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There is no confirmation that this tv supports 75% BFI @ 120hz, how are you assuming that it does? The high setting gets you 75% BFI @ 60hz and the downside to that would be noticeable 60hz flicker. This is what I read around CES, the medium setting works for 120hz BFI ( 50% BFI @ 120hz) when feeding the tv a 120hz input. This is why we need a CX owner to test and give confirmation , there is an owner here who has his pc hooked to the tv outputting 4k 120hz 4:2:0 8 bit from his gfx card, but thus far he hasn't commented about how the BFI/oled motion pro medium and high settings look.
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Right but how much motion blur are you going to have on a 120hz source though?? I don't even notice any motion blur while gaming on my 65E7?? And it's only 60hz??
Movies 💯 I do notice it though as well as significant judder. But not once have I had a gaming session and noticed anything in the way of significant motion blur and I have all the trumotion options turned off.
Professional counterstrike players are climbing over each other trying to get 360hz monitors so they can game at 1024x768 with black bars. Mouse flicks in FPS games demand terrific motion clarity, since OLED doesn't have 240hz the best alternative is 120hz + BFI. I can easily discern the difference between 240hz and 144hz.

This is what you can expect to see in terms of brightness reduction on the high setting. The highlighted model is the new 1080P IPS panel with Freesync, BFI and 280hz simultaneously. I just ordered one because I'm bored out of my mind.
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Isn’t the BFI going to kill the ABL enough to not be worth it?
You meant APL, as in average picture level, not ABL I guess (ABL is auto brightness limiter and exists on all oleds, BFI or not). Yeah BFI will have an impact on average picture level, the high setting will have more of an impact than low or medium. When watching HDR content, this poses a problem but BFI should be fine to use with SDR content.
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I doubt PS5 or Xbox games will output at 120hz.
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If it doesn't do 120 fps theres no point to it.
[assuming you mean "it"="PS5 or Xbox outputting at 120Hz"]
If that's true, I'm sure that both Sony and Microsoft will read your comments and then quake in their boots and abandon their plans for launching non-120fps consoles.

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If it doesn't do 120 fps theres no point to it.
[assuming you mean "it"="PS5 or Xbox outputting at 120Hz"]
[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG] If that's true, I'm sure that both Sony and Microsoft will read your comments and then quake in their boots and abandon their plans for launching non-120fps consoles.
I really don't care what Microsoft or Sony think.
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Agreed, again I honestly believe the BFI high setting is just for PC gamers at this time.

The CX48 is really a special product, I think it's the first display that should be reviewed as both a Monitor and a Television because it just may be the best at both. Tftcentral just reviewed a 49 inch desktop ultra wide monitor... at this point, what's the difference?
The CX48 would have about twice the screen area of the wide monitor (given those tend to be 32:9 not 16:9). The pixel density would be a bit higher on the monitor though given they tend to be 5K rather than 4K horizontal resolution, but 1440 rather than 2160 vertical.

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Are the 77" GX still on target for end of April?

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I'll buy a monster HDMI 2.1 video card this summer, then run 4k 120hz RGB in windows.
I highly doubt new graphics cards will be coming out this summer.
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Are the 77" GX still on target for end of April?
Sure, but nothing confirms the statement like stock in hand. Best Buy usually gets stock first.
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Consoles are 60hz I think (I don't have one so I'm not certain, TV, movies are 24hz.
I use a couple of Intel NUCs (with Kodi) and they output the source native frame rate via HDMI. My two Sony’s sync nicely with whatever comes in, no pull-down judder. (I’m here because I’m buying a 77CX ASAP to replace my 75” 900F).

The latest NUC gets HDMI 2.1 so it’s possible they’ll support 120Hz output at some stage (I guess/hope).
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Did someone test how TruMotion on the CX now handles flickering fire or flashlight scenes? I'm coming from a Sony X900F and noticed this immediately on my C9.
TruMotion struggles hard with handling these scenes, but it's pretty rare so no big deal. Camera-Flashlight can even look like screentearing in some scenes. The faster the light source the harder it is for TruMotion.
It still struggles. Leave it in the Off position.
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WOW, thanks for the clarification - so BFI flickering is due to lower content frame rate (like movies, streaming). So would console gaming on the new PS5 also benefit since I assume FPS should be at least [email protected]?
Here's a diagram from Google vision researchers showing the tradeoffs between motion blur, flicker, and brightness. It would be interesting to see the effect of BFI duty (aka percentage of frame that is black in a rolling shutter BFI scheme).

As is clear, there's not a huge design space for solutions. This was for a 60hz display.The design space for 120hz would be a bit larger.

Paper here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/msid.1018
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Here's a diagram from Google vision researchers showing the tradeoffs between motion blur, flicker, and brightness. It would be interesting to see the effect of BFI duty (aka percentage of frame that is black in a rolling shutter BFI scheme).

As is clear, there's not a huge design space for solutions. This was for a 60hz display.The design space for 120hz would be a bit larger.

Paper here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/msid.1018
It would be nice to know what settings would best match up with this.

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I‘m thinking about buying the CX later this Year but i‘m not sure which size to get. Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the Stand from the 55 inch and 65 inch Version?

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I‘m thinking about buying the CX later this Year but i‘m not sure which size to get. Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the Stand from the 55 inch and 65 inch Version?

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I can tell you that if you are considering at 65" then get a 65". I went with a 65" and wish I would have went 77". Now it's 4 years later and I'm upgrading (mostly because of size). I would have been able to wait a few years longer if I just would have gotten the size I wanted.

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I‘m thinking about buying the CX later this Year but i‘m not sure which size to get. Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the Stand from the 55 inch and 65 inch Version?

Thx.
I can tell you that if you are considering at 65" then get a 65". I went with a 65" and wish I would have went 77". Now it's 4 years later and I'm upgrading (mostly because of size). I would have been able to wait a few years longer if I just would have gotten the size I wanted.
I‘m leaning more towards the 65 inch too, but i need to know the dimensions of the Stand first. Because the space on my TV Rack is a little limited. My 55 inch Samsung MU8000 ist barely fitting on it. But the Feet on that TV are really far on the outside of the TV.
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I‘m leaning more towards the 65 inch too, but i need to know the dimensions of the Stand first. Because the space on my TV Rack is a little limited. My 55 inch Samsung MU8000 ist barely fitting on it. But the Feet on that TV are really far on the outside of the TV.
stand width is the same for each one according to the LG site: 39.3"
meaning it's the same stand either way.

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I‘m leaning more towards the 65 inch too, but i need to know the dimensions of the Stand first. Because the space on my TV Rack is a little limited. My 55 inch Samsung MU8000 ist barely fitting on it. But the Feet on that TV are really far on the outside of the TV.
stand width is the same for each one according to the LG site: 39.3"
meaning it's the same stand either way.
That’s nice. Then I‘ll get the 65 inch. 😁
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Did someone test how TruMotion on the CX now handles flickering fire or flashlight scenes? I'm coming from a Sony X900F and noticed this immediately on my C9.
TruMotion struggles hard with handling these scenes, but it's pretty rare so no big deal. Camera-Flashlight can even look like screentearing in some scenes. The faster the light source the harder it is for TruMotion.
I only starting noticing this on my B7 a month ago. I initially thought there was something wrong with my panel, but then this weekend I started turning off various settings and once I turned off TruMotion all the related anomalies went away.

I was hoping this had been remedied in subsequent models so hearing the C9's still suffer from this issue is unfortunate. Hopefully, this is one of those items they've fixed in the C10 that isn't advertised.

If someone wants to test this issue their panel, check out "The Outsider - Episode 2" around the 17:20 mark when the detective is in the room playing with the fireplace. I noticed serious issues on the User setting with Dejudder set to 1.

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Right but how much motion blur are you going to have on a 120hz source though?? I don't even notice any motion blur while gaming on my 65E7?? And it's only 60hz??
Movies I do notice it though as well as significant judder. But not once have I had a gaming session and noticed anything in the way of significant motion blur and I have all the trumotion options turned off.
I know this is kinda off-topic but then again these new OLEDs are introducing many to the realm of motion clarity so what the hell.

I think this issue is one of those "you should see the difference yourself" and what kind of image persistence your brain/eyes consider acceptable.

When you really start to notice image persistence on sample and hold type of displays you kinda never unsee it. Just playing an adventure game on PC [email protected] and if you look at the still image with character standing on the edge of the cliff looking down at the game world everything is nice and crisp, right? But if you tick your character camera to pan around the character, let's say one full 360 revolution in 5 seconds so fairly slowly, you notice all the fine detail kinda disappear from the scene. All the tiny cracks on the rocks gone along with other fine details you could pinpoint and focus on when image was still.

When you turn on BFI on that same scenario, limitations of sample-and-hold displays become obvious when there is motion on the screen. Suddenly you can resolve fine detail closer to the still image and depending of the duty cycle you might even get really close to still image clarity. It feels like you get a resolution bump just by enabling BFI (with some minor downsides like loss of brightness and massive headaches, heheh joke).
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It still struggles. Leave it in the Off position.
So is there even a trumotion improvement? I would never leave it to off. I can't stand the stutter. I use "clear" on my C9. I can live with rarely artefacts with ease.
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So is there even a trumotion improvement? I would never leave it to off. I can't stand the stutter. I use "clear" on my C9. I can live with rarely artefacts with ease.
Enthusiasts that we are, why is your left speaker not toed-in like your right speaker?
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So is there even a trumotion improvement? I would never leave it to off. I can't stand the stutter. I use "clear" on my C9. I can live with rarely artefacts with ease.
Compared to my C9 and A9G last night watching content, I did not see any improvement over the C9. I personally recommend TruMotion stay in the Off position..... unless you want to venture in the BFI world.
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[assuming you mean "it"="PS5 or Xbox outputting at 120Hz"]
If that's true, I'm sure that both Sony and Microsoft will read your comments and then quake in their boots and abandon their plans for launching non-120fps consoles.

I would be happy if the consoles can run a stable 4k/60fps, but I think that may even be in doubt, based on previous history.
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I would be happy if the consoles can run a stable 4k/60fps, but I think that may even be in doubt, based on previous history.
Hopefully consoles use some sort of DLSS like Nvidia GPUs. DLSS 2.0 is a new performance milestone nearly without sacrifcing image-quality or even as good as native 4K.
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Amazon has the 55" in stock now, but why are Amazon and Best Buy charging $200 more than LG's msrp? Is this normal?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...DKIKX0DER&th=1
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...DKIKX0DER&th=1
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Compared to my C9 and A9G last night watching content, I did not see any improvement over the C9. I personally recommend TruMotion stay in the Off position..... unless you want to venture in the BFI world.
Hey D-Nice, hope your well and staying healthy. I'm curious if the improvements in general on the CX are worth the extra cost over the C9? I just got the 77 inch C9 and am wondering if the CX is all that much better.

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Hey D-Nice, hope your well and staying healthy. I'm curious if the improvements in general on the CX are worth the extra cost over the C9? I just got the 77 inch C9 and am wondering if the CX is all that much better.
If you are a gamer, want better motion, slightly better upscaling, a bigger screen then you may want to upgrade but the CX is an incremental upgrade depending on what's important to you. For me, the improvement in motion was the critical point for me since i'm very sensitive to motion. I use Cinema Clear and like it a lot but everyone has their own opinion. There is no right or wrong. I feel when all is said and done, like previous years there are incremental improvements in some areas.
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