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LG Announces NVIDIA G-Sync Support for E9 and C9 Series OLEDs

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LG UNVEILS FIRST OLED TVS TO SUPPORT NVIDIA G-SYNC FOR BIG SCREEN GAMING EXPERIENCE

Combination of OLED Quality, HDMI 2.1 and Advanced Features

Takes Gaming on LG’s Latest TVs into a New Dimension


SEOUL, Sep. 10, 2019 — LG Electronics (LG) has joined forces with NVIDIA to make gamers’ dreams come true, adding support for NVIDIA G-SYNC® Compatibility to its stunning 2019 OLED TVs (model 65/55E9, model 77/65/55C9). LG’s newest OLED products offer blazing speed and stunning color reproduction, their superior performance and image quality validated through NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible testing to ensure a smooth and immersive gaming experience without flickering, tearing or stuttering.

With exceptional picture quality, low input lag and an ultra-fast response time, LG OLED TVs have already earned a reputation for delivering an optimized gaming performance. The addition of NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatibility raises the bar once more, guaranteeing even more immersive big-screen PC gaming on the company’s industry-leading 4K OLED models, available in 55- to 77-inch screen sizes.

LG’s self-emissive OLED technology takes users deeper into the pulsating action of their favorite games, employing the precision of individual pixel control to produce incredibly realistic images. Along with infinite contrast and highly accurate color reproduction, the TVs offer an ultra-fast response time with a refresh rate of up to 120Hz. Input lag – which can make the difference between victory and defeat – is barely perceptible at a 6 milliseconds range for 1440p content at 120 Hz and 13 milliseconds range for 4K content at 60 Hz. The minimal input lag of LG’s OLED TVs, of less than a frame, with no loss in picture quality, makes them the best displays for gaming.

What’s more, LG’s latest OLED TV models support a variety of popular HDR formats that further elevate the gaming experience. Users can play compatible titles in dynamic HDR10 or Dolby Vision (at up to 120 frames per second for Full HD content) taking advantage of HDMI 2.1 specifications such as auto low latency mode (ALLM), enhanced audio return channel (eARC), and variable refresh rate (VRR).

To heighten viewers’ sense of immersion when playing games or watching fast content, LG’s 2019 OLED TVs support cinematic audio formats including Dolby Atmos and groundbreaking Dolby TrueHD lossless sound technology. With the best premium audio and video format options covered, users can hear and see content as originally intended by its creators. These models also incorporate LG’s deep learning-based AI sound for captivating virtual 5.1 surround.

“It’s no secret LG OLED TVs are coveted by gamers world over and we are committed to optimizing the OLED gaming experience for them,” Sam Kim, senior vice president of the TV product planning division of Home Entertainment company at LG. “With NVIDIA G-SYNC adoption, we are showing that OLED TVs have the support and backing of the world’s top gaming hardware brand to make their products look their best.”

“We are excited to bring G-SYNC Compatible support to LG’s 2019 OLED TVs and HDMI Variable Refresh Rate support to our GeForce RTX 20-Series GPUs,” said Matt Wuebbling, head of GeForce marketing at NVIDIA. “Gamers will be blown away by the responsiveness and the lifelike visuals on these TVs when playing the latest PC games featuring real-time ray-tracing powered by GeForce.”

NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible support for LG’s 2019 OLED TVs will become available in select markets via a firmware upgrade in the weeks to follow.

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That's the official press release. There should be live links after 9 PM (Eastern) and I'm posting about it on the homepage too. This press release was sent out by LG an hour early, it turns out. The news will be all over the place soon enough.
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Wow this is big news. I just hope it also comes to the Z9...

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Interesting that it only needs a firmware update for this to work. PC monitors have dedicated boards for this functionality.
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Got a 2080 RTX TI in my PC and my C9 comes in this week - can't wait!
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Interesting that it only needs a firmware update for this to work. PC monitors have dedicated boards for this functionality.
It might not be as good as hardware G-sync on a PC monitor, but it will definetely be useful.
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Will the VRR update work with the Xbox One X?

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Nvidia has it on their website now:

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Best news in a while! Now we need GPU with true HDMI 2.1 port to get that sweet [email protected]
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Does this update include 77C9? it does not support VRR
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Yes it does, I am pretty sure the only one that doesn't is the W9.





I see it says only 20 and 16 series GPUs. As a 1080 TI owner, that sucks.
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Interesting that it only needs a firmware update for this to work. PC monitors have dedicated boards for this functionality.
Since a few months NVida also supports Freesync. They call it "Gsync compatible". So you don't need an extra board. I own a 4K LG 27" Display which is Freesync capable and now I can also use Freesync (aka Gsync compatible).
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G-Sync support - perfect.

To have a perfect OLED gaming screen we need no limitation on HDMI-eARC pass-through.

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https://www.change.org/p/lg-electron...-pcm-over-earc

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GG to other manufactures.
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Freaking fantastic news holy sh*t! Having vrr will sure help with ray tracing games that are super demanding.

So this works via hdmi 2.0? And this is hdmi forum vrr right, not g-sync so I’m curious about the vrr range. Hopefully as good as g-sync which is 30hz at minimum
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"If you don’t own a LG TV, but do own a display or TV that only supports Variable Refresh Rates via HDMI, you can try enabling HDMI VRR when the aforementioned driver is released. As these displays and TVs haven’t yet been through our comprehensive validation process, we can’t guarantee VRR will work, or work without issue.


Be assured though, we will be testing current and future Variable Refresh Rate HDMI displays, and will be working with manufacturers like LG to bring flawless out-of-the-box G-SYNC Compatible support to their big-screen TVs, so more GeForce gamers can enjoy smooth gameplay from the comfort of their couch."

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Will the VRR update work with the Xbox One X?

Xbox One already supports HDMI-VRR this is for Nvidia GPU's in PC's.


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Freaking fantastic news holy sh*t! Having vrr will sure help with ray tracing games that are super demanding.

So this works via hdmi 2.0? And this is hdmi forum vrr right, not g-sync so I’m curious about the vrr range. Hopefully as good as g-sync which is 30hz at minimum
I suspect this is really just Nvidia branding HDMI-VRR as G-Sync Compatible just like it now does with Freesnyc displays. I will be interesting to see if it works with Samsung HDMI-VRR displays unless Nvidia have a restricted list of supported displays for HDMI-VRR though they do allow overriding this on the PC with Displayport Freesync displays, they may not allow this with HDMI.


LG have stated the VRR range of their displays is 40-120hz, so with a HDMI 2.0 port the best you can get from the full range is 1440p/120hz output.


To get the full range at 4K/120hz needs a HDMI 2.1 port of which there are no GPU's on the market. With a HDMI 2.0 port you may only get VRR 40-60Hz at 4K/60hz.
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I suspect this is really just Nvidia branding HDMI-VRR as G-Sync Compatible just like it now does with Freesnyc displays. I will be interesting to see if it works with Samsung HDMI-VRR displays unless Nvidia have a restricted list of supported displays for HDMI-VRR though they do allow overriding this on the PC with Displayport Freesync displays, they may not allow this with HDMI.


LG have stated the VRR range of their displays is 40-120hz, so with a HDMI 2.0 port the best you can get from the full range is 1440p/120hz output.


To get the full range at 4K/120hz needs a HDMI 2.1 port of which there are no GPU's on the market. With a HDMI 2.0 port you may only get VRR 40-60Hz at 4K/60hz.
hmm a bit shame it cannot get down to 30hz since some pc games are so demanding/unoptimized at 4k (like shadow of tomb raider with ray tracing enabled; The framerate sometimes drop below 40fps even with a rtx 2080ti). But based on my experience with g-sync, once the fps is lower than 40 fps it starts to feel stuttery again anyway
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LG's promoting OLED here as a gaming display suggests that OLED burn-in risk has become a non-issue for gamers. Is this correct?
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hmm a bit shame it cannot get down to 30hz since some pc games are so demanding/unoptimized at 4k (like shadow of tomb raider with ray tracing enabled; The framerate sometimes drop below 40fps even with a rtx 2080ti). But based on my experience with g-sync, once the fps is lower than 40 fps it starts to feel stuttery again anyway

Yeah there are diminishing returns below 40fps, I forget the details but there is a tech talk somewhere explaining it (maybe blurbusters or YT battlenonsense) but both Freesync and G-Sync change what they do sub 40fps and you just don't get the full benefits any more.


If you can maintain a stable 40fps or thereabouts you will still get a 60fps feeling, an increasing number of PC games these days include temporal reconstruction so you can lower internal rendering resolution and still have something that looks pretty close to 4K without turning down all the details either..


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If your a responsible owner and vary your content it's not a problem.


But OLED is not for everyone there are other use cases were it may not be optimal, those who play only one or two games over and over, have overlays or chat windows permanently on screen etc.
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I suspect this is really just Nvidia branding HDMI-VRR as G-Sync Compatible just like it now does with Freesnyc displays. I will be interesting to see if it works with Samsung HDMI-VRR displays unless Nvidia have a restricted list of supported displays for HDMI-VRR though they do allow overriding this on the PC with Displayport Freesync displays, they may not allow this with HDMI.


LG have stated the VRR range of their displays is 40-120hz, so with a HDMI 2.0 port the best you can get from the full range is 1440p/120hz output.


To get the full range at 4K/120hz needs a HDMI 2.1 port of which there are no GPU's on the market. With a HDMI 2.0 port you may only get VRR 40-60Hz at 4K/60hz.
I'm currently getting [email protected] off my rtx 2080ti. This will be huge for emulation as certain consoles and arcade games have strange rates that modern screens don't like.

Currently my Mister Neogeo(59.1hz) setup wrecks havoc on my lcd screens, analog to a crt had no issues.

Hopefully input delay remains low in VRR.

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What a company promotes as safe and what is actually safe, aren't necessarily one and the same.

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What, no marathon Breakout sessions?

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Very good! This is even more reason to own an LG OLED. What I'm personally interested in is what the PS5 will offer in combination with the LG.
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