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So if anything else switches to HDR mode does that also run in game mode or do you not have any other devices that use HDR yet?

I still don't see how the LG could do the right thing in this setup (not saying it doesn't, I just don't see how it could unless I am missing something).
The LG remembers like all TVs should. But it’s still in game mode if I watch an HDR BluRay. So I have to switch to another HDR mode if I want to. So in this way how it remembers it’s still not ALLM.
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The LG remembers like all TVs should. But it’s still in game mode if I watch an HDR BluRay. So I have to switch to another HDR mode if I want to. So in this way how it remembers it’s still not ALLM.
I am pretty sure the Sony will do that too (I haven't ever used game mode myself when gaming, I do everything in video playback mode). Each mode has a setting on a given HDMI port. SDR, HDR and DV. It remembers what you set in each mode. What people usually would like is for it to switch to game mode when gaming and out of gaming mode when not gaming, and when going through an AVR and sharing one HDMI input, that doesn't happen on any TV (except with ALLM support).

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I am pretty sure the Sony will do that too (I haven't ever used game mode myself when gaming, I do everything in video playback mode). Each mode has a setting on a given HDMI port. SDR, HDR and DV. It remembers what you set in each mode. What people usually would like is for it to switch to game mode when gaming and out of gaming mode when not gaming, and when going through an AVR and sharing one HDMI input, that doesn't happen on any TV (except with ALLM support).
It happens on my LG and I’m not using ALLM. It goes back to dark expert when I close the HDR game. It if I open say Netflix which loads in HDR the tv is in HDR game cus it remembers the last time it was in HDR. So it’s not ALLM. If it was it would as you know only go to game mode for games regardless of hdr. And when not in a game it will be in the non game setting. But my LG stays in HDR game regardless of content. If it’s HDR it’s game mode. Unless I change it.

The Sony I tried last year was I think the 8f. It would not do what it should like the LG. I had to manually change it no matter what every time I played and then go back to tv watching. It did not remember anything.
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Hi, been lurking for a while just created an account today.

I just bought the A9G and am looking for a mount that can pull about 12+inches and swivel. Are there any recommendations for mounts that would fit the A9G?
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Hi, been lurking for a while just created an account today.

I just bought the A9G and am looking for a mount that can pull about 12+inches and swivel. Are there any recommendations for mounts that would fit the A9G?
Sony sells the SU-WL855 for it but I'm not sure it swivels? I just bought a flush-mount Sanus.

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To be safe, you should assume that the A9G will behave like the A8F in terms of changing picture settings, as that is how all recent Sony TVs behave.
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Folks, let me tell you that the 2019 panels are not much better with screen uniformity than 2018 best I can tell so far. If you purchase an OLED you still need to accept the fact that you will see some magenta tinting with content with certain colors near the edges if you start looking for it but you should be able to get a set with minimal banding which shouldn't be plainly visible with content. This is just the way OLED is right now. Banding is minimal enough that it will dissipate as you put time on the TV and the panel's pixels randomize. So far I've seen this on the Sony's and the LG's since they use the same panel and you can open and look at 10 sets, for example, and there is no "hidden" one that's perfect. The only observation is the 55's have less issues than the 65's but that's always been the case over the years.

At the end of the day, LCDs also have their own uniformity issues but with OLED you get an outstanding picture with near perfect blacks which will overshadow any technological screen uniformity issues. From my experience, once you understand this, you begin to focus on the center of the screen as you watch TV and you brain tends to compensate for these anomalies.

I expect screen uniformity to be an issue until LG Display makes more significant advancements in their panel technology.
Thanks for that clarification, I agree that the benefits of OLED outweighs this. And i’m not looking for a perfect screen here, just one that’s acceptable. I have noticed huge improvements from the A1E panels to the C8 panels so I’m hoping it will be the same for the A9G. I also know that panel lotto is always a factor and that people can be tempted to just keep rolling the dice in hopes to get something better.

 

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Sony sells the SU-WL855 for it but I'm not sure it swivels? I just bought a flush-mount Sanus.
It does swivel, but I'm not sure it pulls out 12+ inches ...
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Is the IMAX Enhanced feature on these master series oleds a user selectable option, like the netflix calibrated mode? As in can it be toggled on or off when watching an imax enhanced movie?
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Hi, been lurking for a while just created an account today.

I just bought the A9G and am looking for a mount that can pull about 12+inches and swivel. Are there any recommendations for mounts that would fit the A9G?
I picked up the Sanus BLF228-B1 from Best Buy for my Sony A9F.

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Thanks for that clarification, I agree that the benefits of OLED outweighs this. And i’m not looking for a perfect screen here, just one that’s acceptable. I have noticed huge improvements from the A1E panels to the C8 panels so I’m hoping it will be the same for the A9G. I also know that panel lotto is always a factor and that people can be tempted to just keep rolling the dice in hopes to get something better.
Based off all the panels I've seen in stores and my house, the 2019 panels are a step back from 2018 on tinting, but better on gray uniformity.
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Is it possible to merge https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-sony-a9g.html thread with this thread?
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Given this thread is "owner's only" I would rather hope not.
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Based off all the panels I've seen in stores and my house, the 2019 panels are a step back from 2018 on tinting, but better on gray uniformity.
What ive been reading on another board is that all these 2019 panels arent any new panels, they are just re-tweaked 2018 panels. And that's for the 55 and 65" sizes. The 77" panels are unchanged.
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What ive been reading on another board is that all these 2019 panels arent any new panels, they are just re-tweaked 2018 panels. And that's for the 55 and 65" sizes. The 77" panels are unchanged.
And what is a 'tweaked' panel? 2019 panels have a clearly distinct pixel structure ...
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And what is a 'tweaked' panel? 2019 panels have a clearly distinct pixel structure
Tweaking means small changes made, and i wasnt talking in respect to small subpixel differences that some scans out there show, i was talking in respect to panel uniformity. Far as uniformity goes, no real improvements from 2018. And somebody above claiming that on the 2019s tinting got worse but banding improved, we don't have enough sample size/ data (yet) to make a conclusion like that.
To people to whom uniformity is the issue that's been holding them back from getting an oled, well unfortunately it's still the same panel lottery.
And im convinced until lg display makes changes at the manufacturing level of these oled panels (like moving away from deposition to IJP), these uniformity issues wont go away.
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I can tell you so far the tinting on the A9Gs and the C9s are exactly the same probably because they are coming that way from LG Display. We are trying to find out what's causing it but I doubt we will get an answer and or any fix. The problem with the 2019's is moist of the time tinting on full white is pretty hard to see unless it's really bad and we would send those sets back, but with certain colors, it's more pronounced.

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Tweaking means small changes made, and i wasnt talking in respect to small subpixel differences that some scans out there show, i was talking in respect to panel uniformity. Far as uniformity goes, no real improvements from 2018. And somebody above claiming that on the 2019s tinting got worse but banding improved, we don't have enough sample size/ data (yet) to make a conclusion like that.
To people to whom uniformity is the issue that's been holding them back from getting an oled, well unfortunately it's still the same panel lottery.
And im convinced until lg display makes changes at the manufacturing level of these oled panels (like moving away from deposition to IJP), these uniformity issues wont go away.
So I don’t want to turn this into a uniformity discussion thread but the 77’’ A1E uses a much older LG OLED panel then the 77” A9G will. I would hope to think I can expect some improved uniformly in regards to the vertical banding seen on the A1E.

 

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Yes banding is better on the newer sets for sure. I very very rarely see any panels with the crazy dark jail bars like we used to see.

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What ive been reading on another board is that all these 2019 panels arent any new panels, they are just re-tweaked 2018 panels. And that's for the 55 and 65" sizes. The 77" panels are unchanged.
Sony only made one 77’’ OLED and it was the A1E. I would be overwhelmingly shocked to find out that Sony’s new 77” A9G Master Series is using the same LG OLED panel back from 2016.
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I can tell you so far the tinting on the A9Gs and the C9s are exactly the same probably because they are coming that way from LG Display.
You mean tinting when you run a full field white or that magenta like tint on the panel when the tv is off?
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I can tell you so far the tinting on the A9Gs and the C9s are exactly the same probably because they are coming that way from LG Display.
You mean tinting when you run a full field white or that magenta like tint on the panel when the tv is off?
Tint on 100% white is not too pronounced unless it’s bad. It really comes through on earth tones. We aren’t taking about when to is off, that’s irrelevant.
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All this uniformity talk has me expecting the worst.

I dismissed two B6s, an A1E, and an A9F - all because of poor uniformity that was visible in more content than I was willing to tolerate - especially for the price. I never noticed any tint on any of those panels.

My A9G will be here Friday. It won’t be perfect, but I am hoping it will at least be acceptable. If not, I won’t think twice about returning it and sitting on the sidelines for another year.


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Jref , when you calibrate, can you check that the OOTB whitepoint on the a9g is still the judd modified WP rather than D65? The a9f had the judd WP because sony tunes their master series panels to resemble their BVM X300 oled monitor, could you check if that continues to remain the case with the a9g?
It is the same as last year.
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All this uniformity talk has me expecting the worst.

I dismissed two B6s, an A1E, and an A9F - all because of poor uniformity that was visible in more content than I was willing to tolerate - especially for the price. I never noticed any tint on any of those panels.

My A9G will be here Friday. It won’t be perfect, but I am hoping it will at least be acceptable. If not, I won’t think twice about returning it and sitting on the sidelines for another year.


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For both my 77” A1E’s I also didn’t notice any tint. However I’m not as concerned about the tint as I am about those vertical lines. We should be realistic here, we can’t expect a perfect panel that just not going to happen.

 

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I was checking some settings using the Spears and Munsil BR disc,2nd edition and I found that there is a significant increase in color banding as seen on this RGB ramp. Here’s some photos with the advanced contrast enhancer set to low, med and high. It gets progressively worse. Off looks good though. Calibrators....thoughts?
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I was checking some setting using the S&M BR disc Ed.2 and I found that there is a significant increase in color banding
as seen on this RGB ramp with the adv contrast enhancer set to low,med or high. It gets progressively worse. Off looks good. Calibrators....thoughts?
Yes ACE should always be set to OFF.
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I was checking some settings using the Spears and Munsil BR disc,2nd edition and I found that there is a significant increase in color banding as seen on this RGB ramp. Here’s some photos with the advanced contrast enhancer set to low, med and high. It gets progressively worse. Off looks good though. Calibrators....thoughts?
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