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85" plus options among 2020 TVs

I've had my current 78" Samsung for about five years and have been waiting to pull the trigger on something 85" or up.

I'm only looking at regular consumer prices (so nothing above $20k).

What are the big contenders in that space now that we know this year's offerings?

Here's what I see so far (does this all check out?):

Sony:
* 85-inch Z8H (8K)
* 85-inch X950H (4K)
* 85-inch X900H (4K)

Samsung:
* 98-inch Q800T (8K—wall mountable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIchIhz1nLY)
* 85-inch Q950T
* 85-inch Q900T

Vizio:
* 85-inch P-Series® Quantum X (4K, I believe)

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* 88-inch ZX OLED (8K—previous year can't be wall mounted, does this year's model have same issue?)
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* H65G (4K / budget)

Any guesses on the pricing on these? I think only the pricing on the Hisense has been announced—the 85" is supposed to be under $2000).

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I've had my current 78" Samsung for about five years and have been waiting to pull the trigger on something 85" or up.

I'm only looking at regular consumer prices (so nothing above $20k).

What are the big contenders in that space now that we know this year's offerings?
The 88Z9 is discounted to under $20K right now and I will not be surprised to see the 88ZX launch at an MSRP of $19,999...

If you’ve got $20K to spend on your next TV and want a 2020 model with a screen which is 85” or more, I don’t think you’ll find a better offering than the 88ZX...
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I've had my current 78" Samsung for about five years and have been waiting to pull the trigger on something 85" or up.

I'm only looking at regular consumer prices (so nothing above $20k).

What are the big contenders in that space now that we know this year's offerings?

88" Samsung $10k Crutchfield

Lots of others even lower than $2k: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...30.kFYKmYUTSWk

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I've had my current 78" Samsung for about five years and have been waiting to pull the trigger on something 85" or up.

I'm only looking at regular consumer prices (so nothing above $20k).

What are the big contenders in that space now that we know this year's offerings?

88" Samsung $10k Crutchfield

Lots of others even lower than $2k: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...30.kFYKmYUTSWk
First, the OP specifically asked about ‘thus year’s offerings’ and the 88Q9F is a 2017 TV (3 years old).

Second, the OP asked about ‘big contenders’ for 85” and over at a budget of no more than $20K, and I think you’d be hard-pressed to claim the 2017 88Q9 is a leading contender at that size and for that budget in today’s market.

If the budget was $10K rather than $20K and if older-generation TVs are in the running, the 88Q9 may well be the best 88” TV for $10K, but it’s likely to be pretty outdated (no HDMI2.0, no Dolby Vision, etc...), which I understood the OP was not interested to trade-off for savings (at least within his budget)...
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The 88Z9 is discounted to under $20K right now and I will not be surprised to see the 88ZX launch at an MSRP of $19,999...

If you’ve got $20K to spend on your next TV and want a 2020 model with a screen which is 85” or more, I don’t think you’ll find a better offering than the 88ZX...
One idiosyncratic dealbreaker with the 88Z9 was that it *cannot be wall mounted.*

Do we know yet if the 88ZX has the same problem?

Other than that, most offerings up to 98" can still be wall mounted, so it's not a weight/load bearing issue, it's just a dumb design decision they made because they're not thinking about mass adoption by ordinary consumers, I guess.
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The 88Z9 is discounted to under $20K right now and I will not be surprised to see the 88ZX launch at an MSRP of $19,999...

If you’️ve got $20K to spend on your next TV and want a 2020 model with a screen which is 85â€Â or more, I don’️t think you’️ll find a better offering than the 88ZX...
One idiosyncratic dealbreaker with the 88Z9 was that it *cannot be wall mounted.*

Do we know yet if the 88ZX has the same problem?

Other than that, most offerings up to 98" can still be wall mounted, so it's not a weight/load bearing issue, it's just a dumb design decision they made because they're not thinking about mass adoption by ordinary consumers, I guess.
Good point. Don’t know. Could be a good question to email to Vincent Toh at HDTVTEST or John Archer at Forbes since they seem to have good inside tracks back to LG...

Honestly, if I had $20K to spend on an 88” TV, no way I would let a little thing like wall-mounting versus rigging up a low platform to support a stand keep me from getting a WOLED.

If you only care about on-angle viewing, watch with some ambient light, don’t really need ‘True’ 8K, or desire eye-searing brightness, an LED/LCD may be a better choice for you.

But if you read the reviews, you’ll see that many experienced evaluators consider the 88Z9 the best semi-affordable TV ever made (the $100,000+ MicroLEDs such as The Wall being the only better technology).

And the 88ZX is likely to be superior to the 88Z9 in several notable ways (we’ll need to await the reviews).
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Good point. Don’t know. Could be a good question to email to Vincent Toh at HDTVTEST or John Archer at Forbes since they seem to have good inside tracks back to LG...

Honestly, if I had $20K to spend on an 88” TV, no way I would let a little thing like wall-mounting versus rigging up a low platform to support a stand keep me from getting a WOLED.

If you only care about on-angle viewing, watch with some ambient light, don’t really need ‘True’ 8K, or desire eye-searing brightness, an LED/LCD may be a better choice for you.

But if you read the reviews, you’ll see that many experienced evaluators consider the 88Z9 the best semi-affordable TV ever made (the $100,000+ MicroLEDs such as The Wall being the only better technology).

And the 88ZX is likely to be superior to the 88Z9 in several notable ways (we’ll need to await the reviews).
Thanks for this. It really does seem like the best option. I care very much about OLED black levels.

The trouble is the TV has to go on a wall over a fireplace. (Calm down, videophiles, it's a low to the ground fireplace and the mount will be only barely above eye level... but it does mean there's no way to swing the Z9's bolted-on stand.) If I could control that aspect, I'd be completely fine with a stand. But I can't.
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Thanks for this. It really does seem like the best option. I care very much about OLED black levels.

The trouble is the TV has to go on a wall over a fireplace. (Calm down, videophiles, it's a low to the ground fireplace and the mount will be only barely above eye level... but it does mean there's no way to swing the Z9's bolted-on stand.) If I could control that aspect, I'd be completely fine with a stand. But I can't.
Why can't you mount it to a stand and still swing it out?
Get a competent machine shop to mount a bracket to the wall mount and bolt the stand to it. I'm sure the unit must have strapping on the back to keep it from being pulled over on top of kids. utilize those to stabilize unit to wall mount.
Or get a wood shop to build a custom unit to house the oled that they mount to the wall bracket.
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Good point. Don’️t know. Could be a good question to email to Vincent Toh at HDTVTEST or John Archer at Forbes since they seem to have good inside tracks back to LG...

Honestly, if I had $20K to spend on an 88” TV, no way I would let a little thing like wall-mounting versus rigging up a low platform to support a stand keep me from getting a WOLED.

If you only care about on-angle viewing, watch with some ambient light, don’️t really need ‘True’️ 8K, or desire eye-searing brightness, an LED/LCD may be a better choice for you.

But if you read the reviews, you’️ll see that many experienced evaluators consider the 88Z9 the best semi-affordable TV ever made (the $100,000+ MicroLEDs such as The Wall being the only better technology).

And the 88ZX is likely to be superior to the 88Z9 in several notable ways (we’️ll need to await the reviews).
Thanks for this. It really does seem like the best option. I care very much about OLED black levels.

The trouble is the TV has to go on a wall over a fireplace. (Calm down, videophiles, it's a low to the ground fireplace and the mount will be only barely above eye level... but it does mean there's no way to swing the Z9's bolted-on stand.) If I could control that aspect, I'd be completely fine with a stand. But I can't.
Oh, I see (and feel your pain).

I’m in the same situation when it comes to anything bigger than 77” in front of the fireplace is the only spot. I’m hoping rollable 88” WOLEDs eventually become affordable enough for me to go that route when my next-to-next upgrade comes around (probably just going from a 65C6 to a 77CX for now),
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No thoughts on other options? Any estimates on list price of the 98" Samsung?
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No thoughts on other options? Any estimates on list price of the 98" Samsung?
The 98 inch Samsung TV lists for $60,000.
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I’m personally a Sony fan but am eyeing the Q 950 t myself. It looks quite promising and will be well under your target price.
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Nec makes a 98 for under 10g. I know it's for presentation, but might calibrate nicely
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The 98 inch Samsung TV lists for $60,000.
Nope, that's last year's. The 98-inch Q800T they just announced has not been priced yet as far as I'm aware. Presumably it will be significantly cheaper, the question is how much.
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I'll go out on a limb and say $40k.
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If you can live with your 78" for another year, I would do that. My gut feeling is a year from now, 85+" TVs will be much more affordable and will have a wider selection.
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If you can live with your 78" for another year, I would do that. My gut feeling is a year from now, 85+" TVs will be much more affordable and will have a wider selection.
Really hope this is true. For a while we've had a situation where the availability of these models has fluctuated year-to-year, with some years featuring 100"-120" reference models in limited runs (Vizio even made a 120" in 2014 or 15, if I recall) and other years rolling back to no options at all in this space.

I do have a similar sense to yours, that manufacturers are standardizing toward having 85+ options for the first time, as opposed to just dabbling. But I guess we'll have to see. Eventually it'll be one of the only ways to differentiate models for consumers that have no other reason to upgrade. (And I'm dubious of consumers finding 8K persuasive at anything but the ultra-ultra-niche level.)
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If you can live with your 78" for another year, I would do that. My gut feeling is a year from now, 85+" TVs will be much more affordable and will have a wider selection.
I agree. There just aren’t a ton of viable choices in that size range right now. I still love my 65” E6 OLED but like every red blooded American I want a larger size and eventually will go that route. I’d like to see an OLED in the 82” to 85” range. The 77” just isn’t enough of a jump in size. I know LG did announce an 88” but that’s gonna be very expensive!

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A hypothetical 85" would also be prohibitively expensive at this point in time.
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I agree. There just aren’t a ton of viable choices in that size range right now. I still love my 65” E6 OLED but like every red blooded American I want a larger size and eventually will go that route. I’d like to see an OLED in the 82” to 85” range. The 77” just isn’t enough of a jump in size. I know LG did announce an 88” but that’s gonna be very expensive!
77 is still good depending on how far away you sit from it
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Oh I hear ya - and I havent ruled it out. Its just, once you get the 77" home we KNOW how this works.

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Oh I hear ya - and I havent ruled it out. Its just, once you get the 77" home we KNOW how this works.

40% larger area is a pretty decent increase in surface area. Having just made the jump this weekend from 65" to 77" I couldn't be happier. It has taken the HT to a whole new level.
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40% larger area is a pretty decent increase in surface area. Having just made the jump this weekend from 65" to 77" I couldn't be happier. It has taken the HT to a whole new level.


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40% larger area is a pretty decent increase in surface area. Having just made the jump this weekend from 65" to 77" I couldn't be happier. It has taken the HT to a whole new level.

Yeah - I guess the "math" doesnt lie: 40% is a lot. I know. Great call on the 77". Im jealous. I also have to take into account that the 77" is reasonably priced and in my budgetary range. It'll fit on our Bello stand which the wifey wont give up, lol.

I just dont want to spend that money and then in two years be like "Damn, shoulda, coulda, woulda"
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