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c9 vs q80r for regular tv and sports

i watch a lot of regular tv on optimum cable box and sport games i’m not sure how hd it really is maby 1080i

which tv would be best for that?
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There are numerous threads comparing OLEDs (the C9) with LCDs (the q80). For movies in the dark, OLED is superior. If you mainly watch during the day in a bright room, you should consider an LCD. Overall, OLED provides the best picture and wins the shoot-outs every year. You may also want to consider a Sony OLED since it provides better upscaling of non-4k HD broadcasts.

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sony tvs can make the regular tv look better?? the lg and samsung don’t do that?
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sony tvs can make the regular tv look better?? the lg and samsung don’t do that?
All 4k displays (OLEDs and LCDs) will automatically upscale non-4k broadcasts to 4k. And they all do a reasonable job at it. Sony has a better processor and (based on numerous reviews and numerous posts from experts and calibrators) does a better job upscaling than those other brands, especially with poor-quality material. Upscaled 1080p BluRay discs will look similar with any of those brands. But poorer quality broadcasts that you can get with many cable providers will likely look better with Sony.

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interesting.. i mostly watch regular broadcast tv and sports so maby i will look into the sony.. is there a way to find out more about that feature?
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Get the Q80R for regular 1080i watching.
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For 1080i cable tv viewing, an oled won't make much pf a difference to a good lcd, if that's the majoroty of your viewing then get the Q80R. If you plan to watch a good bit of 4K HDR content with it, then the oled might be worth it.
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The OLEDs do beat the Samsung in every shoot-out. If you watch movies in the dark, OLED is the best. If you mainly watch sports in a well-lit room, I could see going with the Samsung.

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i don’t watch any tv in the dark and i mostly watch from my cable box regular broadcast sport games and movies or hg network

do the led or oled upscale regular tv better then one another?
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I just had this exact conversation in another thread.


I'm in the industry... have been for 16 years now. I own a 75Q8, 65E7p, and a 65W7p.



My main issue with making this type of selection based upon "shootout" recommendations is that you really need to have curated content and lighting to appreciate what these reviews show to the consumer.



I always ask clients concerned from reading stuff on this site "how often do you intend to recreate the environment and watch the content used in those observations?" I'd say 80% or greater do not. This is not to discount or discredit what others on here routinely say but I stare at these things no less than 8 hours a day for the last decade and I'm confident based upon what your watching the Q80R is absolutely a solid choice and will be hard to beat in dollars vs. performance from another product with the current November pricing.



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The OLEDs do beat the Samsung in every shoot-out. If you watch movies in the dark, OLED is the best. If you mainly watch sports in a well-lit room, I could see going with the Samsung.

OLED is good for watching movies in the dark yes, but not for watching dark movies usually. As far as I've tested they struggle with dark scenes.
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OLED is good for watching movies in the dark yes, but not for watching dark movies usually. As far as I've tested they struggle with dark scenes.
They actually excel with dark scenes. Maybe in a well-lit room they suffer, but they should outperform LCDs with dark scenes due to better contrast. Maybe for your testing, the display was not properly calibrated/set up?

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i don’t watch any tv in the dark and i mostly watch from my cable box regular broadcast sport games and movies or hg network

do the led or oled upscale regular tv better then one another?
For us, the majority of our tv viewing, which is Comcast HDTV for local broadcast stations only (no streaming) is done with an LG LCD panel. Cable box is 1080 only. Sports are fine. Streaming with an ATV4 is fine as well.

For movies, streaming 4k HDR, and occasional tv, we use the LG 65C8 and an ATV4k. Sports and even local HDTV looks fantastic on the C8. I have zero issues with any source, light or dark. The pq just can't be beat, but it does depend on your source and viewing environment. Upscaling on the C8, given the source is also excellent.
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it’s funny all the video reviews and displays are all in 4k but who really watches 4k all the time

there are no reviews on regular tv shows because that’s not what the tv are really designed for which sucks for me because i mostly watch cable vision regular tv and sports.. sometimes i’ll watch netflix and movies but not all the time.. so it’s hard to find out which tv would be best for regular tv because there aren’t any reviews on that topic since that’s not what these tvs are designed for..
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OLED is good for watching movies in the dark yes, but not for watching dark movies usually. As far as I've tested they struggle with dark scenes.
Oled tv’s are made for dark movies. Older generations had some issues but newer oleds are stellar in this regard.

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it’s funny all the video reviews and displays are all in 4k but who really watches 4k all the time

there are no reviews on regular tv shows because that’s not what the tv are really designed for which sucks for me because i mostly watch cable vision regular tv and sports.. sometimes i’ll watch netflix and movies but not all the time.. so it’s hard to find out which tv would be best for regular tv because there aren’t any reviews on that topic since that’s not what these tvs are designed for..
Just go to any audio video store and see the difference for yourself. I know the showroom is not ideal to judge the cable picture but it will give you an idea, tell them to put on a sport channel etc. It also depends how crappy your cable service provider is. BTW what tv are you coming from?

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OLED is good for watching movies in the dark yes, but not for watching dark movies usually. As far as I've tested they struggle with dark scenes.

Here's a perfect example of this sentiment: If you own both and have Amazon Prime, watch a few episodes of The Man in the High Castle or Goliath. My OLED's absolutely struggle with HDR on these shows whereas the Q80 really brings out the highlights.



Having said that, I'm also convinced that Amazons Prime content generally struggles with this... Netflix and Vudu look very vibrant in comparison for HDR presentations.

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All 4k displays (OLEDs and LCDs) will automatically upscale non-4k broadcasts to 4k. And they all do a reasonable job at it. Sony has a better processor and (based on numerous reviews and numerous posts from experts and calibrators) does a better job upscaling than those other brands, especially with poor-quality material. Upscaled 1080p BluRay discs will look similar with any of those brands. But poorer quality broadcasts that you can get with many cable providers will likely look better with Sony.

Myth. Samsung is actually better at 480/720 material. Sony has a small edge with 1080p though. This was specifically pointed out with Vincent Teoh Q90 review. Also many years at those shootouts Samsung scored highest in the upscaling categories, so attendees must have liked what they viewed there.

LG and Samsung both took nice strides in 2019 with processing, as long as we're referring to their top processors.
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Here's a perfect example of this sentiment: If you own both and have Amazon Prime, watch a few episodes of The Man in the High Castle or Goliath. My OLED's absolutely struggle with HDR on these shows whereas the Q80 really brings out the highlights.
My experience is the opposite. Both shows are stunning on my 65 C8. To be transparent I don't have a Q80 but I can't imagine the pq getting any better.
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^agreed..I have a Q8, however my Oled provides a way better HDR experience.
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Here's a perfect example of this sentiment: If you own both and have Amazon Prime, watch a few episodes of The Man in the High Castle or Goliath. My OLED's absolutely struggle with HDR on these shows whereas the Q80 really brings out the highlights.



Having said that, I'm also convinced that Amazons Prime content generally struggles with this... Netflix and Vudu look very vibrant in comparison for HDR presentations.
Huh? Couldn't disagree more. Man in the high castle looked good on B6 and absolutely stunning on A9F. Sony OLED performs the best with movies that has earthy tones. Yet to watch on E9. Also Carnival Row looked fabulous on A9F.
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My E9 only struggles with with poorly compressed materials, A9F handles such materials better. Panasonic is the best with such content.
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Oled is always on top - in every review. On CNET The b9 is ranked the best tv ever for the price. But beware the risk of burn in.
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My main tv is the last plasma made by Panasonic, I also have the Sony 900E in my office which is where I mainly watch tv and I am very happy with it. My primary concerns for any tv is motion handling, and as close to zero color banding as possible. My concern about OLED is the possibility of burn in and that it seems to be a different animal than it was on plasma. I have no burn in on my plasma, but occasionally lately I can see some light image retention. Husband watches a lot of sports, older programs with black sidebars, and I watch news shows. I wanted to replace the plasma last year but none of the models made me feel like jumping yet. This year, oled prices are more competitive with LED. Since I'm coming from plasma, Samsungs brightness does little to impress me, especially when it dims that brightness on small details which is what that eye searing measure is meant for. Furthermore, on Samsungs you can't turn off the local dimming to stop it from dimming those highlights.

So, with prices going from just over $1000 to nearly $4000 with little picture improvement to justify the leap in pricing, my list for consideration is the LG 65" B9, Sony 65" A8G, and both the 65" & 75" Sony 900F. If I motion handling and banding weren't so very important, and I wanted to spend money on upgrading my Denon, then I'd seriously consider last year's TCL 75" 6 series. If I won the lottery next week, I'd buy the shootout winner- the Sony 9AG, and continue scolding my husband about what he watches and leaving the room with the tivo menu paused. lol

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Huh? Couldn't disagree more. Man in the high castle looked good on B6 and absolutely stunning on A9F. Sony OLED performs the best with movies that has earthy tones. Yet to watch on E9. Also Carnival Row looked fabulous on A9F.
They're not only best with rendering (which is why Dolby Vision is important to me), and motion handling but also with shadow detail. If a tv can't get shadow detail right, then it's not worth spending more money for brightness- imo. Samsung's brightness doesn't help with that. Imo, it's just a numbers game for them since some people enjoy searing their eyes.

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My experience is the opposite. Both shows are stunning on my 65 C8. To be transparent I don't have a Q80 but I can't imagine the pq getting any better.
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i think i will wait to see what the 2020 models have to offer
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i think i will wait to see what the 2020 models have to offer
Well, good point. I want to ask this board what those close to production might have heard re. what OLED has in store for 2020, i.e. SONY or LG.
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OLED is good for watching movies in the dark yes, but not for watching dark movies usually. As far as I've tested they struggle with dark scenes.
I get you. The low IRE bands rear their head in dark scenes on oled. The flashing and macroblocking artifacts on low bitrate content show up in dark scenes. and sometimes ruin the experience. There was a 720p source material that I was watching on my oled and it was constantly showing flashing and macroblocks in portions of the screen in dark scenes. To strike off the possibility of the encode being faulty, I carried the content on a usb pen to my philips 1080p lcd and what I found was no artifacting at all in any dark scene. Yeah the oled can lend a little more depth to the dark scenes owing to its perfect contrast, but I would take a little less depth in dark scenes with no noise in the image.
Flashing and macroblocking has been a known problem in dark scenes on oled and even current models can show the problem (panasonic uses some tricks to hide the artifacts) but on a general level they exist on oled, as has been covered by professional review sources as well. And then there is VB, if you got a disuniform panel and watch in a completely black room, get ready to be treated to bands running down the screen in dark scenes.

You'll get some folks say that I don't have flashing on my oled/dont see banding in dark scenes, but that's not discarding that the problem doesn't exist out there, even if your tv doesn't show it.

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