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Vizio Announces First OLED TVs at CES 2020

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"Irvine, CA – Jan. 5, 2020 – VIZIO, Inc., America’s fastest growing Quantum Dot company, today strengthens its position in the TV industry with the introduction of its 2020 4K HDR Smart TV collection. VIZIO is introducing more Quantum Color models with best-in-class quantum dot performance and industry-leading peak brightness – built on VIZIO’s most powerful full array local dimming backlight with next gen TV processing. The 2020 lineup also features VIZIO’s first-ever OLED TV. From the accessible 40-inch V-Series® to a massive all-new 85-inch P-Series® Quantum X, the 2020 SmartCast TV lineup is VIZIO’s highest performing and widest range ever. It also boasts SmartCast 4.0 and the all-new VIZIO Voice Remote, making it easier than ever for users to stream, control, and share their favorite content on any VIZIO SmartCast TV.

“Our mission has always been to make cutting-edge picture quality and a best-in-class smart TV user experience attainable for everyone,” said Bill Baxter, Chief Technology Officer, VIZIO. “We’re excited with the performance improvements that our new IQ video processors and ProGaming Engine bring to our 2020 lineup, especially when combined with VIZIO TVs that offer the highest performance Quantum Color and peak brightness in the industry. Plus, utilizing the new processing power to optimize the strengths of OLED picture quality proves that VIZIO’s leadership in the TV industry has never been stronger.”

Across the 2020 lineup, VIZIO’s SmartCast TVs add enhanced performance and more intelligence than ever before thanks to a first-of-its-kind processor for the U.S. market, as well as a new, powerful gaming engine. With incredible 64-bit image processing and 1 GHz CPU, the all-new VIZIO IQ processors add multi-step algorithms to more accurately upscale HD/FHD to 4K resolution, reduce noise and artifacts, and intelligently enhance detail and contrast with pixel-level brightness adjustments. The new 3D color engine works in concert with auto calibration to improve color accuracy and create an image that is true to the artist’s original intent. The premium IQ Ultra™ processor also enriches picture processing with AI and machine learning capabilities.

New for the 2020 lineup, is the introduction of VIZIO’s ProGaming Engine that takes Xbox One X and PlayStation® 4 performance to the next level with support for Variable Refresh Rates (VRR), AMD FreeSync, and resolutions up to 4K at 120Hz for greater motion clarity and smoother gameplay. The ProGaming Engine’s faster response time and the input’s lower lag further improve picture detail so that users can see every action and can respond faster than ever. In addition, Auto Game Mode with auto low latency is automatically engaged when console gameplay is detected, so users can enjoy the highest gaming performance every time they play.

In addition to upgrading the award-winning Quantum Color models, VIZIO is introducing its first-ever 4K OLED TVs in 55 and 65-inch sizes. Built for the cinephile, the TV’s self-emitting pixels offer true blacks, infinite contrast, and unmatched viewing angles, making it the perfect option for watching your favorite films in a darkened home theater. Backed by VIZIO’s IQ Ultra™ processor for unparalleled color, contrast, and clarity, the luxurious, borderless 4mm thin display blends into any space and is made to pair perfectly with the VIZIO Elevate Sound Bar, a 5.1.4 channel Dolby Atmos and DTS:X audio solution with revolutionary rotating front height speakers."
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I'm intrigued by the whole lineup here. Even the M series looks like a good product. The P series looks amazing as well. I will be very interested to see what Vizio prices their OLED at. This is gonna be fun.
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^they will most likely undercut prices on LG and Sony...good for us!
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But will they fix their terrible upscaling ?
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I’m happy to hear someone else is getting into the OLED game. More competition better prices.
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But will they fix their terrible upscaling ?
What's wrong with their upscaling? It's worse than what LG offers?
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I’m happy to hear someone else is getting into the OLED game. More competition better prices.
Yes, this year it will be interesting to see how their pricing goes since more manufacturers are jumping in the oled game. There will be more choices for everyone for sure.
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But will they fix their terrible upscaling ?
And their color banding, which seems to be the biggest complaint I read when scrolling through vizio owners threads in the lcd section. Their processing is just not good to tackle color banding. If that remains the case on their oled, there will be many complaints. Theyre still a growing company in NA, they've never sold a tv outside NA and though in terms of sales in US they got to number 2, they will need to better their processing if they want to be counted among the Tier 1 Tv brands in terms of general perception and outlook. They may have some price advantage on oled which attracts budget buyers looking to get oled, but i dont expect their 55" to be significantly cheaper in price to a LG BX or the 48" oleds from LG.
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But will they fix their terrible upscaling ?
It's mentioned in the article. Sounds like it's something they've really addressed. Hopefully it is improved!
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It's mentioned in the article. Sounds like it's something they've really addressed. Hopefully it is improved!
That's not really an article, it's a press release from Vizio and of course it will contain lots of marketing PR, it's the real world performance that matters and whether they have improved or not, we'll only find out when the tv's reach in the hands of testers, like rtings.
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In a article is stated that all TVs in the 2020 lineup are HDMI 2.1 and most include a ProGaming Engine that supports Variable Refresh Rates, AMD FreeSync and 4K gaming at up to 120 Hz with fast response time and low input lag.
https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/05/...q&guccounter=2
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^they will most likely undercut prices on LG and Sony...good for us!
But by how much, they'll have to source the oled panel from someone.

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I like that they don't pretend the tv is a good match for everyone. "Built for the cinephile, the TV’s self-emitting pixels offer..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinephilia

But then they say it's got great gaming ability too...humm

Wonder what their warranty policy will be regarding BI on what I assume will be lower priced Oleds..

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But by how much, they'll have to source the oled panel from someone.
All panels for now are sourced from LG unless something has changed. They can still price them lower.
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I have a family member with a new Vizio TV, what a piece of junk.
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I have a family member with a new Vizio TV, what a piece of junk.
Excellent context, now we understand perfectly. Everyone stay away from Vizio because this guy has a "family member with a new Vizio and it's a piece of junk". Explains everything, thanks for the detailed analysis.
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#1 . Vizio 55” 4K OLED HDMI 2.1 check
#2 . 55” insane price at Costco + Costco 5 year Warranty no questions asked
#3 . Vizio 48” OLED probably sub $998 at Costco +5 Year Warranty I’m officially selling my two Gaming Displays

Looks amazing.

https://www.techhive.com/article/351...tv-at-ces.html
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They definitely will be a BIG sellers at Costco and Sam's club....
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Excellent context, now we understand perfectly. Everyone stay away from Vizio because this guy has a "family member with a new Vizio and it's a piece of junk". Explains everything, thanks for the detailed analysis.
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I have a family member with a new Vizio TV, what a piece of junk.
I bought an M65 in late 2017, mainly for HDR gaming. It set me back 800$, while a 55" LG B8 was about 2.8k$ (the 65" was around 3.5k iirc, all canadian dollars).

My thinking was buying a decent stopgap for HDR gaming, waiting for hdmi 2.1 sets at a better price in the future.

I'll probably go with the new LG Oleds that got announced at CES 2020, but I am 100% satisfied with my purchase of the Vizio M series, counting all factors (including price). In fact I bought a couple of the cheaper series to hang around my wife's business and they did their job well (mostly playing netflix).
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Happy to help!
Well you certainly proved your point. Vizio will most likely be out of business at some point this year.
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Sounds like Vizio won't be getting the 48" size, unless that's added later once the 48" panels hit he market?


Either way, just like with all OLEDs with an LG panel, the level of Vizio's OLED success will be determined by its processing - upscaling, near black detail, color accuracy, motion, etc.


There have been some cheap Chinese OLEDs released (Hisense, Konka, Skyworth) in non-USA markets which have performed quite poorly, so I'm not going to assume anything about Vizio's 1st Gen OLED.
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#1 . Vizio 55” 4K OLED HDMI 2.1 check
#2 . 55” insane price at Costco + Costco 5 year Warranty no questions asked
#3 . Vizio 48” OLED probably sub $998 at Costco +5 Year Warranty I’m officially selling my two Gaming Displays

Looks amazing.

https://www.techhive.com/article/351...tv-at-ces.html
Is vizio getting the 48" oled too?
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The Vizio OLED line-up is looking promising for gamers.

Comparable features to LG OLEDs:
-HDMI 2.1 48Gbps ports
-ProGaming Engine supports 4k120, FreeSync, HDMI-VRR (48-120 Hz), and ALLM
-eARC
-UHD Alliance Filmmaker Mode

Advantages to LG OLEDs:
-HDR10+ support
-Elevate soundbar mounts to bottom of TV and has 2 full-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports (LG 2020 soundbars only have HDMI 2.0)
-Likely to be several hundred dollars cheaper

Disadvantages to LG OLEDs:
-No 48" model (vs CX)
-No 77" model
-No ATSC 3.0 tuner (vs GX)
-No confirmed 4k120 4:2:0 over HDMI 2.0
-No confirmed 1440p120 support
-No confirmed HGiG mode (although Vizio is part of this initiative)
-No confirmed BFI 120 Hz
-Dolby Vision vs Dolby Vision IQ

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No prices yet? I'm freaking dying to know what the prices will be.
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The Vizio OLED line-up is looking promising for gamers.

Comparable features to LG OLEDs:
-HDMI 2.1 48Gbps ports
-ProGaming Engine supports 4k120, FreeSync, HDMI-VRR (48-120 Hz), and ALLM
-eARC
-UHD Alliance Filmmaker Mode

Advantages to LG OLEDs:
-HDR10+ support
-Elevate soundbar mounts to bottom of TV and has 2 full-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports (LG 2020 soundbars only have HDMI 2.0)
-Likely to be several hundred dollars cheaper

Disadvantages to LG OLEDs:
-No 48" model (vs CX)
-No ATSC 3.0 tuner (vs GX)
-No confirmed 4k120 4:2:0 over HDMI 2.0
-No confirmed 1440p120 support
-No confirmed HGiG mode (although Vizio is part of this initiative)
-No confirmed BFI 120 Hz
-Dolby Vision vs Dolby Vision IQ
You forgot one disadvantage. No 77"
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