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[CES 2020] Panasonic unveils HZ2000 flagship 4K OLED TV

Panasonic has a brand new flagship OLED TV, the HZ2000, featuring Dolby Vision IQ, a revamped custom professional panel, increased peak brightness and Filmmaker Mode.

For more info, visit: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pa...hz2000-oled-tv
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The most important question: will it be released in the U.S.?
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The most important question: will it be released in the U.S.?
No.
There is so much competition this year in US with the entry of chinese brands Konka, Hisense and US local brand vizio who will all launch oleds and will easily undercut panasonic in pricing. So panasonic won't bother.
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Panasonic has a brand new flagship OLED TV, the HZ2000, featuring Dolby Vision IQ, a revamped custom professional panel, increased peak brightness and Filmmaker Mode.

For more info, visit: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pa...hz2000-oled-tv
That's good to hear that they talk of revamped professional panel, they arent just sticking in the same GZ2000 panel.
Me , im more looking forward to HZ1000, whose details we may get at panasonic's own event later in the year.

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In terms of picture performance, you can expect inky blacks and decent highlights from the HZ2000 in a more natural tone than last year's OLEDs. That means it’s not as overly saturated as other sets, but the colors are impressive in their accuracy. The same could be said for the peak brightness that’s a bit less than Samsung’s QLED TVs but you won’t get the same oversaturation issues.

As for OLED’s weak area in terms of brightness, Panasonic says this year’s panels will be brighter than last year – but has yet to provide final numbers in terms of peak brightness. That brightness comes in handy when watching HDR content and, to that end, you can expect broad HDR support (HDR10, HDR10+ and Dolby Vision).

Have issues with motion processing? With Filmmaker Mode, you’ll get movies just as the director intended with motion processing turned off. We’ll have to see what the final implementation looks like, but its inclusion is promising at the very least.

Last year Panasonic brought its best and brightest TV to CES, and this year is no different – and we can say with confidence that the HZ2000 is one of the best-looking TVs of the show so far.

It doesn’t have as many features as some of its contemporaries or much innovation in the design department, but in terms of sheer visual prowess, Panasonic’s 2020 flagship OLED has a lot to offer.

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If it's worth it, someone from the USA can just drive to Canada and get it. We'll see if it is the cream of the crop with OLEDs. I'm talking movies and games. Does it have all the bells and whistles for gamers? GSync/Freesync, auto low latency, variable refresh rate? Does it have HDMI 2.1? Does it have at least 120hz BFI? What is the peak brightness? Questions, questions.
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No HDMI 2.1. Same with Sony's new OLEDs. What a joke.
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No HDMI 2.1. Same with Sony's new OLEDs. What a joke.

Then LG wins. Good job to LG.
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Then LG wins. Good job to LG.
Let me know if LG can beat or equal an OOTB panasonic pro1 or pro2 mode in accuracy and near black, i'll be interested in the LG. I dont care about the brand, i want the best performance.
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^its ok for folks to have their own personal opinions...its not Only about what You care. A lot of us also aren't able to see Panasonics Oleds.

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^its ok for folks to have their own personal opinions...its not Only about what You care.
If you can quantatively prove that LG out of box has accuracy and near black as good or better than panasonic, then im willing to see those measurements. Last year that surely wasn't the case, it's an important consideration to people like me who arent going to get the tv calibrated. Hdmi 2.1 is based on needs, as a movie watcher there is no real use for hdmi 2.1, or even for an old consoles gamer. But if you play on xbox one or pc or looking to get the ps5 or next xbox, then you will care about hdmi 2.1. And that's fine. For a hardcore gamer, that 48" lg oled might be the best choice.
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^reread the last part of my post as I edited it. I'm sure you're aware but Panasonic is not sold here in the U.S. so no one here can make that comparison unless they drive up north to pick one up. If you wanna beat your chest on how much better the ootb picture is on the Panasonic...good for you...I'm sure a lot of us here would like to get our hands on one.
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^reread the last part of my post as I edited it. I'm sure you're aware but Panasonic is not sold here in the U.S. so no one here can make that comparison unless they drive up north to pick one up. If you wanna beat your chest on how much better the ootb picture is on the Panasonic...good for you...I'm sure a lot of us here would like to get our hands on one.
Yeah i know they arent marketed in the US , but then why even begin a thread about it here, whats the point? And I can see people preferring lg over other brand because of their needs, but saying lg has hdmi 2.1 while others don't.. means that lg wins, also doesnt make sense. There are millions of non gamers out there. For a movie lover, unless 4k movies get encoded in 4:4:4 and/or hollywood starts shooting at 120 frames per second, the increased hdmi 2.1 video bandwidth won't be worth it until then.
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^my point was that folks are entitled to their opinions just as you are...I personally am not one to say one Oled brand is better than the next because I've never made side by side comparisons, and believe they are too similar to really tell the difference...I think they are all great and offer something for their consumers, but you still want a TV that offers the best features not just 1.

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Sure they have strengths and once all of them are calibrated, i think a lg would look rather close to a panasonic which would look rather close to a sony. But im just looking for the best out of box performer as calibrations are ridiculously expensive in my country, so am eyeing panasonic. And LG or sony have still not done a custom panel on their oleds, panasonic did last year, and this year they are refining the panel a bit more..i dont care about the increased 'nits' as i watch in a pretty dark room (i want the HZ1000 not 2000) but someone using in a more brighter room might like it. I would take panel refinements that affect picture before i would take an hdmi 2.1 port. But either way, if someone has hdmi 2.1 gaming as their priority on the top of their list, then LG is the better choice for them, that 48" lg oled should make for a nice pc gaming monitor.
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No HDMI 2.1. Same with Sony's new OLEDs. What a joke.
I'm going to assume we see an A9H near end of the year. Sony year end releases happen quite a lot with their highest models.
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Sony might well be announcing and launch A9H around september with hdmi 2.1, but that doesnt apply to panasonic. The specs of the HZ2000 are out on one of the panasonic sites, it supports eARC and ALLM among the 2.1 features, and of course both these features are possible on a hdmi 2.0b chipset. I suspect the rest of the panasonic lineup for 2020 will also support eARC and ALLM. I think if you're looking at a gaming oriented tv with panasonic, you are in the wrong place. If you see panasonic's history, they have never catered their tv's towards gamers. So gaming features or large screen sizes (no 77" HZ2000) is not what they favor, they sell some of these oleds in the professional market to use as a reference monitor in color grading studios.

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If it's worth it, someone from the USA can just drive to Canada and get it.
True, but you would have to bring it back to Canada for service if it needs servicing (IMO, not worth it).
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Depends on your USA location. If you're in one of the border states, it doesn't seem like a huge issue for the small chance of ever needing warranty service. No other option if you want this set for its unique features (brightest OLED panel, least near-black vertical banding, HDR10+, better panel cooling/lifespan, etc.).
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First video from the CES showfloor

Colors look a little more refined than last year. Look around 0:47, the OOTB colors look natural but great, without giving the perception of blown out, oversaturated colors (samsung and tcl should pay heed). New features are dolby vision IQ (the dynamic tone mapping adjusts automatically using a light sensor), the dolby vision mode can be calibrated now and something interesting is that the tv offers an option in the settings menu to choose your own tone mapping target with hdr content...you can specify the 'nits' target or you can simply choose hard clip, so you are no longer bound by the default manufacturer specific tone mapping algorithm, you can customize the tone mapping from the settings menu ( to my knowledge there's no other tv so far that allows this) and I guess this also would render the hdr optimizer feature useless that the panasonic UB820/UB9000 blu ray players have?
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The least Panasonic could do is make their OLEDs available to the American market via their own website (or Amazon).

I can understand them not wanting to sell via American big box retailers, but having an e-com channel shouldn't be a big deal.

Any repairs/returns could be handled via shipment.

I'm sure many American videophiles would buy their high-end, customized OLEDs just based on technical reviews and reputation alone.
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If it's worth it, someone from the USA can just drive to Canada and get it. We'll see if it is the cream of the crop with OLEDs. I'm talking movies and games. Does it have all the bells and whistles for gamers? GSync/Freesync, auto low latency, variable refresh rate? Does it have HDMI 2.1? Does it have at least 120hz BFI? What is the peak brightness? Questions, questions.
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So it looks like the HZ2000 will have HDMI 2.1. Hmm.
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One interesting thing that interview with the panasonic guy in the video above is that he says it's not so much about graded panels as it is about what you do with the panels once they get into your hands. Panasonic performs QC and error correction on the panels before they get the nod to be used on the oled tv, this is a separate process than the large heatsink they use on the back of the panel to dissipate heat better and allow the pixels to be driven harder for higher peak brightness levels.

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Do you guys think there's massive difference between GZ2000 vs HZ2000?

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First video from the CES showfloor
https://youtu.be/U6MHccp8xnM

Colors look a little more refined than last year. Look around 0:47, the OOTB colors look natural but great, without giving the perception of blown out, oversaturated colors (samsung and tcl should pay heed).
The camera is overexposing everything , how can you judge the picture quality from this video?
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No HDMI 2.1. Same with Sony's new OLEDs. What a joke.
Looks like you spoke too soon
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The camera is overexposing everything , how can you judge the picture quality from this video?
Because one of the av forums editor took a look in person at the booth and he says the same, colors are slightly better than last year but wont be a major difference. panasonic is also advertising higher peak brightness on the custom panel compared to gz2000 but that remains to be seen. however some refinements to the processing as well as the custom panel resulting in improvements to color accuracy and/or brightness should not be anything surprising. this will be a better tv than the gz2000 with the addition of other features too (filmmmaker mode, dolby vision IQ, ability to calibrate dolby vision, more color point controls, setting a nits target/hard clip option in the settings menu...). To me the disappointinng thing is they havent done away with the fancy sound system for a lower price (as was being rumored), they are forcing you to buy the fancy sound system and i expect this tv to cost over 4000 for the 65".im not willing to pay that much, or have use for the 900-1000 nits the custom panel will bring, so im looking at the HZ1000 which will get announced at panasonic's own even next month.
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Looks like you spoke too soon
It still may only support eARC and ALLM among hdmi 2.1 featres. Companies are allowed to use the hdmi 2.1 moniker even if a couple of hdmi 2.1 features are supported. On one of the panasonic sites where the specs are up, it says 'hdmi 2.1 eARC, ALLM'.
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Summer 2020 being pointed as the release timeframe for the panasonic oleds, as usual it will be a much longer wait for panasonic unlike lg and sony. Last year the models never started showing up before july and that was only in uk and a few other countries. Might be until august or september that i'm able to get my hands on the HZ1000. My sony oled should hold me off.

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