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panasonic tv's coming back to u.s.?

I'm canadian, was in my favorite local store browsing today, hoping to see the new 75gx880 when it shows up.
my salesfriend was telling me panasonic may be making a comeback to the u.s. market but the WONT be playing the lowest cost game. has anyone else heard this?
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I'm canadian, was in my favorite local store browsing today, hoping to see the new 75gx880 when it shows up. my salesfriend was telling me panasonic may be making a comeback to the u.s. market but the WONT be playing the lowest cost game. has anyone else heard this?
There have been a few rumors about this for the past few years but nothing has come of it as far as i have seen. I can see them possibly getting into the US OLED market as they already have the product in Canada and Europe, but i don't know if they have the ability to offer a good LCD TV such as the higher end Sonys etc.

Panasonic as a company has changed a lot in the past 6 years and seems to be a hollow shell of it's once-great self.

Personally, as a decades-long hardcore Panasonic fan (i buy stuff from pretty much all of their product lines), i won't be buying any more Panasonic TVs if they come back. I have recently bought their Microwave Oven and a Vacuum which i like, and a shaver. This is what Panasonic has become.

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I'm canadian, was in my favorite local store browsing today, hoping to see the new 75gx880 when it shows up.
my salesfriend was telling me panasonic may be making a comeback to the u.s. market but the WONT be playing the lowest cost game. has anyone else heard this?

Isn’t Panasonic just another LG customer ? Panasonic couldn’t succeed in the U.S. they cut and ran good riddance.
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Allegedly doing something to eradicate vertical banding more so than LG and Sony. I welcome them onboard if they continue.
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Didn't Vincent Teoh ask panasonic directly about US and they just said no? I don't think it happens, and now with vizio entering oleds in the US next year, panasonic couldn't compete with pricing so don't expect it. If your source is , my salesfriend told me, that's not genuine source.
I'm not from US but disagree with person who said panasonic is not its former self now, over here in my country panasonic's brand recognition (as premium brand) and product support in the case of tv's, blu ray players , camcorders etc. is just the same as it was several years ago.
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They just announced that they will end LCD panel production (for vehicles and industrial uses). They just getting smaller and smaller dispite getting lots of praise for their OLED TVs and UHD players.


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They just announced that they will end LCD panel production (for vehicles and industrial uses). They just getting smaller and smaller dispite getting lots of praise for their OLED TVs and UHD players.


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Wow that's nuts. Panasonic was such a great brand at one time in the county and around the world. Strange how things change like that.
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Wow that's nuts. Panasonic was such a great brand at one time in the county and around the world. Strange how things change like that.
Did you read that? It has nothing to do with consumer tv's. Panasonic stopped manufacturing lcd panels for tv's some years back, so what has changed now? It's a known fact that if you go out and buy a current panasonic lcd, like the GX800 it doesn't use a panasonic manufactured panel. Just like if you buy a sony lcd, you don't get a sony panel but a third party Innolux or AUO panel. That article linked above has nothing to do with panasonic consumer tv's, it says panasonic will stop supplying panels for the industrial sector and vehicular use.
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Did you read that? It has nothing to do with consumer tv's. Panasonic stopped manufacturing lcd panels for tv's some years back, so what has changed now? It's a known fact that if you go out and buy a current panasonic lcd, like the GX800 it doesn't use a panasonic manufactured panel. Just like if you buy a sony lcd, you don't get a sony panel but a third party Innolux or AUO panel. That article linked above has nothing to do with panasonic consumer tv's, it says panasonic will stop supplying panels for the industrial sector and vehicular use.
Yes I understand that. I'm talking about in general. How they used to be a big name here in the US and they are not even sold here anymore. It's just weird what happened to them.
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Unless Panasonic cuts the crap with the small 55" and 65" sizes that the market is already saturated with there's no point. If they produce and affordable 75"-85" range tv, then they have a shot.
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Yes I understand that. I'm talking about in general. How they used to be a big name here in the US and they are not even sold here anymore. It's just weird what happened to them.
Well, the US position is changed but other countries where they did and still do business are unchanged. They left the US Tv market due to all the competition from the likes of TCL's and Vizio's which panasonic cannot compete with in terms of price. And this thread,btw, is just based on hearsay, I doubt they would bring oleds to the US when vizio is about to enter the market with low priced oleds next year. There's nothing close to credible evidence that they are returning to US, just a guy in canada heard a sales person at a store tell him that panasonic 'might' return to US . I don't think a thread should have been started based on such hearsay.
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Panasonic LCD's never seemed to do well. Panasonic Plasma's were fantastic however, too bad the inferior technology of LCD beat out Plasma. Pioneer who also made fantastic plasma's is also out of the TV market (and a shell of it's former self).

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Panasonic LCD's never seemed to do well. Panasonic Plasma's were fantastic however, too bad the inferior technology of LCD beat out Plasma. Pioneer who also made fantastic plasma's is also out of the TV market (and a shell of it's former self).
LCD won for 2 reasons. Lower cost and you could make a UHD LCD.

I think Panasonic is now a battery and solar panel company. Higher margins than consumer electronics.
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Well, the US position is changed but other countries where they did and still do business are unchanged. They left the US Tv market due to all the competition from the likes of TCL's and Vizio's which panasonic cannot compete with in terms of price. And this thread,btw, is just based on hearsay, I doubt they would bring oleds to the US when vizio is about to enter the market with low priced oleds next year. There's nothing close to credible evidence that they are returning to US, just a guy in canada heard a sales person at a store tell him that panasonic 'might' return to US . I don't think a thread should have been started based on such hearsay.
You are right. I started this thread based on complete heresay. I actually thought there might be a little more excitement over the "heresay".
i have two plasmas, stunning pictures. Bought the 4k panasonic led for its color accuracy and lack of burn in to use as a "daily driver" as i was just starting to see hints of burn in on the plasma i use in my living room.
i'm a little envious of the american market. You guys get wicked deals and pricing that we cant get up here even with the exchange rate figured in. I had no qualms about popping for the panasonic led when i saw it displayed beside other panels from other companies. the color was awesome. black level doesnt match my plasmas but its a trade off to protect my old plasmas.
i was actually looking for some corroboration on the rumour, nothing more.

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You are right. I started this thread based on complete heresay. I actually thought there might be a little more excitement over the "heresay".
i have two plasmas, stunning pictures. Bought the 4k panasonic led for its color accuracy and lack of burn in to use as a "daily driver" as i was just starting to see hints of burn in on the plasma i use in my living room.
i'm a little envious of the american market. You guys get wicked deals and pricing that we cant get up here even with the exchange rate figured in. I had no qualms about popping for the panasonic led when i saw it displayed beside other panels from other companies. the color was awesome. black level doesnt match my plasmas but its a trade off to protect my old plasmas.
i was actually looking for some corroboration on the rumour, nothing more.
Don't know which model of Panasonic LED you saw, the one I saw on display was not that impressive. I'll take Samsung LCD / Sony anyday over Panasonic LCD. Even the premium OLEDs has this cheap plasticky build plus the software is screaming low cost. At one hand we see Panasonic trying hard with their OLED - E.g. GZ2000, natural colors but on the other hand their OLEDs has the 'cheap' feel. Their OLEDs are not cheap in price, however.

This thread is based on hearsay.

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LCD won for 2 reasons. Lower cost and you could make a UHD LCD.

Please elaborate on the "you can make a UHD LCD" comment. I think OLEDs are quite 4K capable.

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Please elaborate on the "you can make a UHD LCD" comment. I think OLEDs are quite 4K capable.

I believe he meant back then. oled wasn't ready for 4k at the time, they were barely ready for 1080P, those early 65" 1080P oleds were like 20grand weren't they?? Plus, by todays standards, even though we have 4k OLED they cant be mass produced currently at the level of 4k LCDs. Hopefully that changes next year and into the future.
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I believe he meant back then. oled wasn't ready for 4k at the time, they were barely ready for 1080P, those early 65" 1080P oleds were like 20grand weren't they??
Holy crap, I didn't even know there were 1080p OLED's! 20 grand for a 1080p TV is nuts.
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^it was a 55 inch nonetheless.
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^it was a 55 inch nonetheless.
the 1st few iterations yes, but the 65EC9600/9700 was the 1st 65", it was 1080P and 20k when it launched. crazy how much changes in a 5 year span! (im trying to find info on those tvs and google is not being very friendly. it may have been 10k at some places but i know i seen it at some sites for 20k, maybe due to demand/low production?)
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^I believe video/analysis had one of the very early models, I heard they were terrible though with uniformity...I do remember seeing one at a magnolia store in 14, for 15999 if remember.
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I actually got the 2013 model 55EA9800 (when it dropped below $5k) and skipped those frightening 2014 units. 65" for over $15k was just too cray cray even for me. I jumped back in with those EF9500s (also an eyesore) in 2015.
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You are right. I started this thread based on complete heresay. I actually thought there might be a little more excitement over the "heresay".
i have two plasmas, stunning pictures. Bought the 4k panasonic led for its color accuracy and lack of burn in to use as a "daily driver" as i was just starting to see hints of burn in on the plasma i use in my living room.
i'm a little envious of the american market. You guys get wicked deals and pricing that we cant get up here even with the exchange rate figured in. I had no qualms about popping for the panasonic led when i saw it displayed beside other panels from other companies. the color was awesome. black level doesnt match my plasmas but its a trade off to protect my old plasmas.
i was actually looking for some corroboration on the rumour, nothing more.
I'm not from america, we get panasonic tv's over here, but I don't own one. There is no corroboration of the rumor you heard, the last time an official panasonic source was directly asked this question earlier this year, he said no on his twitter page.
And I'm curious if you had two plasmas, why are you checking out the 2019 panasonic lcd's and not oleds? I think their latest lcd's are good enough ,not exactly as good as say the samsung Q90 but better than the mediocre lcd's out there. However the oleds are a whole different beast. For someone coming from two plasmas, you should be looking at the panasonic GZ950 or GZ1000, if panasonic is what you want. This year's oleds are their best to date, if you have store price negotiation, you can get the GZ950 or 1000 at a great price, and they're universal HDR tv's so in terms of value a great choice.
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Please elaborate on the "you can make a UHD LCD" comment. I think OLEDs are quite 4K capable.
The post I quoted was about why plasma failed. Had nothing to do with OLED.
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I think they could've done a 4K plasma but the behemothic heat generation would've made your room feel like a blast furnace. Not to mention the excessive power requirements, plasmas were never electricity bill friendly displays.
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Please elaborate on the "you can make a UHD LCD" comment. I think OLEDs are quite 4K capable.
He's saying LCD beat out plasma because (among other things) 4k is possible. He's not saying anything regarding 4K OLED.

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I believe he meant back then. oled wasn't ready for 4k at the time, they were barely ready for 1080P, those early 65" 1080P oleds were like 20grand weren't they?? Plus, by todays standards, even though we have 4k OLED they cant be mass produced currently at the level of 4k LCDs. Hopefully that changes next year and into the future.
That is nothing. Back around 2002 there was a 60" Plasma for around 32k.

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