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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm going to give the Center Channel feature a go. I don't know why more TV manufacturer do this. I'm just a little disappointed that they went with the clips this time around. Now I have to rig something up to go from Audioquest banana to clips. My speaker wires are banana only........grrrrr
I tried using the A9G as a center channel with my Denon x3600h and HTD Level 3 speakers. The results were not good. Even after rerunning Audyssey, the center channel audio just didn't sound right. The other weird thing is that Audyssey threw an error saying the center channel was out of phase, when I know it was wired correctly. It also thought the center channel was almost 25 ft. from my listening area. The room isn't even that big. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] I tweaked it with manual settings but it didn't make a difference. So I'm sticking with my dedicated center channel speaker. Oh well.

And I agree with you about the clips. They don't work well for anything larger than 18-20 gauge wire.
Thanks for all the great posts, and thoughts guys. I'll be getting my 65in today, and give the Center Channel feature a shot. I'll be taking some REW graphs of the feature, and distance/level match it. Anything you guys want me to check with REW? I have across Spectrum calibrated UMIK 1. I currently do not have room correction since EMOTIVA has not released DIRAC 2.0 for my RMC yet. If anything, I'll still have my center LS50.

The TV will be wall mounted. I usually got better REW readings from my KEF Center in the middle shelf of my entertainment center, so I'll be comparing both via REW at first. I'll be shooting for a crossover of 100 or 120 for the SONY.

My A9G should be arriving between 3:45-7:45pm EST.
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Going to an OLED from an LCD i think the only thing you will sacrifice and miss is brightness.
Many gains, amazing black levels, color accuracy, and if you get the W9 a amazing look .

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It's either OLED for a light controlled environment or LCD for a bright room. The A9G or the LG C9 in any size is not going to be noticeably different in brightness.
True but no TV performs well in a bright room......
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Nice. I replaced the Z9D in my main room too. As good as that was, after 3.5 years I was itching for a new TV and bigger size (65 vs 77)
The size alone is a big plus for you. Our Z9D is 75” so not a significant gain in size here.

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Could I ask you guys who had the Z9D how the A9G compares? Do you feel you made a sacrifice in any aspect of your viewing experience? Is the Oleds picture better in every way or not? Thanks, trying to decide what screen (at least 75") to buy.
The OLED has better black levels with a more “saturated” look. As my wife puts it, “the OLED has more pop.” All of our viewing is in a light-controlled dark room and 80-90% of it is with movies, so naturally an OLED is perfect for that use. BTW, our Z9D was calibrated by a revered ISF calibrator.

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Could I ask you guys who had the Z9D how the A9G compares? Do you feel you made a sacrifice in any aspect of your viewing experience? Is the Oleds picture better in every way or not? Thanks, trying to decide what screen (at least 75") to buy.
I made the jump from 65” Z9D to 77” A9G. I had the Z since late 2016 and have been enjoying it to this day, my biggest reason to “upgrade” (more on that below) was:

(1) Size – I moved to a new house about 1.5 years ago with a bigger living room/space, so I felt I needed a bigger screen to provide a more cinematic experience. The A9G checked that box.
(2) Hobby – I just like to buy new gear every so often for change of pace. For example, I also got a UB9000 player to replace my Oppo 203 for no reason even though it’s been flawless 😊

The pros and cons of each are as expected, but nowhere near as apart as people make it seem on the forums. Likely because the Z9D is in a class of its own from an LCD perspective so it’s biggest shortcoming vs OLED is almost negligible (I've had people think they were watching an OLED). It feels more like a lateral move with a tilt towards upgrade due to sleeker design, bigger size, snappier OS, and perfect black.

One thing I was worried about with the OLED was brightness during daytime watching, but that turned out to be OK. Of course, I wouldn’t do critical viewing in day time anyway.

The OLED still delivers impressive punch, and the colors are noticeably better and deeper. Motion is a tick better too (although more 24p stutter vs more blurring on the Z).
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I made the jump from 65” Z9D to 77” A9G. I had the Z since late 2016 and have been enjoying it to this day, my biggest reason to “upgrade” (more on that below) was:

(1) Size – I moved to a new house about 1.5 years ago with a bigger living room/space, so I felt I needed a bigger screen to provide a more cinematic experience. The A9G checked that box.
(2) Hobby – I just like to buy new gear every so often for change of pace. For example, I also got a UB9000 player to replace my Oppo 203 for no reason even though it’s been flawless 😊

The pros and cons of each are as expected, but nowhere near as apart as people make it seem on the forums. Likely because the Z9D is in a class of its own from an LCD perspective so it’s biggest shortcoming vs OLED is almost negligible (I've had people think they were watching an OLED). It feels more like a lateral move with a tilt towards upgrade due to sleeker design, bigger size, snappier OS, and perfect black.

One thing I was worried about with the OLED was brightness during daytime watching, but that turned out to be OK. Of course, I wouldn’t do critical viewing in day time anyway.

The OLED still delivers impressive punch, and the colors are noticeably better and deeper. Motion is a tick better too (although more 24p stutter vs more blurring on the Z).
I'm about to order the 77A9G for my living room setup and I'm keeping my 65Z9D in my bedroom. I just love the 65Z9D for TV watching and being LCD give you the freedom to watch whatever you want without the worry about possible burn in. The 77A9G in the living room is mostly for movies and occasional baseball games and Formula 1 races during the weekends. The 77A9G is replacing a Sony VW295ES 4K projector which I sold due to poor blacks after get spoiled by the Z9D blacks and not optimal room conditions as I hate to watch movies in a totally dark room.
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I'm about to order the 77A9G for my living room setup and I'm keeping my 65Z9D in my bedroom. I just love the 65Z9D for TV watching and being LCD give you the freedom to watch whatever you want without the worry about possible burn in. The 77A9G in the living room is mostly for movies and occasional baseball games and Formula 1 races during the weekends. The 77A9G is replacing a Sony VW295ES 4K projector which I sold due to poor blacks after get spoiled by the Z9D blacks and not optimal room conditions as I hate to watch movies in a totally dark room.

The Z9D is very special for a LCD TV which we’ve owned since 2016, but with our viewing habits which is watching movies in a dark room, our A9F is better, IMO. That being said, if we watched a lot of sports and TV with opaque logos in a bright room, I would much prefer the Z9D. BTW, we are still waiting for our new 77” A9G to arrive which should be soon.

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So I bought A9G as I primarily watch TV at night in a dark room. One of the reasons I went with OLED is it’️s second name, best” for dark room.
Well, what I found out is that there’️s some nasty and distracting flashing when some scenes change and there are a dozen of near black frames used as transition. Google taught me it is called near black chrominance.

Is this a non fixable issue? I am thinking of returning the TV. Motion is great so it’️s going to be a tough call.

EDIT: So I remembered there’s also Netflix app on Sony TV (I am using Apple TV 4k). Well, no flashing there at all. Is that an Apple TV bug or Sony is doing some trickery with its native Netflix app?

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I going to let those who own the set + ATV 4K to chime in but if I recall, there was a flickering bug with ATV 4K and Sony 4K projectors mostly because movies on iTunes and Netflix are Dolby Vision and 4K projectors are HDR10 so the conversion from Dolby Vision to HDR10 on the ATV 4K was causing flickering with some, not all, iTunes movies and some Netflix shows. I had a Sony 295ES 4K projector and never had the flickering bug issue and I hope not getting it with the 77A9G as the ATV 4K is my primary streaming source. I don't use at all TVs internal apps. In fact, I turn OFF everything CEC or ARC related to avoid HDMI handshake issues. Also make sure Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate are ON in ATV 4K.

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So I bought A9G as I primarily watch TV at night in a dark room. One of the reasons I went with OLED is it’️s second name, best” for dark room.
Well, what I found out is that there’️s some nasty and distracting flashing when some scenes change and there are a dozen of near black frames used as transition. Google taught me it is called near black chrominance.

Is this a non fixable issue? I am thinking of returning the TV. Motion is great so it’️s going to be a tough call.

EDIT: So I remembered there’s also Netflix app on Sony TV (I am using Apple TV 4k). Well, no flashing there at all. Is that an Apple TV bug or Sony is doing some trickery with its native Netflix app?
The times ive encountered near black flashing was with Appletv4k, with 1080p material that was upscaled by appletv.
If i set appletv resolution to 1080p and 60hz (without match framerate) it basically went away - but ye the internal apps i have no problem with, i think one reason is they are run at 60hz

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So I bought A9G as I primarily watch TV at night in a dark room. One of the reasons I went with OLED is it’️s second name, best” for dark room.
Well, what I found out is that there’️s some nasty and distracting flashing when some scenes change and there are a dozen of near black frames used as transition. Google taught me it is called near black chrominance.

Is this a non fixable issue? I am thinking of returning the TV. Motion is great so it’️s going to be a tough call.

EDIT: So I remembered there’️s also Netflix app on Sony TV (I am using Apple TV 4k). Well, no flashing there at all. Is that an Apple TV bug or Sony is doing some trickery with its native Netflix app?
The times ive encountered near black flashing was with Appletv4k, with 1080p material that was upscaled by appletv.
If i set appletv resolution to 1080p and 60hz (without match framerate) it basically went away - but ye the internal apps i have no problem with, i think one reason is they are run at 60hz
I have now disabled Match Dynamic Range, and the near black flickering is gone. I kept the Match Frame rate on.
I hope this works out and I don’t need to return the TV 🙂
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I have now disabled Match Dynamic Range, and the near black flickering is gone. I kept the Match Frame rate on.
I hope this works out and I don’t need to return the TV 🙂
Could you please share which movie/show on Netflix and the time where the flickering occurs to check in my system? Also others with ATV 4K can check as well.

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I have now disabled Match Dynamic Range, and the near black flickering is gone. I kept the Match Frame rate on.
I hope this works out and I don’t need to return the TV 🙂
Why would you return the TV when you know the ATV4K is the issue? That doesn't make a lot of sense..............
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I was not rushing to do the firmware update. But the A9G did it on its own last night. Hopefully there will be no issues since the last thing I want to do is a factory reset on my professionally calibrated display.

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I had the flashing with ATV with my 77 a9g and found that keeping match dynamic range and un checking frame rate got rid of the issue.

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I had the flashing with ATV with my 77 a9g and found that keeping match dynamic range and un checking frame rate got rid of the issue.
same thing here - but the flashing only happens with 1080p content with "soso" bitrate

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I tried using the A9G as a center channel with my Denon x3600h and HTD Level 3 speakers. The results were not good. Even after rerunning Audyssey, the center channel audio just didn't sound right. The other weird thing is that Audyssey threw an error saying the center channel was out of phase, when I know it was wired correctly. It also thought the center channel was almost 25 ft. from my listening area. The room isn't even that big. I tweaked it with manual settings but it didn't make a difference. So I'm sticking with my dedicated center channel speaker. Oh well.

And I agree with you about the clips. They don't work well for anything larger than 18-20 gauge wire.
The phase problem and distance are almost certainly due to the fact the TV has to sample the speaker input and process it to generate the control signals for the transducers. It is not a plain analog speaker cone being moved after all. That slight delay would be picked up by audyssey as the speaker being further away and the sound having to travel that distance to explain the delay. If I calculated it right, 25 ft would be about 1/50th of a second. That does sound a tad slow for sampling and processing an audio signal, I would have expected a bit better than that.

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Hello Sony OLED owners

My 6 years old Sony XBR-65X900A has been developing permanent horizontal lines since the beginning of 2019, especially noticeable during 3D movie play.

My plan is to replace it with the 77" Sony A9G OLED TV.
Can you share your experience and knowledge of the set?
Do OLED sets have any chance to develop permanent horizontal lines over time also?

Thank you for your feedback.

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The phase problem and distance are almost certainly due to the fact the TV has to sample the speaker input and process it to generate the control signals for the transducers. It is not a plain analog speaker cone being moved after all. That slight delay would be picked up by audyssey as the speaker being further away and the sound having to travel that distance to explain the delay. If I calculated it right, 25 ft would be about 1/50th of a second. That does sound a tad slow for sampling and processing an audio signal, I would have expected a bit better than that.
I just went back to using my regular center channel speaker, but thanks for the explanation.
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The phase problem and distance are almost certainly due to the fact the TV has to sample the speaker input and process it to generate the control signals for the transducers. It is not a plain analog speaker cone being moved after all. That slight delay would be picked up by audyssey as the speaker being further away and the sound having to travel that distance to explain the delay. If I calculated it right, 25 ft would be about 1/50th of a second. That does sound a tad slow for sampling and processing an audio signal, I would have expected a bit better than that.
I'm having the phase problem as well and its showing 26 feet away. Should I change it?

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The phase problem and distance are almost certainly due to the fact the TV has to sample the speaker input and process it to generate the control signals for the transducers. It is not a plain analog speaker cone being moved after all. That slight delay would be picked up by audyssey as the speaker being further away and the sound having to travel that distance to explain the delay. If I calculated it right, 25 ft would be about 1/50th of a second. That does sound a tad slow for sampling and processing an audio signal, I would have expected a bit better than that.
I'm having the phase problem as well and its showing 26 feet away. Should I change it?

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You guys recommend adjusting "peak luminence" or "brightness" to adjust brightness at night for example if you want lower light output

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You guys recommend adjusting "peak luminence" or "brightness" to adjust brightness at night for example if you want lower light output
I would adjust Brightness. Peak Luminence should stay at "high" for HDR, and likely "medium" for SDR (which is default).

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I’ve been having some very, very subtle lip syncing issues with Netflix on my A9G. Tried using the TV’s speakers and AVR. Same issue. It was never a concern until I upgraded to their 4K/UHD plan. The results with my TV app and BD player app are the same. I thought maybe it was a Netflix issue, but it’s fine on my iPhone X and Macbook Pro.

I’m wondering if it’s my Internet speed. I currently do get 4K streamed, but the listed speed when I check playback info is about 15mbps. No video issues at this speed.

Maybe it’s time to upgrade my Internet plan or could it be something else?

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I’ve been having some very, very subtle lip syncing issues with Netflix on my A9G. Tried using the TV’s speakers and AVR. Same issue. It was never a concern until I upgraded to their 4K/UHD plan. The results with my TV app and BD player app are the same. I thought maybe it was a Netflix issue, but it’s fine on my iPhone X and Macbook Pro.

I’m wondering if it’s my Internet speed. I currently do get 4K streamed, but the listed speed when I check playback info is about 15mbps. No video issues at this speed.

Maybe it’s time to upgrade my Internet plan or could it be something else?

Disc playing is perfect. No issues whatsoever.


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It is normal with Netflix 4K/HDR and DV content. I get the same with ATV 4K Netflix app and Sony Z9D. BTW, I have Xfinity Interned with 400Mbps download speed.

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It is normal with Netflix 4K/HDR and DV content. I get the same with ATV 4K Netflix app and Sony Z9D. BTW, I have Xfinity Interned with 400Mbps download speed.

I’m sorry, what’s normal? Subtle lip sync issues? Or the speed that I’m getting?


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I’m sorry, what’s normal? Subtle lip sync issues? Or the speed that I’m getting?


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Both I believe - I think Netflix only streams at 15 mbps and I have seen occasional lip sync issues as well

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I don't have any lip sync issues with the internal Netflix app, using ARC to my Oppo 205 which in turn is connected to my preamp. Also no lip sync when watching live TV, or discs on my Oppo. I have had lip sync issues when watching TV programs from my DVR.

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The lip sync issues are very very subtle. My girlfriend doesn’t even notice them but I notice that something is off especially when I compare it to watching on another device.

I would just go back to my old 1080P Netflix plan but I would want to know for sure that that’s what the issue is.


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No lip sync issues on my end. I have all the HDMI controls and sync stuff enabled.
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No lip sync issues on my end. I have all the HDMI controls and sync stuff enabled.

I logged into my gf’s account, which is a Standard 1080p plan and it seems to be in sync now. So maybe it just doesn’t like my Yamaha AVR. Which is a 2015 model.

I am more of a disc guy anyway, so 1080p Netflix is fine for its occasional usage. Maybe after a few more firmware upgrades, I’ll experiment with it again down the road. I’ll be upgrading the Yamaha next year anyway due to a lack of DV support.

I’m extremely sensitive to lip-sync and even if it’s off just the slightest, I immediately notice it. She thought it was fine on both. Who knows.


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