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First Vizio OLED TV in 2020

It is now official, Vizio will launch its first OLED TV in 2020.
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Great news, the more the merrier. More choices for consumers. 2020 will be an interesting CES.
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Predicting that this takes out both the GZ3000 and C10 next year at the public UK shootout.
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Predicting that this takes out both the GZ3000 and C10 next year at the public UK shootout.


Not likely as right now Vizio is US/NA only.
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Predicting that this takes out both the GZ3000 and C10 next year at the public UK shootout.
I wouldn’t be so optimistic about it just yet but is sure welcome to the party.
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I wouldn’t be so optimistic about it just yet but is sure welcome to the party.


Especially since several times its lcd didn’t make the cut for the V U shoot out.


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Predicting that this takes out both the GZ3000 and C10 next year at the public UK shootout.
next year panasonic models will be HZ. Vizio wont be at any shootout I bet, their flagship LCD did not make it, so how will a first gen oled make it? What does a first gen oled potentially mean? Get ready for a banding fest.
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What special is a Vizio oled going to get you anyway? Something on the level of a Hisense oled or tad better? Maybe more affordable pricing. All they'll do is stick a standard LG display panel paired to their mediocre grade processor. I wouldn't trust their processing or first gen QC to be on the level of Sony and panasonic.
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What special is a Vizio oled going to get you anyway? Something on the level of a Hisense oled or tad better? Maybe more affordable pricing. All they'll do is stick a standard LG display panel paired to their mediocre grade processor. I wouldn't trust their processing or first gen QC to be on the level of Sony and panasonic.
So, what your saying is, you have no interest in a Vizio OLED.

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So, what your saying is, you have no interest in a Vizio OLED.

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So, what your saying is, you have no interest in a Vizio OLED.

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if it can do motion and QC as good or better than a Sony or pana. , And that has a mathematical probability of 1 in 100.Or if they can come up with a new oled panel technology like Samsung is planning to do with QD-BOLED.In other words. , I mean if they can do something new or better than what's already available on the consumer oled front, then I have interest. If they stick to the same old formula launching in 2020, then meh.

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The Vizio P-series is actually a very good LCD, and a much better value than Samsung or Sony LCD. Not saying their OLED will match Sony or Panny for processing. But if it's somewhat close to LG and considerably less expensive, it will do well.
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The Vizio P-series is actually a very good LCD, and a much better value than Samsung or Sony LCD. Not saying their OLED will match Sony or Panny for processing. But if it's somewhat close to LG and considerably less expensive, it will do well.
value they surely are, and the PQ Quantum is a fine LCD actually, but have you wondered why none of their lcd's have ever been given a chance at the US TV evaluation events? Looks like the professionals don't regard them highly. And I doubt their oled would make it to the events either, unless they do something special.
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if it can do motion and QC as good or better than a Sony or pana. , And that has a mathematical probability of 1 in 100.Or if they can come up with a new oled panel technology like Samsung is planning to do with QD-BOLED.In other words. , I mean if they can do something new or better than what's already available on the consumer oled front, then I have interest. If they stick to the same old formula launching in 2020, then meh.
The display is going to be coming from LG Display, so one can't hope for miracles. Certainly, it's going to come down to the hardware they have develop to power their display.
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value they surely are, and the PQ Quantum is a fine LCD actually, but have you wondered why none of their lcd's have ever been given a chance at the US TV evaluation events? Looks like the professionals don't regard them highly. And I doubt their oled would make it to the events either, unless they do something special.
Vizio had one expensive LCD which was allowed to participate. The cheaper Vizio's would never be allowed to participate simply because they were cheap.
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LG announced awhile back that they would finally be releasing sub-55" OLED panels (48" I believe) in the near future.

If Vizio is able to get an open cell 48" OLED panel from LG and are able to release it at a sub-$1k price point they could shake up the industry again.

I have a lot of respect for Vizio, but after the failed LeEco buy out a few years ago it took them a couple years to come back around.

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Well this is great news. The more manufacturers sell these displays the better the price will get for consumers. I'll be very interested to see this display. I have seen lots of OLED displays now and I know processing does a lot but OLED just looks like OLED no matter what. To me there is less the process because the technology is just that good. Just my opinion though.
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It is now official, Vizio will launch its first OLED TV in 2020.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1567171106

Since Vizio has zero OLED manufacturing plants, it’s just another LG customer buying whatever’s left after Sony, Panasonic, LG take their share, of Premium grade panels. LGs 10th Generation fabs are paying off.
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Since oleds are increasingly gaining steam in the premium market, I won't blame Vizio to be wanting to jump in to grab a share of the pie, like other manufacturers are doing lately, hisense also markets their oleds in some countries now.


But from a consumer perspective, my issue is that as we head into 2020, I would rather to like to see something different or better on the oled front than procuring a panel from LG display as an OEM and pairing it to your picture processor. And I doubt with the budget and pricing of Vizio, that they are going to get premium grade panels, instead B or C panels and that means QC/uniformity issues will be present.


QD-BOLED from Samsung does something different and is potentially a better technology in some areas than LG display's current technology, so that's what I'm waiting to see, won't be any sooner than 2022 though even with optimistic expectations.
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And I doubt with the budget and pricing of Vizio, that they are going to get premium grade panels, instead B or C panels and that means QC/uniformity issues will be present.
Could you share any source that goes into more detail of how LG grades panels for uniformity and the grading system you've mentioned?

So far, user reports of similar uniformity in premium TVs as in cheap ones have cast doubt on the the existence of one.
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Could you share any source that goes into more detail of how LG grades panels for uniformity and the grading system you've mentioned?

So far, user reports of similar uniformity in premium TVs as in cheap ones have cast doubt on the the existence of one.
The source is insiders/calibrators D-nice and Jref. With how many of these they see on a regular basis, I'm not inclined to dispute them. The 77" A9G display unit at my local Best Buy is giving me an itch right now.
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value they surely are, and the PQ Quantum is a fine LCD actually, but have you wondered why none of their lcd's have ever been given a chance at the US TV evaluation events? Looks like the professionals don't regard them highly. And I doubt their oled would make it to the events either, unless they do something special.
We don't need to wonder. It's because they only use TVs that they sell in the shootout.

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Not likely as right now Vizio is US/NA only.
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I wouldn’t be so optimistic about it just yet but is sure welcome to the party.
Pretty sure this is what is commonly referred to as a joke Specifying the UK shootout was quite deliberate.


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Could you share any source that goes into more detail of how LG grades panels for uniformity and the grading system you've mentioned?

So far, user reports of similar uniformity in premium TVs as in cheap ones have cast doubt on the the existence of one.
I doubt LG is bining substandard panels. No matter how inexpensive the panels may be, the cost of having say 10% of TVs returned will erase any and all profits.
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I think it's all going to depend on pricing. I don't know what % of the total cost of an OLED set the panel is, but if it's a large % Vizio is going to have a hard time competing with LG Electronics and their price cutting.
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Vizio will undercut LG on pricing. As long as their processing isn't a disaster, I don't see why anyone would buy an LG.

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Vizio will undercut LG on pricing. As long as their processing isn't a disaster, I don't see why anyone would buy an LG.
How about Sony? Sony is unreal with their OLED prices. I'd buy LG OLED over Sony. Their prices are in the stratosphere. That is coming from someone that has a Sony 900E.
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How about Sony? Sony is unreal with their OLED prices. I'd buy LG OLED over Sony. Their prices are in the stratosphere. That is coming from someone that has a Sony 900E.
What about them? LG OLEDs greatly outsell Sony. They're cheaper and use the same exact panel. For most it's hard to justify the price premium. Once Vizio comes out with $1K OLEDs, not sure why anyone would pay more for an LG that uses the same exact panel. It means LGE will have to stop their game up. Competition is good.

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Vizio will undercut LG on pricing. As long as their processing isn't a disaster, I don't see why anyone would buy an LG.
For the same reason why people buy Sony's and Panasonic's over LG's. Slight differences that may not matter to someone else, but that matter a lot to (insert individual).

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