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Is this an engineering problem that we can hope with reasonable certainty can be addressed? If not, it's really going to put the brakes on any price compression we might've hoped for for OLED screens of this size (or larger...) no? I understand that price compression was probably going to be slow regardless, but, if they *must* include a stand like this, I could see it limiting what was already going to be a low unit volume and cutting it into a tiny fraction thereof.
I feel I'm not exactly understanding you. But prices coming down would still have to do with production and efficiency. The panel is always going to be the most expensive part of the TV by far on an OLED. They don't have to worry about the big, expensive, complicated backlights that some LCD have. Right now they just have the Gen 8 plants. From a single layer I think you can only get the 2 77". When they open the Gen 10 I think you can get about 6 at the 75" size. They're also exploring a multi cut where they can get the 48" and 77"(I think) from the same sheet. The less waste of a sheet, the more efficient, the more TVs they can produce. The closer supply gets to demand and the lower prices become. It also helps increase production of larger sizes. I think I've seen someone say before, possibly fafrd, that only about 1% of the sizes produced are 77" models currently.
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This is the fat cat thread I can only hope that one day the price will drop to a point where a average enthusiast could afford to buy it. I would be willing to drop 10k on this tv so that means I could be waiting a long time.
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This is the fat cat thread I can only hope that one day the price will drop to a point where a average enthusiast could afford to buy it. I would be willing to drop 10k on this tv so that means I could be waiting a long time.
Same. 10k would be the absolute limit. But I would not buy it unless it has a regular stand. And one more thing...8k is not needed. I would take an 88' 4K OLED any day. That should lower the price even more.
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Could be. But many wall mounts have a tendency for the TV to lean forward and this could put a lot of stress in the center of the glass. Particularly articulating wall mounts.

I agree this is a problem but giant LCD displays are available so somehow it is solved?


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Same. 10k would be the absolute limit. But I would not buy it unless it has a regular stand. And one more thing...8k is not needed. I would take an 88' 4K OLED any day. That should lower the price even more.

I also thought 8K is not needed but reports from those who tested it say that comparing to 4K it adds qualities which are not measurable but perceptible, like plasticity, third dimension, naturalness. Regarding the price, I understand the 88" can not be made in ramping up volumes so the 10k price is a dream now though when 77" first came its introductory price was even higher.
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I also thought 8K is not needed but reports from those who tested it say that comparing to 4K it adds qualities which are not measurable but perceptible, like plasticity, third dimension, naturalness. Regarding the price, I understand the 88" can not be made in ramping up volumes so the 10k price is a dream now though when 77" first came its introductory price was even higher.
Yep, the 77" was high in cost for some time, they are finally down where they need to be. We need the Z9 out first before we can have price cuts
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Yep, the 77" was high in cost for some time, they are finally down where they need to be. We need the Z9 out first before we can have price cuts

Though apparently the wall hanging issue would be a deal breaker even if deep price cuts materialize. Hopefully LG knows this and works on it (ideally they will move electronics to a separate box).
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I feel I'm not exactly understanding you. But prices coming down would still have to do with production and efficiency. The panel is always going to be the most expensive part of the TV by far on an OLED. They don't have to worry about the big, expensive, complicated backlights that some LCD have. Right now they just have the Gen 8 plants. From a single layer I think you can only get the 2 77". When they open the Gen 10 I think you can get about 6 at the 75" size. They're also exploring a multi cut where they can get the 48" and 77"(I think) from the same sheet. The less waste of a sheet, the more efficient, the more TVs they can produce. The closer supply gets to demand and the lower prices become. It also helps increase production of larger sizes. I think I've seen someone say before, possibly fafrd, that only about 1% of the sizes produced are 77" models currently.
Price compression comes from a combination of factors including economies of scale. That requires *some* modicum of volume, which also in turn requires some demand to suck up the incremental volume (it's a chicken and egg, but they go hand in hand). But the point is, the fixed stand will constrict demand, as evidenced by:

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Same. 10k would be the absolute limit. But I would not buy it unless it has a regular stand. And one more thing...8k is not needed. I would take an 88' 4K OLED any day. That should lower the price even more.
...and I'm fairly certain this person is not alone in this sentiment.

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Looks like it's happening. I'm supposed to have it by end of next week and I'm the first person in the US.

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Looks like it's happening. I'm supposed to have it by end of next week and I'm the first person in the US.
EXCITING. For real. Super jealous! Can't wait for your impressions...
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Looks like it's happening. I'm supposed to have it by end of next week and I'm the first person in the US.
First in the US? Wow, fantastic! I'm excited about impressions and pics!
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Looks like it's happening. I'm supposed to have it by end of next week and I'm the first person in the US.
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For all I know I'm probably the only person in the US crazy enough to buy this. And believe me when I say I am not the kind of person that can throw this much bacon around willy nilly. I was prepared for $20k but I really had to think about it for 30 (its a good thing financing exists).



Its just that I have been salivating over this display since they started showing it last year. I got my first dedicated theater room at that same time and 88" would be the perfect fit. I don't even care about 8K, but I do care about OLED. I bought the C8 to hold me over which will now be moved into another room.
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For all I know I'm probably the only person in the US crazy enough to buy this. And believe me when I say I am not the kind of person that can throw this much bacon around willy nilly. I was prepared for $20k but I really had to think about it for 30 (its a good thing financing exists).



Its just that I have been salivating over this display since they started showing it last year. I got my first dedicated theater room at that same time and 88" would be the perfect fit. I don't even care about 8K, but I do care about OLED. I bought the C8 to hold me over which will now be moved into another room.
I've been salivating about large OLEDs too, but I don't have the dough yet. I'll be a little more patient. But really, what you're doing is not crazy. Enjoying life can be buying an expensive thing. We're only here for a short time, so why not indulge in things (if we can afford) that we absolutely love?...in this case huge amazing picture? We can. A lot of people don't care about getting a big expensive tv...that's because they don't have interest. Here on this forum...this is our hobby...our passion. So, enjoy the tv buddy! Watch a lot of sci-fi movies! 2001: A space odyssey, Alien, Blade Runner, the Fifth Element...just to name a few.
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This TV really is my dream TV, except for that stand..not a fan of it


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Important tidbits from the reviews: Part of the electronics are in the stand hence no wall-mount. LG says you still could do it if you want but it would need a custom solution.

There is an external 8K decoding box that they say customers will get in December. There seems to be conflicting info on what it does but it seems like it is for decoding 8K files from a USB drive and possibly from any future streaming services.

The only real source of actual 8K at this point is Youtube but the built-in app does not support 8K. Therefore you must download the video first and then play it back from USB thru the decoder. The HDMI ports also support 8K input of course.


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^man the thought of an 88 Oled is so enticing, but for me 2 things...at that price the uniformity better be near perfect and the price has to come down...nevertheless I, looking forward to your impressions!
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How deep is the stand? I can't find a listed dimension, though from photos it looks like it's "deep enough for a center channel speaker but not deep enough for standard depth components and definitely not deeper receivers."

Is that about right? If so that seems like a weird choice to me. A nit pick to be sure, and I'm not buying one regardless. Just seems strange to me as at the very least it'd be nice to be able to put your gear down there.

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How deep is the stand? I can't find a listed dimension, though from photos it looks like it's "deep enough for a center channel speaker but not deep enough for standard depth components and definitely not deeper receivers."

Is that about right? If so that seems like a weird choice to me. A nit pick to be sure, and I'm not buying one regardless. Just seems strange to me as at the very least it'd be nice to be able to put your gear down there.
The whole TV is listed at 11" deep, which given the shape must be the depth of the stand. Given many AVRs are 16" or 17" deep, they sure won't be going in there.

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How deep is the stand? I can't find a listed dimension, though from photos it looks like it's "deep enough for a center channel speaker but not deep enough for standard depth components and definitely not deeper receivers."

Is that about right? If so that seems like a weird choice to me. A nit pick to be sure, and I'm not buying one regardless. Just seems strange to me as at the very least it'd be nice to be able to put your gear down there.
Dimensions are given as 77.3 x 57.3 x 11 inches Stand Included.

In the video they have an Oppo Blu-ray player down there. My x8500 is certainly not going to fit.

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Dimensions are given as 77.3 x 57.3 x 11 inches Stand Included.

In the video they have an Oppo Blu-ray player down there. My x8500 is certainly not going to fit.
Thanks. I hadn't seen the dimensions. But yeah that's definitely not receiver depth, that's for sure. I guess maybe if the front-back dimension of the receiver's feet fit within 11" you could pull the whole thing away from the wall?

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I saw one of these sets today at VE today and my first impression is it looks really good. For a panel of this size the picture is pretty sharp playing a 4K bluray. I haven't calibrated the set yet but the HDR looks very bright. The only thing that most are going to comment about is the stand. All the sound electronics, speakers and the power supply are in stand assembly. I looks like you can wall mount it but it's a really big panel to be doing that. For the panel that's on display, screen uniformity looks very good although not 100% perfect like most OLEDs. I will post more later next week when I have a chance to calibrate the set but so far I was pretty impressed with what I saw.

Another thing you need to keep in mind is this is an OLED so the PQ is going to have those deep blacks which makes content have that vibrant, "3D look" compared to similar 8k LED sets. Just like with 4K the OLED PQ is very different than the LCDs, even the Sony with it's black master drive, etc...

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I hope that's not my unit you were playing around with.

They told me mine is supposed to ship direct from LG though. And all I'm hearing is that it will ship any day now. Unfortunately I have prior commitments after this week so I might have to get them to hold on to it for a couple of weeks.

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I hope that's not my unit you were playing around with.

They told me mine is supposed to ship direct from LG though. And all I'm hearing is that it will ship any day now. Unfortunately I have prior commitments after this week so I might have to get them to hold on to it for a couple of weeks.
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@jrref thanks for the report. Maybe I'll swing by VE to check it out.

My 88" Samsung LCD (which probably weighs way more than the OLED) is wall mounted so it's doable as long as the screen can be separated out from the stand. Would be interested in more info on this though my wallet can't do this for now!

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