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Yah when I lived in SoCal. It got dark, but it was never pitch black.
The Dolby Cinema I was in was pitch black during the movie presentation.ridiculous what 100nits on those large screens can do to your eyes.
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I have another question about Instant Game Response I'm hoping someone can answer. I know you can have Instant Game Response enabled on TV and ALLM enabled on Xbox, and if you launch a game it instantly puts TV in Game Mode. Well, let's say I don't want to use Game Mode, and instead I want to use Standard or Vivid for games (and still get that low input lag). Will I have to change the picture mode from Game Mode to Standard or Vivid EVERY time I launch a game? Really curious about this, and I feel like I gotta know since I still don't have the TV yet lol.
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The Dolby Cinema I was in was pitch black during the movie presentation.ridiculous what 100nits on those large screens can do to your eyes.
Dolby Cinema is 1,000,000:1 ratio. Very good, but still not pitch black. Maybe my eyes are really sensitive.
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Yah when I lived in SoCal. It got dark, but it was never pitch black. They also do not come close to 10,000nits. Some scenes I had to shield my eyes.
Yeah. Those Saw and Wrong Turn movies must be very high in nits.
I find myself shielding my eyes quite often with these.
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Dolby Cinema is 1,000,000:1 ratio. Very good, but still not pitch black. Maybe my eyes are really sensitive.
From looking at your Manson Avatar, I highly doubt that.
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Dolby Cinema is 1,000,000:1 ratio. Very good, but still not pitch black. Maybe my eyes are really sensitive.
If you have blue eyes that is indeed possible.

Also my hand grenade (aka throwing and walking away); these folks looking at a supposed 10k nits screen didn't suffer any ill effects. https://www.cnet.com/news/tvs-are-on...ght-is-enough/

I have blue eyes and find bright light uncomfortable - for example the new bluer LED headlights literally blind me. But i don't see how 10k nits is going to actually damage anyone eyes and can find no evidence of any such thing occurring, plus can you imagine the law suits - lol.

And yes I agree i have never been in a pitch black cinema of any kind, for example you get bias lighting from the emergency exit signs (and i bloody hate those light strips some cinemas have along the stairs).

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If you have blue eyes that is indeed possible.

Also my hand grenade (aka throwing and walking away); these folks looking at a supposed 10k nits screen didn't suffer any ill effects. https://www.cnet.com/news/tvs-are-on...ght-is-enough/

I have blue eyes and find bright light uncomfortable - for example the new bluer LED headlights literally blind me. But i don't see how 10k nits is going to actually damage anyone eyes and can find no evidence of any such thing occurring, plus can you imagine the law suits - lol.

And yes I agree i have never been in a pitch black cinema of any kind, for example you get bias lighting from the emergency exit signs (and i bloody hate those light strips some cinemas have along the stairs).
Actually you are ALL missing the most obvious thing.

All those DA** SMART PHONES lit up everywhere so people can "browse" their phone, check their messages, see what time it is, etc., etc., etc. It's especially FUN when it is someone next to me or right below me on a stadium cinema.

It's a FREAKIN X-MAS light show in there! Sometimes I feel like I'm at a "concert" with the "anthem song lighter wave".

I'm SOOOOO glad that these "concerned" eye fatigue care specialists are there to safely see me through this.

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@Sargon 1 lol yup sometimes it is like a freaking xmas light show, i am that ******* that actually asks the phone using *******s to stop using them. Amazing how often they think what they were doing was ok.
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If you have blue eyes that is indeed possible.



Also my hand grenade (aka throwing and walking away); these folks looking at a supposed 10k nits screen didn't suffer any ill effects. https://www.cnet.com/news/tvs-are-on...ght-is-enough/



I have blue eyes and find bright light uncomfortable - for example the new bluer LED headlights literally blind me. But i don't see how 10k nits is going to actually damage anyone eyes and can find no evidence of any such thing occurring, plus can you imagine the law suits - lol.



And yes I agree i have never been in a pitch black cinema of any kind, for example you get bias lighting from the emergency exit signs (and i bloody hate those light strips some cinemas have along the stairs).
Yah I have light green eyes. The link you posted also states this.

"Of course there are potential issues. The first, as you can probably guess, is no one wants to have to wear Ray-Bans to watch TV. 10,000 nits is in the range of staring at the sky during midday, staring at a florescent office bulb, and other squint-worthy events not usually considered overly pleasant for long-term viewing."

The main thing is if the content creates enough ambient light to keep the pupil in a position that can accept some small bursts of specular highlights, then I'm ok with that. If there is any content that has a long dark scene followed by a very large bright flash can cause stress. Especially if this happens multiple times over an extended period. It can and does cause fatigue on a lot of viewers.

Our eyes are not designed to work this hard.

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Yah I have light green eyes. The link you posted also states this.

"Of course there are potential issues. The first, as you can probably guess, is no one wants to have to wear Ray-Bans to watch TV. 10,000 nits is in the range of staring at the sky during midday, staring at a florescent office bulb, and other squint-worthy events not usually considered overly pleasant for long-term viewing."

The main thing is if the content creates enough ambient light to keep the pupil in a position that can accept some small bursts of specular highlights, then I'm ok with that. If there is any content that has a long dark scene followed by a very large bright flash can cause stress. Especially if this happens multiple times over an extended period. It can and does cause fatigue on a lot of viewers.
I know it states that, looking at the sky never damaged anyone's eyes. Looking at the sun yes.
10k NITS might be uncomfortable for some (as he states in the article) it isn't going to do 'serious damage' as was asserted earlier.

Light green eyes - yeah you have it worse than i do in that case!

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I know it states that, looking at the sky never damaged anyone's eyes. Looking at the sun yes.

10k NITS might be uncomfortable for some (as he states in the article) it isn't going to do 'serious damage' as was asserted earlier.



Light green eyes - yeah you have it worse than i do in that case!
Yah that's the thing. People are saying I looked at the sun and my vision is ok. They forget the ambient light by the sun is so bright the pupil is still heavily constricted to reduce the amount of light it lets in. In a pitch black room when the pupil is wide open a 10,000nit bright light turning on in your face will let in a vastly larger amount of light than the ambient sun light. It can cause serious damage. Bright lights come with warning labels for a reason.
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If you have blue eyes that is indeed possible.



Also my hand grenade (aka throwing and walking away); these folks looking at a supposed 10k nits screen didn't suffer any ill effects. https://www.cnet.com/news/tvs-are-on...ght-is-enough/



I have blue eyes and find bright light uncomfortable - for example the new bluer LED headlights literally blind me. But i don't see how 10k nits is going to actually damage anyone eyes and can find no evidence of any such thing occurring, plus can you imagine the law suits - lol.



And yes I agree i have never been in a pitch black cinema of any kind, for example you get bias lighting from the emergency exit signs (and i bloody hate those light strips some cinemas have along the stairs).
Yah I have light green eyes. The link you posted also states this.

"Of course there are potential issues. The first, as you can probably guess, is no one wants to have to wear Ray-Bans to watch TV. 10,000 nits is in the range of staring at the sky during midday, staring at a florescent office bulb, and other squint-worthy events not usually considered overly pleasant for long-term viewing."

The main thing is if the content creates enough ambient light to keep the pupil in a position that can accept some small bursts of specular highlights, then I'm ok with that. If there is any content that has a long dark scene followed by a very large bright flash can cause stress. Especially if this happens multiple times over an extended period. It can and does cause fatigue on a lot of viewers.
100 nits is 50% the brightness of 10,000 nits.

10,000 nits is not 100 times brighter, it's double.

Go outside. Reflection of sunlight off a car window or chrome can be 300,000 nits.

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Yah that's the thing. People are saying I looked at the sun and my vision is ok. They forget the ambient light by the sun is so bright the pupil is still heavily constricted to reduce the amount of light it lets in. In a pitch black room when the pupil is wide open a 10,000nit bright light turning on in your face will let in a vastly larger amount of light than the ambient sun light. It can cause serious damage. Bright lights come with warning labels for a reason.
What are you talking about, i never said that people look at sun and say they are ok.

Most eye damage occurs because of UV light not general brightness, aka wavelengths out of the visible spectrum.
And it is also time based, that's why a brief glance towards the sun doesn't damage eyes (so the important part to your comment is what does look 'mean'.

Your logic may seem sound to you on wider pupil but it isn't.
For example when folks look at bright lights the pupil will contract and you can still get damage from prolonged looing at sun via narrow pupil.

Bottom line unless you can start showing studies about damage from 10k nits of visible light spectrum you are just opining.
As the dude says "it's just like your opinion, man".

As is my reply is mine, the difference, I at least attempted to find studies to support your position - there are zero.
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100 nits is 50% the brightness of 10,000 nits.

10,000 nits is not 100 times brighter, it's double.

Go outside. Reflection of sunlight off a car window or chrome can be 300,000 nits.
I literally just explained why this is flawed in the post just before yours.
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100 nits is 50% the brightness of 10,000 nits.

10,000 nits is not 100 times brighter, it's double.

Go outside. Reflection of sunlight off a car window or chrome can be 300,000 nits.
Thanks for the meaningful data, i appreciate it.

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What are you talking about, i never said that people look at sun and say they are ok.



Most eye damage occurs because of UV light not general brightness, aka wavelengths out of the visible spectrum.

And it is also time based, that's why a brief glance towards the sun doesn't damage eyes (so the important part to your comment is what does look 'mean'.



Your logic may seem sound to you on wider pupil but it isn't.

For example when folks look at bright lights the pupil will contract and you can still get damage from prolonged looing at sun via narrow pupil.



Bottom line unless you can start showing studies about damage from 10k nits of visible light spectrum you are just opining.

As the dude says "it's just like your opinion, man".



As is my reply is mine, the difference, I at least attempted to find studies to support your position - there are zero.
I never said you did say anything about the Sun either...

Look up Flash Blindness. It is very real.

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The current public firmware I noticed stutters on my unit. I am currently on the beta test firmware. Motion handling is much smoother. It is an OLED so 24p stutter is pretty obvious due to the near instant pixel response time.
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Can we get an ophthalmologist to weigh in here - STAT!

We know you are here. Come out from the shadows now and do your part!

If not. . . I suppose an astronomer would do - in a pinch.

One thing for sure, I'm gonna quit staring at the sun.

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Well I can't really speak for the raised black issues some have posted about here. My issues are directly related to using Calman AutoCal with this TV. Still not sure what the issue is yet. Other than that the beta makes the UI a bit snappier. Motion handling improvements. That is all I have noticed so far.
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Seems like a good time: anyone have the Best Buy SKU for the 48 inch yet?
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100 nits is 50% the brightness of 10,000 nits.

10,000 nits is not 100 times brighter, it's double.

Go outside. Reflection of sunlight off a car window or chrome can be 300,000 nits.
I literally just explained why this is flawed in the post just before yours.
Reading material about why 10,000 nits was chosen.

https://www.lightspace.lightillusion.com/uhdtv.html

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Seems like a good time: anyone have the Best Buy SKU for the 48 inch yet?
Um... Wait your turn about your tv question.

We are still resolving issues about pupils and the mighty sun in the sky.
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Reading material about why 10,000 nits was chosen.

https://www.lightspace.lightillusion.com/uhdtv.html
I'm well aware of this. This has nothing to do with what I just explained. Long durations in a pitch black room and then introducing a bright light is not the same as watching content with ambient light. The pupil becomes adapted to it's environment. Long durations in a bright environment will allow very bright light to not damage the retina. When the pupil is wide open for long periods of time and is then suddenly exposed to the same amount of light can cause flash Blindness. Most of the time it is temporary, but it can cause irreversible damage.
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I have another question about Instant Game Response I'm hoping someone can answer. I know you can have Instant Game Response enabled on TV and ALLM enabled on Xbox, and if you launch a game it instantly puts TV in Game Mode. Well, let's say I don't want to use Game Mode, and instead I want to use Standard or Vivid for games (and still get that low input lag). Will I have to change the picture mode from Game Mode to Standard or Vivid EVERY time I launch a game? Really curious about this, and I feel like I gotta know since I still don't have the TV yet lol.
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I'm well aware of this. This has nothing to do with what I just explained. Long durations in a pitch black room and then introducing a bright light is not the same as watching content with ambient light. The pupil becomes adapted to it's environment. Long durations in a bright environment will allow very bright light to not damage the retina. When the pupil is wide open for long periods of time and is then suddenly exposed to the same amount of light can cause flash Blindness. Most of the time it is temporary, but it can cause irreversible damage.
I think you're blowing this out of proportion. Plus, this is the CX owner's thread where the TVs aren't surpassing 800 nits. I think we're fine.
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I think you're blowing this out of proportion. Plus, this is the CX owner's thread where the TVs aren't surpassing 800 nits. I think we're fine.
Yah. It got out of hand. I enjoy my vision. I enjoy watching a movie the whole duration without having to stop due to fatigue. Watching content with my calibrated display set to 100nits max in a pitch black room sometimes causes me this fatigue. I can't watch HDR very long without ambient light or I am guaranteed to feel the fatigue. As I said earlier, maybe it's my sensitive light green eyes. I understand how hard it can be to relate if that isn't how you experience it.
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