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My Next 4k UHD TV Spec sheet

My next TV in late 2020 must have list.
Have I missed anything?

1. Must be a NextGen TV with ATSC 3.0 Tuner
2. Size 55” – 65”
3. OLED 4K Ultra High Definition - 3840 x 2160
4. Minimum 120 Hz refresh rate or higher
5. HDMI 2.1 (4k @ 120hz) Minimum 4 HDMI Ports, HDMI ARC or eARC?
6. HDR or they are all the same?
7. Sound ?
8. Wifi
9. Bluetooth

1st Choice LG or Samsung?
Your inputs please
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Thread moved to OLED Displays. HDTV Technical is a broadcasters' area. Not a lot of consumer displays discussed, there.

Walking the fine line between jaw-dropping and a plain ol' yawn.
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Some requirements:



. Mura correction:
HDR TV can provide high quality images with more contrast and color.
These images should not be polluted by some visible panel imperfections (unevenness, irregularity or inconsistency in appearance) that could be fixed by a Mura / defect correction procedure.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post58795554

. Automated calibration
"All displays drift over time.
Regular calibration is a necessity, not an option, if display accuracy is to be maintained."
Inexpensive automated calibration solution accessible to everyone should be a must-have feature.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post59016592

Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!
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My next TV in late 2020 must have list.
Have I missed anything?

1. Must be a NextGen TV with ATSC 3.0 Tuner
2. Size 55” – 65”
3. OLED 4K Ultra High Definition - 3840 x 2160
4. Minimum 120 Hz refresh rate or higher
5. HDMI 2.1 (4k @ 120hz) Minimum 4 HDMI Ports, HDMI ARC or eARC?
6. HDR or they are all the same?
7. Sound ?
8. Wifi
9. Bluetooth

1st Choice LG or Samsung?
Your inputs please
120Hz BFI
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My next TV in late 2020 must have list.
Have I missed anything?

1. Must be a NextGen TV with ATSC 3.0 Tuner
2. Size 55” – 65”
3. OLED 4K Ultra High Definition - 3840 x 2160
4. Minimum 120 Hz refresh rate or higher
5. HDMI 2.1 (4k @ 120hz) Minimum 4 HDMI Ports, HDMI ARC or eARC?
6. HDR or they are all the same?
7. Sound ?
8. Wifi
9. Bluetooth

1st Choice LG or Samsung?
Your inputs please
So I guess you want an LG 65" GX?

Only HDR format the LG doesn't support is HDR10+ which essentially nothing uses and the TV can do as good as job with plain HDR10 so it really doesn't matter.
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Thread moved to OLED Displays. HDTV Technical is a broadcasters' area. Not a lot of consumer displays discussed, there.
Opps... Sorry.
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AFAIK, the only OLED TVs in those screen sizes with ATSC 3.0 that have been announced are the LG GX and WX.
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If you live in the US, ATSC 3.0 won't be happening any time soon. So far, it's all lip service and no action. Broadcasters have little incentive to invest in it. Unless the FCC mandates it like they did with digital broadcasts 20 years ago, broadcasters won't likely do anything about it.
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If you live in the US, ATSC 3.0 won't be happening any time soon. So far, it's all lip service and no action. Broadcasters have little incentive to invest in it. Unless the FCC mandates it like they did with digital broadcasts 20 years ago, broadcasters won't likely do anything about it.
Interesting... The largest station group owner, Nexstar and its CEO, seem to think differently... TVNewsCheck

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Interesting... The largest station group owner, Nexstar and its CEO, seem to think differently... TVNewsCheck
A lot of talk and no action. Par for the course.
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A lot of talk and no action. Par for the course.
It was this message that I hope gets things moving...

“If we don’t make this transition, we’re going to be an inferior distribution platform with inferior quality to even the cable universe.”

What he doesn’t want, he said, is the NFL asking why its games look so much better on ESPN in HD and 4K than they do on broadcast. “So there’s almost a defensive need to make this transition . . .”

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It was this message that I hope gets things moving...

“If we don’t make this transition, we’re going to be an inferior distribution platform with inferior quality to even the cable universe.”

What he doesn’t want, he said, is the NFL asking why its games look so much better on ESPN in HD and 4K than they do on broadcast. “So there’s almost a defensive need to make this transition . . .”
He's either full of it or he won't be CEO for much longer. Does he really believe he's going to lose viewership because football games look better on cable? Almost everyone who watches OTA don't use cable because they're trying to save money. Not because it looks better.

Any why would he care what the NFL thinks?

The return on investment by moving to ATSC 3.0 just isn't there for broadcasters.
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He's either full of it or he won't be CEO for much longer. Does he really believe he's going to lose viewership because football games look better on cable? Almost everyone who watches OTA don't use cable because they're trying to save money. Not because it looks better.

Any why would he care what the NFL thinks?

The return on investment by moving to ATSC 3.0 just isn't there for broadcasters.
The League is important to broadcasters. It's the only programming not losing tons of viewership. The FOX broadcasting network has been buying NFC market stations the past several years...

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It was this message that I hope gets things moving...

“If we don’️t make this transition, we’️re going to be an inferior distribution platform with inferior quality to even the cable universe.”

What he doesn’️t want, he said, is the NFL asking why its games look so much better on ESPN in HD and 4K than they do on broadcast. “So there’️s almost a defensive need to make this transition . . .”
He's either full of it or he won't be CEO for much longer. Does he really believe he's going to lose viewership because football games look better on cable? Almost everyone who watches OTA don't use cable because they're trying to save money. Not because it looks better.

Any why would he care what the NFL thinks?

The return on investment by moving to ATSC 3.0 just isn't there for broadcasters.
I guess you haven’t understood the added revenue opportunity targeted advertising ATSC3.0 represents to broadcasters...

There’s a strong possibility that the (voluntary) transition to ATSC 3.0 will go far faster than the (mandatory) transition to ATSC 1.0...

And in any case, it’s the usual chicken-and-egg story - why should broadcasters start broadcasting before there are a sufficient number of ATSC 3.0-capable tuners out there?

By 2024, I predict all Premium TVs will be ATSC 3.0-enabled (just in time for the 2024 Olympics ).
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The League is important to broadcasters. It's the only programming not losing tons of viewership. The FOX broadcasting network has been buying NFC market stations the past several years...
The NFL sells their packages to the highest bidder. Not to whoever has the highest definition broadcast. Otherwise they would have never inked deals with FOX or ESPN since they broadcast their games in 720p.
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I guess you haven’t understood the added revenue opportunity targeted advertising ATSC3.0 represents to broadcasters...

There’s a strong possibility that the (voluntary) transition to ATSC 3.0 will go far faster than the (mandatory) transition to ATSC 1.0...

And in any case, it’s the usual chicken-and-egg story - why should broadcasters start broadcasting before there are a sufficient number of ATSC 3.0-capable tuners out there?

By 2024, I predict all Premium TVs will be ATSC 3.0-enabled (just in time for the 2024 Olympics ).
Targeted advertising isn't going to bring in much more revenue. The vast majority of ads are targeted at everyone. And cable companies have had this capability for a long time. Have they used it?

Back in April, there was an announcement about a bunch of stations switching over this year. Since then, we're approaching the 1/2 way point to the end of this year. Has any progress been made? Has a single station switched over?
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Targeted advertising isn't going to bring in much more revenue. The vast majority of ads are targeted at everyone. And cable companies have had this capability for a long time. Have they used it?

Back in April, there was an announcement about a bunch of stations switching over this year. Since then, we're approaching the 1/2 way point to the end of this year. Has any progress been made? Has a single station switched over?
Suggest we revisit the topic after Thanksgiving...

(P.S. In what world is late January 'the 1/2 way point to the end of this year'???)

Here is the announcement I believe you were referring to from NAB '19 (April): https://www.michmab.com/atsc-3-0-bui...s/?print=print

"At the 2019 NAB Show, a broad coalition of broadcast television station groups – including both network owned-and-operated stations and affiliates, as well as public broadcasters — today announced plans to deploy Next-Gen TV in the 40 largest U.S. TV markets by the end of 2020."

They didn't say '20 markets by the end of January, they said 40 markets by the end of 2020...

No doubt availability of ATSC 3.0 recievers was an important gating element for these ATSC3.0 broadcasters, which is why the announcement of 20 ATSC 3,0 recievers at CES a few weeks ago was important: https://www.tvtechnology.com/atsc3/t...atsc-president

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Suggest we revisit the topic after Thanksgiving...

(P.S. In what world is late January 'the 1/2 way point to the end of this year'???)

Here is the announcement I believe you were referring to from NAB '19 (April): https://www.michmab.com/atsc-3-0-bui...s/?print=print

"At the 2019 NAB Show, a broad coalition of broadcast television station groups – including both network owned-and-operated stations and affiliates, as well as public broadcasters — today announced plans to deploy Next-Gen TV in the 40 largest U.S. TV markets by the end of 2020."

They didn't say '20 markets by the end of January, they said 40 markets by the end of 2020...

No doubt availability of ATSC 3.0 recievers was an important gating element for these ATSC3.0 broadcasters, which is why the announcement of 20 ATSC 3,0 recievers at CES a few weeks ago was important: https://www.tvtechnology.com/atsc3/t...atsc-president
April 2019->Dec 2020 = 21 months. April 2019->Now = 10 months, we're at about the half way point between the announcement and the deadline. And as far as I can tell, there has been no progress.
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April 2019->Dec 2020 = 21 months. April 2019->Now = 10 months, we're at about the half way point between the announcement and the deadline. And as far as I can tell, there has been no progress.
OK, but they never said to expect progress over the subsequent 21 mo the after the initial announcement.

What they said was to expect 40 stations broadcasting AVHC3.0 by the end of 2020...

If there are no active ATSC3.0 broadcasts in any of those 40 markets come Thanksgiving, I'll be ready to switch camps and join you in the 'probably Vaporware' contingent.

But until then, I think it's premature to be overly pessimistic.
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