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OLED is it right for me?

Good evening all, I find myself in the market for a TV for the first time in almost a decade. I’ve got a 1010p panny plasma in this room right now. This TV has been very good to me and yet I’ve been considering upgrading. I’m looking for something larger.

As a basis of information gathering, is OLED considered the best technology currently available for UHD TVs? Are OLEDs significantly more expensive than competing technologies?

I’m looking for something in the range of 65 to 70 inches, as thin as possible and potentially curved. As silly as it sounds I’ll be watching primarily cable television 720 P and 10 ADI on the set. Understanding that is it even worth upgrading?

I’ve been out of the game so long I would appreciate any information or advice on where to start. Thanks in advance!
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Well curved TVs came and went so you missed out on that one. Samsung might make one cheap curved lcd still not sure. It’s not an oled though. It really depends on how much you want to spend to what is available. If you are looking for a “good” tv they come in 65”. 70 isn’t a popular size you would have to go up to 75 for lcd or 77 for oled.
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If you are watching a lot of cable TV as background viewing/audio I'd probably go for a LCD (LED/QLED/etc) as OLED requires more care about what you watch since logos/banners/scrolling text fields will cause image retention/burn-in over a long period of time if you are not specifically being aware of static elements on the screen. LG has improved the technology since the first OLED releases but it's still susceptible if you are not careful. If you were just watching movies or logo-free streaming services (ie Netflix) then the OLED would make sense, however I'd say the latest top end Samsung QLED's have caught up to OLED in quite a few aspects in the last few years (ie black levels).

I'd say OLED is more expensive in general over the cheaper ranges of LED/QLED TV's but end up being the same if you're after a high end QLED TV (which includes better black levels, better HDR, local dimming, etc). If you didn't care about black levels or HDR and just wanted cable TV watching a cheaper end LED/QLED would work as a low maintenance TV. OLED still wins on being thin but most of the newer TV's are pretty good (not like back in 2008 when they weighed a ton and had massive bezels).

Info on BI/IR on the older C7 OLEDs is here - not everyone gets it but you should be aware of it.
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Coming from a plasma, OLED is the best tech for you due to the best black levels and contrast. The Sony A9G has the best upscaling/processing, so that would be my recommendation for watching 1080i/720p broadcasts. The risk of burn-in is low (as it was for plasma) as long as you don't watch the same static logo such as CNN 24/7 (if you vary your viewing, you'll be fine).
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I’m also contemplating an OLED coming from a Panny Plasma.
I want the A9G but can’t justify the price, especially since it’s less ‘future proof’ (no hdmi 2.1) and $1k more than say the LG C9. The picture on the A9G is amazing though,
My main concern is: will OLED be the next plasma (i.e. better technology/picture but fades out because of price, image retention issues etc)? Also, similar to when VHS won out over beta because of the porn industry, LCDs are winning out over other technologies because of gamers.
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^right now imo nothing beats oled, so getting either the Sony or LG will be a win win...however there is always something around the Horizon. I'm sure a few years down the road something will overtake Oled as the dominant tech.
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Exclamation You CAN get "burn in" without 24/7 viewing w/ same logo...

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Coming from a plasma, OLED is the best tech for you due to the best black levels and contrast. The Sony A9G has the best upscaling/processing, so that would be my recommendation for watching 1080i/720p broadcasts. The risk of burn-in is low (as it was for plasma) as long as you don't watch the same static logo such as CNN 24/7 (if you vary your viewing, you'll be fine).
With all due respect Bill, that is a very tired stock answer that I have read over and over, and it is NEVER accurate. You certainly DO NOT have to play a CNN logo or other prominent red logo anywhere near 24/7 in order to develop burn-in. The questioner asked an honest question and deserves an honest (unexaggerated answer).
The appropriate answer is that there have been multiple studies (especially Rtings) and it is difficult to develop burn-in, but not a specifically objective predictable number of hours. Some panel-to-panel variation is at play AND settings (e.g. if you set the panel on "Vivid", etc.) You certainly need to move the image (change channels periodically, and DO avoid big honking' red logos either for long continuous periods OR if daily, not for many constant hours). It is not just a "continuous" issue but the same logo in same spot for OVER a usage of years (the more red used in same spot).
But many, many people have gotten "burn-in" without 24/7 usage of same channel.

Again, vary your usage, avoid "VIVID" setting, and avoid same "tickers" or logos daily for many hours continuously. Most people that follow a reasonable protocol are just fine.
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Again, vary your usage, avoid "VIVID" setting, and avoid same "tickers" or logos daily for many hours continuously. Most people that follow a reasonable protocol are just fine.
Fully agree (I should have added to avoid Vivid mode). The main point is that the risk of burn-in is low with normal usage, and those posting to avoid OLEDs at all cost due to a high risk of burn-in with normal usage are certainly not accurate or helpful.

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With all due respect Bill, that is a very tired stock answer that I have read over and over, and it is NEVER accurate. You certainly DO NOT have to play a CNN logo or other prominent red logo anywhere near 24/7 in order to develop burn-in. The questioner asked an honest question and deserves an honest (unexaggerated answer).
The appropriate answer is that there have been multiple studies (especially Rtings) and it is difficult to develop burn-in, but not a specifically objective predictable number of hours. Some panel-to-panel variation is at play AND settings (e.g. if you set the panel on "Vivid", etc.) You certainly need to move the image (change channels periodically, and DO avoid big honking' red logos either for long continuous periods OR if daily, not for many constant hours). It is not just a "continuous" issue but the same logo in same spot for OVER a usage of years (the more red used in same spot).
But many, many people have gotten "burn-in" without 24/7 usage of same channel.

Again, vary your usage, avoid "VIVID" setting, and avoid same "tickers" or logos daily for many hours continuously. Most people that follow a reasonable protocol are just fine.
If you never had burn-in on a plasma, it is even less likely you will have burn-in on an OLED.

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If you never had burn-in on a plasma, it is even less likely you will have burn-in on an OLED.
This is not an accurate statement either. Burn In works a little differently on OLED than on Plasma. There are many people that have never had BI on their plasma, but have gotten it on their OLED. Myself included.
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however I'd say the latest top end Samsung QLED's have caught up to OLED in quite a few aspects in the last few years (ie black levels).
Not even close.
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Not even close.
To be fair, any FALD that can turn its backlights off completely when showing an all black screen, can match OLEDs on black levels... when showing an all black screen...

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If you are coming from a plasma you should go to Oled. Plasma owners are not used to the blooming on LCD tvs and you could find it distracting leading to buyers remorse and returning the TV, upgrading to Oled ensures that you wont have these issues.
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To be fair, any FALD that can turn its backlights off completely when showing an all black screen, can match OLEDs on black levels... when showing an all black screen...
OLED black levels are not about a black screen, they're about a lot of detail in very dark scenes/areas, and FALD can't do that yet.
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OLED black levels are not about a black screen, they're about a lot of detail in very dark scenes/areas, and FALD can't do that yet.
In case it didn't come across from my usage of "...", I was trolling in a good natured way.
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q90r indeed looks very close to a lg c9 in a brightly lit room in all but a handful of scenes like starry skies. your ambient lighting has a major impact on how your eyes perceive contrast. darken the room, the oled pulls ahead. brightly lit room, the q90 blacks are quite close to a lg c9 barring a handful of scenes. i just got to see them SBS a week ago. and frankly i was a little surprised how good the samsung q90 looked, even though it's only got 480 LDZ. dolby vision is my biggest gripe with samsung, else i would be keen on buying a q90 or one of its successors.
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OLED black levels are not about a black screen, they're about a lot of detail in very dark scenes/areas, and FALD can't do that yet.
Yeah details like vertical bands in very dark scenes and chrominance overshoot in very dark areas, which oleds really seem to have mastered
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^yeah heres one for ya...in my house I have a 77C8, a 940e and a 75Q8...my C8 dominates both when it comes to shadow detail and near black...those sets also suffer from uniformity issues and Oled isnt the only tech that suffers from vertical banding...just in case
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I never once saw flashing artifacts on my previous sony lcd in dark scenes, and this oled I have now cant show a simple 1080p blu ray outdoor night scene without coming across flashing in some part of the picture. even faint flashing is easily distracting in a dark room. these artifacts are a direct result of the chrominance overshoot that happens on oleds, it was a non issue on my lcd. and then there's vertical bands, when the camera pans in a dark scene, say hello. again, .my previous sony lcd did not have this. wth is the point of having more depth and contrast to dark scenes on oled when they get marred by annoying distractions.
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^not all Oleds display that issue the same same way, and at least for me, my set is good ar hiding it. If it bothers you that much I suggest going with LCD again.
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I'm going to buck the trend in this thread and suggest you stick with plasma. HDR and 4k would be good reasons to upgrade but not cable TV. Give it a couple more years. OLED motion, pixel aging, and price should improve in a couple years, then the upgrade path will be more obvious.
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^I dont know...I came from a PN64F8500 and I dont miss that set one bit.
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I'm going to buck the trend in this thread and suggest you stick with plasma. HDR and 4k would be good reasons to upgrade but not cable TV. Give it a couple more years. OLED motion, pixel aging, and price should improve in a couple years, then the upgrade path will be more obvious.


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^I dont know...I came from a PN64F8500 and I dont miss that set one bit.


I’d like to say thank you to everyone who chimed in here. The good information on this thread is awesome especially for someone who is a novice at this point on current TV technology. It’s very much appreciated.

Obveron, to your point I was going to drill down on this a little bit more. Understanding that 95% of the time I’m feeding this set a relatively poor signal in cable television either 720 P or 1080 I, am I going to see enough of an improvement moving from my plasma to an OLED to justify the cost? Its subjective I know. Still, have to admit I was a little surprised by the cost of the A9g mentioned on this thread when comparing to the price of TVs on display at Walmart for instance. Terrible example but even some of those Walmart sets look pretty nice. OLED is apparently just magnitudes more expensive tech.

This is the essence of what I’m trying to understand, will an OLED set produce a far superior picture on cable television signal when compared to my plasma currently in place.

I suppose that in addition to the new panel I will have to invest in another 4K BD player.
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I've noticed bad banding in all my friend's LCDs. I have a Panny Plasma from 2010 that doesn't have that problem.

I recently saw "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" in 35mm film in an art house which looked marvelous. When I saw it again on non 35mm in a standard movie theater, there was distacting banding all over the place.
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I'm going to buck the trend in this thread and suggest you stick with plasma. HDR and 4k would be good reasons to upgrade but not cable TV. Give it a couple more years. OLED motion, pixel aging, and price should improve in a couple years, then the upgrade path will be more obvious.


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^I dont know...I came from a PN64F8500 and I dont miss that set one bit.


I’️d like to say thank you to everyone who chimed in here. The good information on this thread is awesome especially for someone who is a novice at this point on current TV technology. It’️s very much appreciated.

Obveron, to your point I was going to drill down on this a little bit more. Understanding that 95% of the time I’️m feeding this set a relatively poor signal in cable television either 720 P or 1080 I, am I going to see enough of an improvement moving from my plasma to an OLED to justify the cost? Its subjective I know. Still, have to admit I was a little surprised by the cost of the A9g mentioned on this thread when comparing to the price of TVs on display at Walmart for instance. Terrible example but even some of those Walmart sets look pretty nice. OLED is apparently just magnitudes more expensive tech.

This is the essence of what I’️m trying to understand, will an OLED set produce a far superior picture on cable television signal when compared to my plasma currently in place.

I suppose that in addition to the new panel I will have to invest in another 4K BD player.
The only reason you should be upgrading is if you want a bigger tv. If you like Walmart TVs get one. In the end your plasma will have the best picture for cable no matter what tv you buy. Some TVs upscale better but there is only so much they can do with 720p.
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Going from a 1080p BluRay on Plasma to a 4k HDR UHD BluRay on OLED is a significant upgrade.

Just my opinion, watching cable on plasma vs OLED you will not notice much improvement. The Oled will have perfect blacks and contrast, but I'm not sure how much that will matter to your TV watching. Plasma has better motion due to it not being a sample and hold display and may better handle jerky video framerates of cable TV. Although most people don't have issues with sample and hold, so that may not matter to you. The Oled is the best tech on the market now and is superior to plasma in some significant ways. But it's a pretty expensive upgrade for cable tv. I'm not trying to talk you out of it. Just wanted to offer a different perspective from the rest of the responses in this thread.
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I'm going to buck the trend in this thread and suggest you stick with plasma. HDR and 4k would be good reasons to upgrade but not cable TV. Give it a couple more years. OLED motion, pixel aging, and price should improve in a couple years, then the upgrade path will be more obvious.


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^I dont know...I came from a PN64F8500 and I dont miss that set one bit.


I’️d like to say thank you to everyone who chimed in here. The good information on this thread is awesome especially for someone who is a novice at this point on current TV technology. It’️s very much appreciated.

Obveron, to your point I was going to drill down on this a little bit more. Understanding that 95% of the time I’️m feeding this set a relatively poor signal in cable television either 720 P or 1080 I, am I going to see enough of an improvement moving from my plasma to an OLED to justify the cost? Its subjective I know. Still, have to admit I was a little surprised by the cost of the A9g mentioned on this thread when comparing to the price of TVs on display at Walmart for instance. Terrible example but even some of those Walmart sets look pretty nice. OLED is apparently just magnitudes more expensive tech.

This is the essence of what I’️m trying to understand, will an OLED set produce a far superior picture on cable television signal when compared to my plasma currently in place.

I suppose that in addition to the new panel I will have to invest in another 4K BD player.
I have never ever seen any, (and I mean ANY ) 4K panel that looks as good as my Panny plasma (1080p panel) with broadcast 720p or 1080i. And I doubt you ever will. 4K has to “make up” what does not exist. Sony does that the best BUT still, a 1080p screen does not need to do much work there ! Until we have more 4K material, broadcast TV fans have a tough choice to make. I just do not understand 4K fans that deny the occasional “clay faces,” the weird grass on football fields, the “plastered hair.”
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Mostly good advice here. I’m an ex-plasma guy and now an OLED guy. I tried several LCDs but returned every one of them for various reasons but the main culprit was dark room performance which is a huge thing for me. Sure, during Sunday football or hockey the top tier TVs from just about any mfger or tech all look really nice. But darken the room and this is where most LCDs tended to fall apart and emissive displays like plasma and now OLED dominate.

I agree that burn in is a concern if somewhat oversold. Most people won’t ever get it and need not worry. However, certain use cases should avoid OLED. If you’re the type that turns the set on first thing and runs many of the same logo-laden channels many hours back to back most days then get an LCD. Heavy gamers should also consider an LCD. Also, If you aren’t really that concerned with picture quality and just want to slap the TV over the fireplace and leave it on vivid mode then I’d avoid OLED. You’d be wasting its performance. Like having a Ferrari 488 and using it only to deliver pizzas.

For normal, mixed usage with an emphasis on evening or dark room performance....OLED is king. Not even close. If you fall into the edge use case group or are infatuated with CNN then stay away!
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Yeah details like vertical bands in very dark scenes and chrominance overshoot in very dark areas, which oleds really seem to have mastered
For overall uniformity OLED is best. Scroll down to the results table. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...een-effect-dse
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For overall uniformity OLED is best. Scroll down to the results table. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...een-effect-dse

No doubt - I cant believe we are discussing uniformity regarding OLEDs. LCDs are notorious for "pillars" and other artifacts in dark scenes & various other conditions. OLED isnt for everyone, for sure but lets not go overboard here.
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