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Please need advice quickly especially owners of both A9G and C9.

I bought the 77” C9. Last week. I watch mostly Verizon fios cable tv, sports hbo, showtime Netflix. I don’t game that much. Maybe 1 hour every other day. People are saying the A9G is 100 times better. They say the A9G colors are better motion is way better A9G upscaling blows away C9 upscaling and A9G has more of a 3D look to it. Is this true? Should I exchange the C9 and get the A9G? Please need help ASAP. I have to go back today to do it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Having had both over the years I would choose Sony over LG everyday of the week and twice on sundays, just choose the 77AG9 over the 77C9 myself
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No, the A9G does not "blow away" the C9. They are pretty close in overall PQ, each having its own advantages and disadvantages. IMO, the A9G is slightly better for upscaling (especially with lower resolution material) and for motion, but the differences are small. Some claim the C9 is slightly brighter, but the calibrators here claim they are the same if professionally calibrated. The A9G may be more accurate OTB for colors, but again, they will look the same if calibrated. Some have also complained that DV is less bright on the A9G if using ATV (I don't use ATV, so not relevant to me). Most believe the C9 is the better display for heavy gamers. The A9G won the US shoot-out and the C9 won the EU shoot-out, which tells me they are pretty close. I went with the A9G because most of my viewing is SDR (BluRay discs, TV broadcasts on Fios, and even DVDs) rather than 4k, and thus the better upscaling was important to me. You really can't go wrong with either.
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I would take the Sony for your case but I believe they are a $1,000 more right now. For an extra grand it’s a bit hard to justify unless the money is irrelevant to you.
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Get the Sony, the processing and upscaling are better. Also, Sony OLEDs have better panel uniformity according to the expert calibrators
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Get the Sony, the processing and upscaling are better. Also, Sony OLEDs have better panel uniformity according to the expert calibrators
LG sells better panels to Sony than what they use in-house? Possible, but illogical. AFAIK, no OLED TV makers have software that corrects for panel nonuniformities.
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LG sells better panels to Sony than what they use in-house? Possible, but illogical.
LG does what's called binning. The best panels go to Sony and the LG E and W models.
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^have you made those comparisons to make that kind of statement? Take a look at post #569 of the "New LG Oled at CES 2020" thread. Is he lying to the masses??? I mean that's pretty cut and dry to me.
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LG does what's called binning. The best panels go to Sony and the LG E and W models.
You probably opened a small can of worms there, because there are some people who simply refuse to believe that. And since there's no "official evidence" regarding this, makes the subject quite arguable. Though I believe binning is something that LGD employs internally. How they categorize and distribute the panels to OEM's and on what criteria, I cannot say.
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LG does what's called binning. The best panels go to Sony and the LG E and W models.
A big time LG dude was asked this at CES and after laughing, he said no.
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LG sells better panels to Sony than what they use in-house? Possible, but illogical. AFAIK, no OLED TV makers have software that corrects for panel nonuniformities.
The panels are by LGD , LGD is a separate entity from LG electronics and they're in a business to sell panels. Sony is as much of a customer to them as Lg electronics. They care about the money, if they sell graded panels to some OEM's , they would be charging the OEM's higher for those panels.
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A big time LG dude was asked this at CES and after laughing, he said no.
Yeah, its funny reading some of these posts as if their "in the know" Provide some form of proof, then Ill believe it.
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A big time LG dude was asked this at CES and after laughing, he said no.
Who was this 'big time dude', don't think i followed him, did he specifically say LG Display doesn't internally employ binning?
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^read very slowly post #8 of this very thread.
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The avforums editor asks him if a better graded panel is employed on the E series lg compared to a C, he says no, but does this answer the question whether binning is internally used by LGD and whether sony and panasonic on their high end models employ graded panels, because that's what the talk has been centred around. The avforums editor should have specifically asked about sony and panasonic.
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^lol...ok😂😂😂 Anyone can deduce that if it doesnt happen within LG as claimed in an earlier post, that it doenst happen at all, in fact he does mention that their all manufactured the same. His answer was quite clear, if you wanna spin it to fit your theory, then good for you

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I am looking to see evidence that refutes binning on panels is something that LGD does not employ internally as a company policy. These panels have a lot of variation as the evaporation process used to manufacture these panels is much less than perfect. And that's where we've had so many professionals or calibrators give their word. I've read it on multiple forums, including here. Also recall vincent teoh once speaking about binning in a non-tv review video of his, though in his tv review videos of any brand, he's stayed away from the binning topic.
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I am looking to see evidence that refutes binning on panels is something that LGD does not employ internally as a company policy. These panels have a lot of variation as the evaporation process used to manufacture these panels is much less than perfect. And that's where we've had so many professionals or calibrators give their word. I've read it on multiple forums, including here. Also recall vincent teoh once speaking about binning in a non-tv review video of his, though in his tv review videos of any brand, he's stayed away from the binning topic.
Do you own a Sony OLED or a higher-end LG (E, G, etc.)? Asking for full disclosure. I imagine that people who have paid more for a TV would like to have improved odds of getting a good panel.

Mine is an OLED55B7A. It has visible uniformity issues (mainly in form of a couple of rectangular patches at the lower left and right corners of the screen), but not enough to get me to try another play at the panel lottery.

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Do you own a Sony OLED or a higher-end LG (E, G, etc.)? Asking for full disclosure.
Yeah own a sony A9G currently , has good low grayscale uniformity, some tinting on 100% white, i haven't owned a lg E or G series, had a lower B model two years ago (my current oled is better in overall uniformity). But where i heard about binning first of all (before i read calibrators on the net saying it happens) was from my lg dealer about the W wallpaper series, where i was told the wallpaper oleds employ a higher graded panel. W series is very expensive and LG has higher margins on it, so they can afford to put in a better graded panel on it. I was also told that this is something LG does not disclose publicly because of company policy, so in interviews you won't get their executives to outrightly confirm it.
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^I think this response sums it up best with the fanboy crowd...the guy getting interviewed is not being truthful, because it goes against what you think is going on...this logic is laughable at best. I mean where do you get this evidence from...a guy at a store told you??? You heard on the internet??? Stop claiming to know what LGD's company policy is, because you dont. Believe what you want, but dont present your view as fact unless you have some evidence to support it. All you are providing is an opinion. Again choose to spin the video, but the guy was quite clear.
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If im a PR employee of a company, and my company has a strict non disclosure policy about what employees can or cannot talk about in public, then I would refrain from making that point openly. I don't say he's not being truthful, and as it is, he did not answer if LGD internally employs panel binning one way or another, but if he's under NDA you wont get a straightforward response from him.
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Uhh wait..i just had a profile check on this interviewed guy, his name is Neil Robinson,he does not work for LG Display, he's 'Senior Director, Strategic Projects at LG Electronics, US division'.
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^people interpret things differently. However you don't know if that guy was under an NDA...or am I missing something? Just like you said earlier...no one can convince you. If you wanna believe that Sony and Panasonic get better panels more power to you.
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Uhh wait..i just had a profile check on this interviewed guy, his name is Neil Robinson,he does not work for LG Display, he's 'Senior Director, Strategic Projects at LG Electronics, US division'.
And what exactly does that prove??? Should we believe Rysa_105, or the guy who works for LG
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I would believe all of them get it on their flagship models, including LG W series. You dont pay a premium for their flagships for nothing, the processors are the same (or just slightly better) and speakers and aesthetics dont add that much cost to it. A major part of that premium is the higher graded panel (for which the OEM's would be paying higher costs to LGD for procuring them). And yes , i said 'i believe', because official evidence is not out there, nobody has it.
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And what exactly does that prove??? Should we believe Rysa_105, or the guy who works for LG
Binning as an internal company policy would be done by LG display at their 8.5 G manufacturing facility in Seoul. This guy is a PR rep of LG electronics, US division, so yeah he doesn't work for LGD.
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^guy, I've owned every gen oled since 2015, one of those years I owned an E6. What your doing right now is justifying your purchase, and this is getting redundant. You are fishing now to make a point, that obviously you cant do. We get it...you like your Sony. You dont even own a current LG, what do you know of them besides what you see at the store?

You also insinuate that you know what goes on behind the scenes at LGD...sorry but you dont. You've provided nothing but speculation and that's it. Now your saying binning is done as a company policy in Seoul...provide a reference, something...

If you want to continue to poke holes in that interview...by all means, however you have yet to establish anything, and most importantly you have not supplied any credible evidence to debunk what was said in that video.

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Huh im not justifying my current purchase, im saying i believe flagship oled models of "all" brands get a higher graded panel. I started by saying that i actually first heard of binning on LG's W series, but you conveniently left that out so you could spin a 'Sony fan' post upon me
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^actually if you read your responses, they look like statements of facts...you never start off with the "I believe" If you would have stated "imo" binning happens, then that's a different argument. I provided a video for you to look at, and you've been trying to poke holes in it to support your view, so that's not a belief type of act. Lastly I dont have to spin any "fanboy" posts...you've done that yourself.
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