubt the Panasonic OLED bests the Sony overall, I always steer my choices more towards what pro calibrators prefer vs the general public.

But that’s just me.


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