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Does anyone have a list of the preferred settings - or do you use the suggestions from rratings?
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Your best plan of action would be to get the display professionally calibrated. That said, AVS member and highly respected professional calibrator D-Nice has posted some suggested settings for the A9G here.
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Any hints of a US price drop soon-ish?
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Any hints of a US price drop soon-ish?
Last year in the US, the A9F didn't have a price drop until close to the A9G launch. I wouldn't hold your breath, but you can pay less than MSRP if you shop around.
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Last year in the US, the A9F didn't have a price drop until close to the A9G launch. I wouldn't hold your breath, but you can pay less than MSRP if you shop around.
I just need it to come down a bit more for the WAF. I was hoping the pressure from recent LG price drops would also force Sony’s hand.
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I just need it to come down a bit more for the WAF. I was hoping the pressure from recent LG price drops would also force Sony’s hand.
I was hoping the same thing! My guess is LG has a better margin as Sony probably pays LG a premium for the Oled panels.

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I just need it to come down a bit more for the WAF. I was hoping the pressure from recent LG price drops would also force Sony’s hand.
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I was hoping the same thing! My guess is LG has a better margin as Sony probably pays LG a premium for the Oled panels.
If you shop around you will get very good deals from Sony Top A authorized dealers even with 36 months financing way below MSRP

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Did you try unplugging both the A9G and DirectTV box? I had a problem with a white line on the left side of my A9F when watching 4K movies off my Panasonic UB9000. Sony CS said it was static electricity between the two units. Unplugging eliminated the line. Worth a try.
Tried. At first it was gone... but then minutes later returned..thx for the suggestion.
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I just need it to come down a bit more for the WAF. I was hoping the pressure from recent LG price drops would also force Sony’s hand.
Again, last year, despite repeated LG price drops, Sony maintained its price until the new model was coming out. And as I and others have already stated, you don't have to pay MSRP if you shop around.

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Ok, so I've been owning this TV for eleven days, and noticed there is something like veiling flare in the left upper corner. It is also visible in the left lower corner, but it doesn't draw too much attention.
I have just taken a photo of it, and while in the photo it appears there is huge spot in the bottom middle I am not noticing it while watching TV for some reason. However, that upper left corner, when there are near black scene cuts it immediately draws my attention. So much that even in regular scenes as soon as there is something dark in that corner I am trying to see if it is noticeable or not. It is, but very subtle. As I bought the TV at Best Buy I only have three more days to try to replace it.

What do you think, anyone else with such corner?
Will this go away or I should try to replace it? The TV has some 30 hours. I mostly watch in dark environment, Dolby Vision Dark, brightness between 10-25, so not sure if that matters as I've read it could get better with time. Yet, not sure if that's true.
I have increased exposition for second photo. This is what the corner actually looks like, but in that second photo the middle and bottom of the screen is horrible to, yet not so with my eyes. Just trying to depict what the left upper corner looks like, and second photo is a better representation of it.
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Eh. 2% black is always going to look funky on these things. Any content mastered just above black has always been its biggest weakness.

You could try a swap, but no guarantee it will be better.


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My first 77 from Best Buy had some inconsistencies like your panel was showing and I just couldn’t live with it so i did an exchange. My second one had much better uniformity and was a keeper. It’s no guarantee but in my mind a replacement could not have been worse so I went with the exchange.

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That’s what I am afraid of &#x1f61e;

It’s a great TV otherwise, and not noticeable when watching a content, but in dark room when the scene cuts from one to another with few “black” frames it looks as in the old LCD TVs when the backlight would bleed.
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That’s what I am afraid of &#x1f61e;

It’s a great TV otherwise, and not noticeable when watching a content, but in dark room when the scene cuts from one to another with few “black” frames it looks as in the old LCD TVs when the backlight would bleed.
Oled are not supposed to be with perfect black ?!
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Oled are not supposed to be with perfect black ?!
Test patterns make the TV do weird things; that doesn't occur (nor is noticeable at least) in real content from a disc.

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Oled are not supposed to be with perfect black ?!

Perfect black? Yeah. When it’s true/zero black.

Just above black? Not so much.


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Ok, so I've been owning this TV for eleven days, and noticed there is something like veiling flare in the left upper corner. It is also visible in the left lower corner, but it doesn't draw too much attention.
I have just taken a photo of it, and while in the photo it appears there is huge spot in the bottom middle I am not noticing it while watching TV for some reason. However, that upper left corner, when there are near black scene cuts it immediately draws my attention. So much that even in regular scenes as soon as there is something dark in that corner I am trying to see if it is noticeable or not. It is, but very subtle. As I bought the TV at Best Buy I only have three more days to try to replace it.

What do you think, anyone else with such corner?
Will this go away or I should try to replace it? The TV has some 30 hours. I mostly watch in dark environment, Dolby Vision Dark, brightness between 10-25, so not sure if that matters as I've read it could get better with time. Yet, not sure if that's true.
I have increased exposition for second photo. This is what the corner actually looks like, but in that second photo the middle and bottom of the screen is horrible to, yet not so with my eyes. Just trying to depict what the left upper corner looks like, and second photo is a better representation of it.

Your 3%-5% uniformity looks no worse than that of my A9G and I would say your 5% is probably above average given its lack of banding. You will probably be disappointed if you expect your next set to be significantly better.
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Ok, so I've been owning this TV for eleven days, and noticed there is something like veiling flare in the left upper corner. It is also visible in the left lower corner, but it doesn't draw too much attention.
I have just taken a photo of it, and while in the photo it appears there is huge spot in the bottom middle I am not noticing it while watching TV for some reason. However, that upper left corner, when there are near black scene cuts it immediately draws my attention. So much that even in regular scenes as soon as there is something dark in that corner I am trying to see if it is noticeable or not. It is, but very subtle. As I bought the TV at Best Buy I only have three more days to try to replace it.

What do you think, anyone else with such corner?
Will this go away or I should try to replace it? The TV has some 30 hours. I mostly watch in dark environment, Dolby Vision Dark, brightness between 10-25, so not sure if that matters as I've read it could get better with time. Yet, not sure if that's true.
I have increased exposition for second photo. This is what the corner actually looks like, but in that second photo the middle and bottom of the screen is horrible to, yet not so with my eyes. Just trying to depict what the left upper corner looks like, and second photo is a better representation of it.
Why are you looking at less than 5%? At the beginning of this Thread, (no one ever reads the beginning, too much good info there), D-Nice reported and I confirmed that these set are not linear less than 5% at best. Just the way Oled's are, no way around it.

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I'm not a Sony owner but I got a Panasonic Oled this week with a very similar problem. Sure, none of the Oleds are anywhere perfect in that range and there can be huge variations with these panels in the near-black range and if one gets a particularly bad one that gives you the edge-lit LCD look during dark scenes why shouldn't they return it??

Completely ignoring the below 5% range and just accepting it no matter how bad it is, is ludicrous. It's the most important range and the one with the highest panel to panel variations.
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Completely ignoring the below 5% range and just accepting it no matter how bad it is, is ludicrous. It's the most important range and the one with the highest panel to panel variations.
Correct. I care more about the 2-3% stimuli range than any other low end point when it comes to accepting or rejecting a TV. All OLEDs are not uniform in this range but reverse vignetting in the corners is, IMO, unacceptable and the TV should be returned.
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Correct. I care more about the 2-3% stimuli range than any other low end point when it comes to accepting or rejecting a TV. All OLEDs are not uniform in this range but reverse vignetting in the corners is, IMO, unacceptable and the TV should be returned.
I have decided to keep it as with checking other OLED reports it is really a lottery, and I could end up with a worse sample then I have. One thing I noticed was that I had my settings too bright in my dark room. When the scene cuts, one should really see a black frame, not grey so I reduced Black level from 50 to 47 and it is not noticeable anymore.
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To all A9G and Apple TV owners, please read.

I have just watched this video:
and send out a mail to Sony.
Could all of you who own the set send a mail requesting for this to be fixed, please? I hope if there are many reports Sony would do something about it.

Thanks and cheers!!!
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I have started a new thread for this, but hopefully posting it here too will reach to more users:

This is the thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post58561370
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Sony will probably defer to Dolby and Apple. Dolby will probably defer to Sony and Apple. Apple will probably defer to Sony and Dolby.

Who knows who's really responsible.

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I have just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqH1...68571595811704 and send out a mail to Sony.
Could all of you who own the set send a mail requesting for this to be fixed, please? I hope if there are many reports Sony would do something about it.

Thanks and cheers!!!
I can not replicate what is shown in this video. Two items that concern me are the light sensor is in the on position (even though it is grayed out) and the source equipment is running through a Denon receiver. Anyone who thinks their DV is dim, are you running your sources through a receiver? If so, what brand/model?
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Anyone who thinks their DV is dim, are you running your sources through a receiver? If so, what brand/model?
I run the Apple TV directly to HDMI 2 port and enhancements are turned on.
Let me put it this way. I have the Dolby Vision turned on for all content type on Apple TV. When I play SDR Apple will map it to Dolby Vision and the brightness is ok (same as if I had option to Match Content Type set to On). So in this case, whatever Sony receives is displayed ok. However, if the content itself is Dolby Vision then there is no mapping and Sony darkens it a lot. If one tries to scroll through the video that small window actually shows correct brightness, but full screen is dim. None of the Apple TV users report this with other brands so I would say it is up to Sony, not Apple TV.
My current workaround is that I use Dolby Vision Bright for DV content and Dolby Vision Dark for DV content. Yet, Sony should fix this. I will take few screenshots when I get back home.
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I run the Apple TV directly to HDMI 2 port and enhancements are turned on.
Let me put it this way. I have the Dolby Vision turned on for all content type on Apple TV. When I play SDR Apple will map it to Dolby Vision and the brightness is ok (same as if I had option to Match Content Type set to On). So in this case, whatever Sony receives is displayed ok. However, if the content itself is Dolby Vision then there is no mapping and Sony darkens it a lot. If one tries to scroll through the video that small window actually shows correct brightness, but full screen is dim. None of the Apple TV users report this with other brands so I would say it is up to Sony, not Apple TV.
My current workaround is that I use Dolby Vision Bright for DV content and Dolby Vision Dark for DV content. Yet, Sony should fix this. I will take few screenshots when I get back home.
How do you have your Apple TV setup(the video output settings)? If you are the creator of that video, you need to turn that light sensor setting off. There had been a bug with that particular setting where it does not disable itself even though the setting may be grayed out.
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I run the Apple TV directly to HDMI 2 port and enhancements are turned on.
Let me put it this way. I have the Dolby Vision turned on for all content type on Apple TV. When I play SDR Apple will map it to Dolby Vision and the brightness is ok (same as if I had option to Match Content Type set to On). So in this case, whatever Sony receives is displayed ok. However, if the content itself is Dolby Vision then there is no mapping and Sony darkens it a lot. If one tries to scroll through the video that small window actually shows correct brightness, but full screen is dim. None of the Apple TV users report this with other brands so I would say it is up to Sony, not Apple TV.
My current workaround is that I use Dolby Vision Bright for DV content and Dolby Vision Dark for DV content. Yet, Sony should fix this. I will take few screenshots when I get back home.
No it does not prove it is Sony. Only Sony uses DV profile 5, so Apple could have a bug in their Sony DV processing that does not show up with other tv makes. Also is the Denon connected to a high bandwidth HDMI input 2 or 3. If so it proves it is Apple since there is no way Sony has any difference between hdmi 2 and 3 inputs (although you can have these setup differently via the menu). By the way I do notice this on my AF8 and ATV so I usually watch Netflix on the Panny 820. The dimming is not as bad as on the video but note the AF8 does not have a DV dark and DV bright setting, just one DV setting.
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H If you are the creator of that video, you need to turn that light sensor setting off.
I am not the author, but share his opinion on this topic. Your comment about DV profile also makes sense. The guy who made a video also pointed out he had not issues when Netflix DV was used through Panasonic BR.
Is there a way we can tell which DV Profiles each device support?
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