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Post Features the 2020 LG C10 wish list.

Feel free to make your own wish list of 5 features you’d like or you think the 2020 LG C10 May have.

#1 . Slightly brighter maybe by 50-100nits brighter
#2 . 120hz BFI (LG never offered any explanation why this was promised for the C9 then removed)
#3 . Better green colors or modified green subpixel.
#4 . GSYNC Ultimate Chip or certified
#5 . WiFi 6 certified
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Anytime a wish list like this is made, I would list better uniformity as #1 .
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50-100 nits makes no difference, if you're talking peak brightness for highlights. Going over 1000 nits would be a difference, but that's not happening soon.
I want the 120hz BFI feature on oleds
Better AR, oleds look like a mirror, they have never improved their AR filter, AR looks the same across any brand (just as reflective). For people putting oleds in rooms where there is light(not all can accomodate dark rooms) , oled screen reflections can be annoying.
And of course uniformity with no tinting/banding, though I doubt this will improve.
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although this is probably not on top of anyones list i would like to see support for all HDR formats and imax enhanced, in addition to higher brightness, better uniformity and more built in apps.
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although this is probably not on top of anyones list i would like to see support for all HDR formats and imax enhanced, in addition to higher brightness, better uniformity and more built in apps.
You mean HDR10plus? LG already said their dynamic tone mapping feature produces results like HDR10plus so probably they don't think HDR10plus is worth it. Very limited content for the format anyway.
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You mean HDR10plus? LG already said their dynamic tone mapping feature produces results like HDR10plus so probably they don't think HDR10plus is worth it. Very limited content for the format anyway.
yes, content is limited but if that should change would be nice if they support. i read Vizio TV's are getting updated as per this link.
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#1 . Full HDMI 2.1 compliance including 4k120
#2 . HDR peak brightness >1000 nits
#3 . Smaller screen size 48"
#4 . BFI 120hz without significant effect on brightness
#5 . Android TV interface
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#1 . Full HDMI 2.1 compliance including 4k120
#2 . HDR peak brightness >1000 nits
#3 . Smaller screen size 48"
#4 . BFI 120hz without significant effect on brightness
#5 . Android TV interface
Android TV interface that’s like 20 steps in the wrong direction WebOS IMO is awesome.
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Android TV interface that’s like 20 steps in the wrong direction WebOS IMO is awesome.
agree, however android has a huge library of apps.
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The 88" 8K under $10k

And BFI please!

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Interface doesn't amount to squat if you don't have the apps you want. Android by far has the largest apps, and there are over hundred play stores specific to your country so you can get regional apps. On WebOS you cant get regional apps, and unlike android TV's, you can't even sideload an app to the TV from your phone or tablet. I would choose an android or roku for OS.
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- Model without speakers
- Better Motion, including BFI 120hz
- Enhanced Near black
- Better Uniformity (lottery thing is annoying)
- Smaller screen size (rumored 48" would be great)
- Cheaper 77"

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- Model without speakers
- Better Motion, including BFI 120hz
- Enhanced Near black
- Better Uniformity (lottery thing is annoying)
- Smaller screen size (rumored 48" would be great)

- Cheaper 77"
From what I heard, that 48" 4K is real but it won't launch alongside the standard 4K oleds in the first half but will be a late year H2 launch.
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Obligatory better uniformity (particularly the yellow staining of whites, which has been a much bigger issue for me than gray uniformity)
480hz panels with 240hz BFI.
Non gimped HDMI 2.1
Continued improvements to lifespan and BI mitigation
Keep those prices dropping
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Why stop at 120 Hz BFI? My understanding is that it requires an extra TCON and doing a split column refresh. So why not just add even more TCONs and get 240 Hz, or 360 Hz, etc. BFI with rolling scan? You would get even better than plasma motion handling.

Or just make faster than 120 Hz native panels.
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Non gimped HDMI 2.1
Why do you think HDMI 2.1 is gimped on the C9?
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Why do you think HDMI 2.1 is gimped on the C9?
Don't own one. Just going by what owners have said. Regardless whether it is or isn't, my wish is that it is not gimped on the 2020 models lol. Not necessarily getting a C10. Could be an A9H. Just saying.

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Don't own one. Just going by what owners have said. Regardless whether it is or isn't, my wish is that it is not gimped on the 2020 models lol. Not necessarily getting a C10. Could be an A9H. Just saying.
Don't listen to the naysayers. So far we have no indication that anything is wrong with the hardware. LG just has to turn on the remaining features via firmware update.

If it's not gimped in 2019 then it shouldn't be gimped in 2020.
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Don't listen to the naysayers. So far we have no indication that anything is wrong with the hardware. LG just has to turn on the remaining features via firmware update.

If it's not gimped in 2019 then it shouldn't be gimped in 2020.
But if they turn on those features after the C10 has launched, then what's the point? I mean many people bought the C9 for these features. LG did not make people aware that they would have these features locked away for like an year or so. In 2020 if someone is making a purchase, it would be better to go with the C10 because it will have these features out of box as well as other improvements like 120hz BFI.
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HDR10+
Android TV (this is never going to happen unfortunately... at least we would get 2 or 3 years of full firmware update!!)
No more tint issues

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Wifi 6
Return of USB 3.x
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But if they turn on those features after the C10 has launched, then what's the point? I mean many people bought the C9 for these features. LG did not make people aware that they would have these features locked away for like an year or so. In 2020 if someone is making a purchase, it would be better to go with the C10 because it will have these features out of box as well as other improvements like 120hz BFI.
The point is that they (myself included) got to enjoy their TV for a whole year more than they would have waiting for the C10. Most people didn't buy it for just those HDMI 2.1 features, they're a nice future proofing bonus. If they bought it only for the 48Gbps + 4K120 then the joke is on them as there are still no sources that can do that. All the manufacturers are waiting for the certification tests to be released.

But at this point in time it makes sense to wait it out for the C10 if those features (plus the 120 Hz BFI) are more important that the reduced price of the C9.
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Don't listen to the naysayers. So far we have no indication that anything is wrong with the hardware. LG just has to turn on the remaining features via firmware update.

If it's not gimped in 2019 then it shouldn't be gimped in 2020.
Not turned on I guess is what I mean by gimped lol.
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Question why is LG in a Race to the bottom with themselves ?

The current value for a 55” C9 is amazing. And I can understand a lot of people want 65” 75” or bigger

I want to see where that 48” OLED launches next year.

I would also like to see lighter TVs my goodness the 55” C9 was almost too much for me one person and a 65” is definitely a 2 person job.
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1.85 aspect ratio or greater. Hey, we can dream can't we ?
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If they bought it only for the 48Gbps + 4K120 then the joke is on them as there are still no sources that can do that. All the manufacturers are waiting for the certification tests to be released.
Horrible excuse. You don't need HDMI 2.1 to do [email protected] You can currently do [email protected] at 4:2:0. Samsung does it. There's even an Alienware monitor that uses a LGD WOLED panel that does it. There's something else going on here. Just like how 120 BFI was ghosted away without a word.
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Horrible excuse. You don't need HDMI 2.1 to do [email protected] You can currently do [email protected] at 4:2:0. Samsung does it. There's even an Alienware monitor that uses a LGD WOLED panel that does it. There's something else going on here. Just like how 120 BFI was ghosted away without a word.
Unfortunately, there won't be any consumer HDMI 2.1 devices to be tested when C10 launches, either.
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Question why is LG in a Race to the bottom with themselves ?

The current value for a 55” C9 is amazing. And I can understand a lot of people want 65” 75” or bigger

I want to see where that 48” OLED launches next year.

I would also like to see lighter TVs my goodness the 55” C9 was almost too much for me one person and a 65” is definitely a 2 person job.
Race to the bottom with themselves? Are you implying that no other OLED manufacturer in town equates to no competition? Pretty sure people still buy LCDs...

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Native 1440p @ 60Hz.
Not going to happen. The C10 will be a 4K panel just like the C9. The next thing is going up to 8K, not down to 1440p.
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Horrible excuse. You don't need HDMI 2.1 to do [email protected] You can currently do [email protected] at 4:2:0. Samsung does it. There's even an Alienware monitor that uses a LGD WOLED panel that does it. There's something else going on here. Just like how 120 BFI was ghosted away without a word.
Who's making excuses? For whatever reason they're choosing to enable 4K120 all at once instead of piecemeal.

There's nothing else going on here. Those other panels can't do 4K120 at anything other than 8-bit 4:2:0 while the LG can. There's nothing nefarious about LG deciding to wait and enable it all at once.
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