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post #1 of 18 Old 06-25-2019, 09:40 AM - Thread Starter
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I have a couple of Sony XBR's, one a 4K XBR850B, one an older XBR6. These new OLED sets are jaw dropping in the store with a test signal, bui I worry if I bought one and brought it home to my Comcast-non rebuild town with all its signal compression whether I will really get much of any improvement vs. where I am now. Anyone got experience in a situation like this? I don't watch many Blu-Rays and just a bit of Amazon Pay videos and Netflix.

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Do you get a decent OTA (Over the Air) signal? The major networks transmit a 720p or 1080i signal which can give a beautiful picture. Most of the newer TVs can use built in apps to view content ie. Netflix, YouTube and Amazon Prime Video via an internet connection and if you have decent internet bandwidth they too can produce a beautiful picture.


Personally I only pay for an internet service and Amazon Prime.

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Thanks! We get a Comcast signal with bad compression, an awful bit rate on the networks, like 12 or so last time I checked. ESPN is better maybe mid teens. Low bitrate = mushy looking picture. Not sure an OLED set with be able to do its thing.

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The Sony A9G OLED has the best processor and best upscaling of the OLED displays. Regular HD broadcasts (720p amd 1080i) look excellent on it in my home (Fios). BluRay discs look fantastic, as does 4k streaming (Netflix, etc).
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Cancel cable TV, get Amazon Prime, Netflix, and even a dvd.netflix.com bluray by mail account, get an antenna for OTA sports, and then get an OLED. Plus, with the money you'll be saving you can get a new OLED every 5 years unless you are into 77 inches. Innuendo not intended.
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But if you do want to keep Comcast there is another option. The Roku streaming box has an Xfinity app. There is no extra charge, just login with your Xfinity login and you get all the same stations that you get on your cable box. I have this and I can also get premium channels I subscribe to like HBO, etc. plus all the channels on my set top box. Video quality is very good assuming you have fast enough internet, about like Netflix. You can then optionally cancel your set top box rental. The only disadvantage is that there is no DVR capability and the menus are not as good as an X1 box. All channels appear to come out of the Roku at 1080p so there could be a video improvement if this is real. There is a whole faq on the Xfinity website. Also new Samsung tvs will have the Xfinity app. Only Roku and Samsung support this app, although Xfinity has plans for more platforms, i.e. Sony.

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I have a couple of Sony XBR's, one a 4K XBR850B, one an older XBR6. These new OLED sets are jaw dropping in the store with a test signal, bui I worry if I bought one and brought it home to my Comcast-non rebuild town with all its signal compression whether I will really get much of any improvement vs. where I am now. Anyone got experience in a situation like this? I don't watch many Blu-Rays and just a bit of Amazon Pay videos and Netflix.

I have Comcrap for local HDTV stations only (1080). They look great upscaled to 4k on my C8, given the particular network (not all are equal). However, we have a relatively new connection (rebuilt by Comcrap) and there are only two other houses in our court sharing the connection at the street. OTA, is your best signal if you are in a location that can receive a good signal and your cable signal is crap. So for us, Comcrap for our local broadcast stations only (the major networks like ABC, etc). Everything else we stream via the ATV4k or watch movies with out UHD-BD player. I don't even bother with the on-board apps of the C8.

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Thanks very much, fellas!

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I am not sure why exactly but on my C8 anything less than 4K UHD with HDR looks much worse than it did on my plasma. The amount of noise, banding, artifacts, any kind of mess you can imagine is volumes worse and I have no idea why. I would think the newer TV chips would have all that stuff solved.
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Garbage in, garbage out. This was the case with Frontier Fios even on my A9F. Switched to YTTV and never looked back. Picture quality is light years ahead, as is the user experience. Significantly cheaper to boot.

Honestly if you have good internet, just ditch cable and mover over to streaming. YTTV + Netflix is still cheaper than my old cable sub.

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I think Comcast is switching everything over to 720p to save bandwidth. Doing it area by area. I think most don't notice any difference. My kids watch SD when there's a HD version of the same channel.
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Another vote to drop Comcast. I have subscribed to PS Vue for over two years and have no plans to go back to cable. All the channels I would ever watch for no more than 60% of the cost.
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I'm all for ditching cable/satellite TV services in favor of streaming services. That said, we still have Dish's satellite service since my fiance's parents pay for a plan that allows them to use it anywhere, so we've had the chance to watch movies and tv shows for almost a year on our OLED, and I can say that resolution isn't everything. The increased amount of contrast you get with an OLED really makes some shows and movies pop and look better than ever. I'm constantly surprised at how good older content like Back to the Future or The Fifth Element can look on an OLED TV. I still prefer to stream 4K content via Netflix or Amazon Prime for the majority of our viewing, but even streaming 1080p stuff can still look breathtaking due to the contrast on these OLED's.
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I'm all for ditching cable/satellite TV services in favor of streaming services. That said, we still have Dish's satellite service since my fiance's parents pay for a plan that allows them to use it anywhere, so we've had the chance to watch movies and tv shows for almost a year on our OLED, and I can say that resolution isn't everything. The increased amount of contrast you get with an OLED really makes some shows and movies pop and look better than ever. I'm constantly surprised at how good older content like Back to the Future or The Fifth Element can look on an OLED TV. I still prefer to stream 4K content via Netflix or Amazon Prime for the majority of our viewing, but even streaming 1080p stuff can still look breathtaking due to the contrast on these OLED's.
Interesting....so you think I might see a contrast difference vs. my 2014 4K 850B?

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Sometimes the size of your TV exaggerates a low quality signal. People get used to their 50" and then get a 65" and see a lot of flaws and compression artifacts they didn't notice before. You get more "cable looks like crap" comments from 65" OLED buyers than from 55" buyers. Of course, seating distance relates to this as well. Someone with compressed 720p on a 65" at seven feet might complain but would be happy at 12-14 feet. I can't tell you what size/distance combo crosses the "looks crappy" threshold for your content, however.
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Sometimes the size of your TV exaggerates a low quality signal. People get used to their 50" and then get a 65" and see a lot of flaws and compression artifacts they didn't notice before. You get more "cable looks like crap" comments from 65" OLED buyers than from 55" buyers. Of course, seating distance relates to this as well. Someone with compressed 720p on a 65" at seven feet might complain but would be happy at 12-14 feet. I can't tell you what size/distance combo crosses the "looks crappy" threshold for your content, however.
You make a very good point. Years ago Comcast, trying to justify heavy compression, stated that at over 8' everything looked the same, most folks could not see a difference. I sit about 10' out so 55 (largest set I can fit in the space) is probably going to be ok I guess, but for sure not better than my current 49 on the basis of the compression aspect. That does have me concerned.

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I think Comcast is switching everything over to 720p to save bandwidth. Doing it area by area. I think most don't notice any difference. My kids watch SD when there's a HD version of the same channel.
They have been down-rezzing everything to 720 (except locals), for 2 years. But their X1 box upconverts that mess to 1080.
Then when you hit Display ( or whatever works on your remote), the TV says 1080p. I wish they would pass a law basing HD on bandwith and resolution.
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They have been down-rezzing everything to 720 (except locals), for 2 years. But their X1 box upconverts that mess to 1080.
Then when you hit Display ( or whatever works on your remote), the TV says 1080p. I wish they would pass a law basing HD on bandwith and resolution.
They need to pass a "milk law". Condensed milk most be labeled as "condensed milk" not simply "milk". Compressed HD needs to be labeled as compressed HD. It is no more like full HD than condensed milk is like fresh milk.

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