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post #31 of 53 Old 08-05-2019, 02:16 AM
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I just don't see this thing being a dual layer. That would have headlined the announcement if it were the case. They went through the trouble of acting like a blue backlight/QD combo was something new and revolutionary, there's simply no way they glossed over this being the first dual layer display that didn't cost as much as a new car. Also, the backlight cooling is in-line with the other FALD monitors out there.

Also, LG is making this panel, not Apple. So I don't imagine Apples patents would even be coming into play here. Even the picture with the breakdown of the panel layers didn't make it look like the light shaping layer was anything close to per-pixel accuracy. I mean what about this image indicates a dual layer design?

https://i.imgur.com/LiVZPIF.png

The 1,000,000:1 contrast claim can easily be explained by the bogus VESA HDR standard of contrast measurement, which would be a tiny white window in the center for peak brightness while measuring black at the edge of the display.

I will eat my hat if it turns out to be dual-layer tech.

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Not sure where all this dual layer talk came from. Apple even showed an exploded view of the monitor, it is NOT dual layer. It's a simple IPS LCD with FALD that has light bleed zone buffers like Samsung has done. That's it.
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Vincent mentions the XDR display in this video, and calls it a dual layer.


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Vincent mentions the XDR display in this video, and calls it a dual layer.
I doubt he has any inside information and he has made incorrect assumptions before.

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Vincent mentions the XDR display in this video, and calls it a dual layer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ee74qdPcmY
Vincent is great, but Apple is not a company I would imagine he has any insider contacts with.
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Vincent is great, but Apple is not a company I would imagine he has any insider contacts with.
Only Vincent can shed light on the source(s) of his statement. For argument's sake, even if he doesn't have a direct relationship with Apple, it's easy to imagine he is on good terms with many in the pro industry who would be in a position to know - folks at Technicolor, Calman and even other display makers like Sony and Panasonic. The Apple monitor will be on sale soon enough so speculation will be replaced soon with facts.
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Only Vincent can shed light on the source(s) of his statement. For argument's sake, even if he doesn't have a direct relationship with Apple, it's easy to imagine he is on good terms with many in the pro industry who would be in a position to know - folks at Technicolor, Calman and even other display makers like Sony and Panasonic. The Apple monitor will be on sale soon enough so speculation will be replaced soon with facts.
Like the rest of us Vincent is human so he also makes mistakes...and it looks like he made a mistake here.
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You can go right here and see a breakdown of the display and all its layers. It's not dual-layer. I don't know why this debate is persisting.
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You can go right here and see a breakdown of the display and all its layers. It's not dual-layer. I don't know why this debate is persisting.
Your link takes you to the Apple page that has this promotional copy on it:




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"Light is mixed and shaped. For even greater control of light, each LED is treated with a reflective layer, a highly customized lens, and a geometrically optimized reflector that are all unique to Pro Display XDR. Through a pioneering design, light is reflected, mixed and shaped between two layers [emphasis added] to minimize blooming and provide uniform lighting."
Is that dual layer? This is marketing mumbo jumbo so it's not clear what this really means but maybe this is Apple's version of dual layer LCD tech. The comment Vincent has under his review of the Sony BVM-HX310 is: "We understand that the Hisense U9 and the upcoming Apple Pro Display XDR 6K monitor will also be using dual-layer LCD technology, although not the exact same one found on the BVM-HX310."

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Your link takes you to the Apple page that has this promotional copy on it:
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Is that dual layer? This is marketing mumbo jumbo so it's not clear what this really means but maybe this is Apple's version of dual layer LCD tech.
Both the image and the text are actually very clear.
They describe a full-array PCB backlight with reduced bleeding.


This is the 4th quality-wise tier of local-dimming implementations. The first three being be edge-lit, LED strip backlit, and PCB based full-array backlit. The next tier is reduced bleeding, achieved by adding either cellular dividers or a custom-shaped diffuser that restricts each LED to a limited area, rather than distribute it evenly, like a regular flat diffuser. "A highly customized lens" and a "geometrically optimized reflector" is a specific description indicating it's the second type of reduced-bleeding technology.


It also points to a dual-LCD panel being extremely unlikely for this display. It makes no sense to combine the most complicated local dimming option with a dual-LCD panel. Local dimming is used in dual-layer LCD to reduce power consumption, which is a problem there, and full-array does save power over edge-lit. But reduced bleeding just does nothing. The contrast ratio of any dual-LCD is good enough to suppress the bleeding completely all on its own. This is especially the case considering it's a monitor, not a TV.


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The comment Vincent has under his review of the Sony BVM-HX310 is: "We understand that the Hisense U9 and the upcoming Apple Pro Display XDR 6K monitor will also be using dual-layer LCD technology, although not the exact same one found on the BVM-HX310."
Note the amount of uncertainty in the statement. "We understand that..." is used precisely to express doubt and indicate that it's only an educated assumption.

Apple marketed a slightly-better-than-average pixel density as "retina displays", now it's marketing a monitor stand with a magnet like it's the second coming of Steven Jobs. There's no way they could have put a technology as exotic as a dual-LCD panel into a display and not cry about it on every corner. The company is almost physically incapable of doing that.
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Here's another image showing the layers:



It seems to me if it was using LMCL (dual layer LCD) they wouldn't be shy to talk about it. As it is, it looks like regular FALD with some extra work put into keeping the zones neatly segregated.
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Exactly. If this were a dual-layer design, it would have headlined Apples talking points.
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I will be curious to see how this Apple display compares to the new Asus 32UCX.

The Asus will handle Dolby Vision and retail around $4k...with stand included...lol.

https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ProArt-PA32UCX/

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I will be curious to see how this Apple display compares to the new Asus 32UCX.
I'll be quite surprised if they're not made by the same OEM on the same production line.

That said, Asus are amateurs in comparison. Sure they can make a $4K display, but till you sell a $1K stand, you've got no game.
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The ASUS looks like a nice alternative. Compared to the Apple display It's only 4K resolution but it adds multiple inputs which could be handy (TB3, HDMI 2.0b, and DP 1.2).

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The Asus has double the dimming zones and utilizes mini LEDs for the backlight. 1,200 nits peak on the Asus compared to 1,600 nits on the XDR.

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I wish Asus kept the silver look of the older PA32UC. Not feeling the black and gold vibe but it does look like an awesome performer.

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Asus is launching an even higher end model next year. VESA DisplayHDR 1400 certified and 1,600 nits peak! 4K, 120Hz, MiniLED 1,152 zones, DV, HLG, and HDR10. Ain't gonna be cheap...

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/Pro...splay-PA32UCG/

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Looks like the Apple Pro Display is not living up to the hype...

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Yeah, maybe rename it to XDR Prosumer.
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Native contrast/and number of zones. This monitor has 1000:1 native contrast ratio with 576 zones. I suggest that they put a much better panel in there.
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