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Same version of the chipset? There's no need for the source devices to have the same HDMI 2.1 chipset. With the CX having a custom chipset that's not even possible.


The CX has all the HDMI 2.1 features that the next gen gaming consoles and PC (gaming oriented) video cards are going to have. Those being VRR, ALLM and 4K 120Hz 10-bit HDR. So if he gets the CX then he doesn't have to worry about that.

So unless Sony releases a 4K 120Hz 10-bit HDR capable TV in the middle of the year, LG C9/CX and variants are the only game in town (pun intended).
Custom chipsets is the key. Should be ok but there's no guarantee.

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That's good then. Just make sure that the "HDMI 2.1" tv and/or PS5 list which HDMI 2.1 options sets are currently available at time of purchase just to make sure that both devices have the same options. If they follow the HDMI.org requirement for HDMI 2.1 labeling, they should be listed.
? as long as it is HDMI 2.1 there is no extra checking of anything beyond 2.1. This is no different then the previous HDMI versions and we had to wait for devices to release to take advantage of the features.

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So unless Sony releases a 4K 120Hz 10-bit HDR capable TV in the middle of the year, LG C9/CX and variants are the only game in town (pun intended).
apparently 900H is going to have HDMI 2.1 (48 gbps 4K-120) .. so, maybe an alternative
although ..:
(1) its going to need a fw update according to Sony, we all know how those kinds of promises can turn out
(2) HDMI-VRR (the one that LG and RTX GPUs got) is yet unconfirmed and at this point its a must for me .. although i would assume it will be included, because it makes no sense to put HDMI 2.1 but not VRR (especially for a gaming company like Sony)
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? as long as it is HDMI 2.1 there is no extra checking of anything beyond 2.1. This is no different then the previous HDMI versions and we had to wait for devices to release to take advantage of the features.
He’s right that HDMI 2.1 is a grab bag of features. Manufacturers can pick and chose what they want to implement. For example, the Xbox One supports HDMI 2.1 VRR and HDMI 2.1 ALLM. As long as they specify the feature they support they can put HDMI 2.1 next to it that feature in their tech specs and marketing material.
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My biggest issue is these improvements cannot be seen with the naked eye. I remember looking at the c8 and c9 and could not find any difference in picture quality.
Yep, that is a true statement. These display devises that are out today will be hard to top......
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My biggest issue is these improvements cannot be seen with the naked eye. I remember looking at the c8 and c9 and could not find any difference in picture quality.
Sorry to say if you didn't see any difference in PQ between the C8 and C9 then you won't see it with the CX. There definetly was visible improvements in most areas of PQ on the C9 but you are not seeing them so you don't need to worry.
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? as long as it is HDMI 2.1 there is no extra checking of anything beyond 2.1. This is no different then the previous HDMI versions and we had to wait for devices to release to take advantage of the features.
Point being that if a device is marketed as HDMI 2.1, then according to the guidelines set forth by HDMI.org for marketing and labeling, the device mfr must list which option sets of HDMI 2.1 are available. Some mfrs have jumped the gun in the past and claimed HDMI 2.1 compatibility without noting which options sets of HDMI 2.1 it was compatible with. Now that HDMI 2.1 certification is possibly coming this summer, HDMI.org wants to tighten this up better than they did for the previous versions of HDMI. It really isn't that big of a deal to check and could possibly save some headaches once source material and more devices become available.

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same exact time ? no
same year ? yes
(the devices in question being PS5 and GeForce 3080/3080Ti)



and since I plan on keeping the TV for at least 5+ years, maybe more ..
I agree with full HDMI 2.1 support being important.

I am not sure I would plan for one of these to last five years though. With the burn in issues, I wouldn't be surprised to need a panel swap from an extended warranty every year or so. The question is whether Best Buy, since they cover burn in, would authorize the panel to be replaced more than once. If the panel is only going to be replaced once, I would expect the TV to last two or three years.

I really want one as it supports HDMI 2.1 and Dolby Vision. On the LCD side, there are very few similar options.
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FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

Release/Launch/Prices

Q: When we expect to know the prices of 2020 models?
A: The MSRP prices are usually mentioned during the usual April launch event.

Q: When we expect the first reviews?
A: LG usually has an April launch event - units are sent to reviewers at the same time. So the first reviews are expected sometime during April-May.

Q: When we expect the lowest prices for 2020 models?
A: The price evolution is similar each year and you can see the graph in the "TV yearly-price-tv-deals price evolution.png" attachment.

Q: When we expect the first 2020 models to be available?
A: The 2020 models will be on the market earlier than the 2019 models. In the US, the expected launch dates are (for Value Electronics) :
  • 55"/65" CX early March
  • 77" CX mid-April
  • 55"/65" GX end of March
  • 77" GX end of April
  • 88" ZX mid-April
  • 77" ZX early May


Display

Q: What is Dolby Vision IQ?
A: Dolby rolled out a new augmentation to its Dolby Vision HDR format called Dolby Vision IQ, which is designed to fix the problem that in some situations it can look too dark by automatically adjusting the picture in response to room brightness. Dolby Vision IQ isn't a separate picture mode, instead, it will be automatically engaged in the standard Dolby Vision setting (Dolby said if you don't want the image to react to room lighting you can disable the LG's ambient light sensor manually);

Q: What is Filmmaker Mode?
A: UHD Alliance's Filmmaker Mode is a separate mode designed to offer a picture that "maintains the creative intent" by disabling stuff like the soap opera effect. Filmmaker Mode does not exclude Dolby Vision HDR. Filmmaker Mode mode works by "disabling all post-processing (e.g. motion smoothing, etc.) and preserving the correct aspect ratios, colors and frame rates". Filmmaker Mode can be enabled in one of two ways: either automatically or with a dedicated button on the remote. To work automatically, the content itself needs metadata that tells the TV to turn on the mode, and for that to happen service providers like Netflix and Apple iTunes need to be on board.

A couple questions I’m confused on. You say pricing and reviews won’t be announced until April when they have a launch event, but then say they will be available in stores in March. So they will already be in stores to buy before the launch event? How certain are you that these will release earlier than last years 9 model?
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Why is this thread even up, seriously...

There is nothing in here regarding an owner or ownership.

It is exactly the same as the previous thread New LG OLED TVs at CES 2020.
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Q: When we expect the first 2020 models to be available?
A: The 2020 models will be on the market earlier than the 2019 models. In the US, the expected launch dates are (for Value Electronics) :
  • 55"/65" CX early March
  • 77" CX mid-April
  • 55"/65" GX end of March
  • 77" GX end of April
  • 88" ZX mid-April
  • 77" ZX early May
Is there a source for this? I know it says Value Electronics but when did they say this and where??
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Why is this thread even up, seriously...

There is nothing in here regarding an owner or ownership.

It is exactly the same as the previous thread New LG OLED TVs at CES 2020.
It's comprehensive, which is great and can't be said for many owner threads. As a compromise, I say they should lock it until an owner comes along with proof of purchase/possession, which should help to make everyone happy.
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A couple questions I’m confused on. You say pricing and reviews won’t be announced until April when they have a launch event, but then say they will be available in stores in March. So they will already be in stores to buy before the launch event? How certain are you that these will release earlier than last years 9 model?
For the 2020 models, we have two launch calendars, the usual one, with the April launch and the second one, with an earlier launch (March).

If the stars align, we'll have an earlier launch. The source is here.
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A couple questions I’m confused on. You say pricing and reviews won’t be announced until April when they have a launch event, but then say they will be available in stores in March.
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The source is . . .

Their public website, since at least February 3rd.
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Their public website, since at least February 3rd.
I believe some retailers will be taking pre-orders sometime next week.

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I’m hoping they release the 65” at $3000 this year and not $3500. Last year it was $3500 and by June they were already selling at $2500. $1000 off in 2 months is just to great a risk to adopt out the gate. I’m hoping similarly it happens again and by summer it’s already down $1000 unless they launch at $3000 from the get go. I have 90 days to use my Best Buy warranty exchange.
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Sorry to say if you didn't see any difference in PQ between the C8 and C9 then you won't see it with the CX. There definetly was visible improvements in most areas of PQ on the C9 but you are not seeing them so you don't need to worry.
I have a very good eye for tvs so I am not wrong I decided to see what the experts have to say I went to rtings and did a comparison. The c8 got a 9.4 for normal movies vs 9.3 for the c9 and hdr movies was the same score, the only part where the c9 got a higher score was on gaming because of the extra feature so since the experts agree with me I rest my case. The only reason I see to upgrade is if you are a gamer and you want the extra gaming features.
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Just realized the 48" is not due until late May? Oof. Thats a giant bummer. Thought id be able to get it in April
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Hi, I write from Italy. I have been reading this forum for a long time, looking for news on OLED TVs, in preview compared to Italy. Today instead, hoping it will be useful and further stimulate the discussion, I forward you a link found in an Italian forum that I haven't found here on Avs
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So what's the consensus so far? Get a C9? Wait for the CX?

I already have a C7, so I'm fine with whatever. Just don't wanna buy a C9 and end up missing on some great features, but I'm struggling to see much of a difference between the 9 and X.
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So what's the consensus so far? Get a C9? Wait for the CX?

I already have a C7, so I'm fine with whatever. Just don't wanna buy a C9 and end up missing on some great features, but I'm struggling to see much of a difference between the 9 and X.
We won't know what the actual PQ differences will be until we get a CX next month to test.
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We won't know what the actual PQ differences will be until we get a CX next month to test.
I think we can agree that PQ differences between the C7 vs C8 and C8 vs C9 was incremental... Given what we know so far in terms of technical advances (or lack of), it appears reasonable to assume that the trend will continue this year. Of course, we will know for sure in a few weeks.

The biggest novelty this year is arguably the introduction of a 48" model, which is a "game" changer for the PC crowd.
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I think we can agree that PQ differences between the C7 vs C8 and C8 vs C9 was incremental... Given what we know so far in terms of technical advances (or lack of), it appears reasonable to assume that the trend will continue this year. Of course, we will know for sure in a few weeks.

The biggest novelty this year is arguably the introduction of a 48" model, which is a "game" changer for the PC crowd.
Many of us are looking to see if the LG motion and upscaling now reaches the level of the Sony with the CX. If so, it will be a significant plus for the LG given all of the features it has.
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Many of us are looking to see if the LG motion and upscaling now reaches the level of the Sony with the CX. If so, it will be a significant plus for the LG given all of the features it has.
Hoping that price starts lower than last year (for the 77")

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Let's hope CX catches up on motion and upscaling to the sony

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Hoping that price starts lower than last year (for the 77")
Doesn't look like it. The China factory that's supposed to increase volume production of the 77" size just got delayed again, this time due to the Wuhan pandemic. Looks like 2021 before we see real price reductions for the 77" size OLED TVs.
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We won't know what the actual PQ differences will be until we get a CX next month to test.
Additionally, I think the only real complaint of OLEDs are generally all the same: not bright enough. If LG does nothing else but improving brightness, that alone will raise its Rec.2020 color volume, right? My understanding is that much of the increased Rec.2020 color space comes from the increased luminance available in HDR.
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