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Anyone ever regret going from an 85” LED to a 77” OLED?

Got a new 85” Sony X900F a couple weeks ago.

I do not like the white haze all over the blacks. The set has already been swapped out and it’s the same story.

I’m also not that impressed with the picture.

Salesperson recommended moving to a 77” LG OLED.

This was my first 85” and first 4K set.

Anyone miss those extra 7” of screen ...???
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Got a new 85” Sony X900F a couple weeks ago.

I do not like the white haze all over the blacks. The set has already been swapped out and it’s the same story.

I’m also not that impressed with the picture.

Salesperson recommended moving to a 77” LG OLED.

This was my first 85” and first 4K set.

Anyone miss those extra 7” of screen ...???
The OLED is definitely a step up...picture quality and price-wise. I'd just move my seating closer and get the 77"...or for the sake of a few more inches, the 82" Sammy Q90.

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Got a new 85” Sony X900F a couple weeks ago.

I do not like the white haze all over the blacks. The set has already been swapped out and it’s the same story.

I’m also not that impressed with the picture.

Salesperson recommended moving to a 77” LG OLED.

This was my first 85” and first 4K set.

Anyone miss those extra 7” of screen ...???
Losing 8” of screen is a big deal without a doubt. For movies and good 4K content the OLED will have significantly better picture. For cable tv and sports the difference is much much closer. Perhaps the 82” Q90 would be a solid happy medium in your case.
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if you have money buy the next oled Sony A8 from 77"

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if you have money buy the next oled Sony A8 from 77"

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Perdon Ag9 77" if not a LG c9 77 "but with insurance extension of 5 years

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The # 1 reason for buyers remorse is not picture quality, it is size, HOWEVER everyone is different. We all know the answer to this most
important question if you soul search, "Am I a quantity kind of guy or a quality kinda guy?" This is the only condition that overrides the size. From your past
buying experiences throughout life you have chosen one way or the other, do not stop now...lol. If you are a quality kinda guy buy the better set,
if you are a quantity kinda guy buy the bigger set.

Sure you will miss the size, but can you live with the set?
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77 c9 would be a big upgrade in image to the 85 900f. 900f has sub par contrast performance and with hdr significant blooming. you'll appreciate the absolute black you get with a 77 c9. dont worry about the small drop in size.
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I would rather have a slightly smaller tv with better picture quality because on a 85 inch lcd tv the blooming is very obvious and distracting. I say go with the 77 oled those inky blacks will make you glad you did.
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Being offered an open box 77” C9 for a total price of $3800+tax if I returned my X900f.


Good or bad deal ?

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wait 1 year or 2, now LG c7 have the phantom square, c8 maxroblocks and flashes, c9? Time will tell

Buy a 5 year warranty

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Being offered an open box 77” C9 for a total price of $3800+tax if I returned my X900f.


Good or bad deal ?
Try offering $4400 with their 5 year warranty?

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Being offered an open box 77” C9 for a total price of $3800+tax if I returned my X900f.


Good or bad deal ?
Try offering $4400 with their 5 year warranty?

My Citibank Prestige MasterCard provides 2yrs extended warranty on any purchase.

So I will have 3 years of warranty coverage on any TV.
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Being offered an open box 77” C9 for a total price of $3800+tax if I returned my X900f.


Good or bad deal ?
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Being offered an open box 77” C9 for a total price of $3800+tax if I returned my X900f.


Good or bad deal ?
holy cats! yes, get that
They don’t have any more NIB C9’s.

Can’t I get a NIB C9 for less than this from the Greentoe site? I thought I saw that on this forum somewhere.

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I have both an OLED and LCDs and I definitely wouldn't trade my 65" OLED for a 75" LCD.
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My Citibank Prestige MasterCard provides 2yrs extended warranty on any purchase.

So I will have 3 years of warranty coverage on any TV.
Your Citibank coverage, if I'm not mistaken, is an extension of the terms of the manufacturer's warranty. LG doesn't cover Burn-In in their terms, therefore, neither would Citibank. That would be the reason to get Best Buy's warranty, if that's the retailer in question.

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Your Citibank coverage, if I'm not mistaken, is an extension of the terms of the manufacturer's warranty. LG doesn't cover Burn-In in their terms, therefore, neither would Citibank. That would be the reason to get Best Buy's warranty, if that's the retailer in question.

I am not concerned about burn-in. None of my limited viewing would make that an issue.

Not BB, but locally purchased at Walt's TV.

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I would stay away from an open box oled, what if the open box was returned to the store because the customer saw excessive banding or tinting, or there's some kind of permanent IR? Such things cannot be fully tested until you have it at home and run slides under dim conditions. In short, open box or used is risky with oled, with led lcd it maybe fine but you should buy oled NIB.
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The # 1 reason for buyers remorse is not picture quality, it is size, HOWEVER everyone is different. We all know the answer to this most
important question if you soul search, "Am I a quantity kind of guy or a quality kinda guy?" This is the only condition that overrides the size. From your past
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if you are a quantity kinda guy buy the bigger set.

Sure you will miss the size, but can you live with the set?
Most of my life decisions have always taken the quality route. Thank you for the simple advice!!!!

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I would stay away from an open box oled, what if the open box was returned to the store because the customer saw excessive banding or tinting, or there's some kind of permanent IR? Such things cannot be fully tested until you have it at home and run slides under dim conditions. In short, open box or used is risky with oled, with led lcd it maybe fine but you should buy oled NIB.

Well It comes down to this.

I have some sunk costs with having paid for installation, etc. I am also outside of my return window by a week.

Miles @ Walt's TV says that clouding is fairly normal on those Sony x900f's if watching in pitch black. So I am done with that TV.

He has 1 open box LG C9 77" that a customer returned. It is in new-like condition with no known defects. If the TV was defective, they would have sent it back to LG. If the TV was physically damaged they would have sent it to their scratch-and-dent store and listed it as C-Stock

He offered it for $3,500 (+tax as they are local).

It will be sold to me as A-stock with the full LG Warranty, and I have a Citi Prestige MC which extends that warranty to a total of 3 years.

I will be able to go over the entire set after it's plugged in to check for any defects before I sign off on the delivery. If there are defects I do can send it back with the truck.

If I have the full warranty I'm not sure how any of this could be bad.....

Being new to these TVs is there anything I should test immediately besides looking how many hours are on the set?

$3,500 for a 77" OLED is just amazing, IMO.....

They are coming Friday to swap it.

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Most of my life decisions have always taken the quality route. Thank you for the simple advice!!!!






Well It comes down to this.

I have some sunk costs with having paid for installation, etc. I am also outside of my return window by a week.

Miles @ Walt's TV says that clouding is fairly normal on those Sony x900f's if watching in pitch black. So I am done with that TV.

He has 1 open box LG C9 77" that a customer returned. It is in new-like condition with no known defects. If the TV was defective, they would have sent it back to LG. If the TV was physically damaged they would have sent it to their scratch-and-dent store and listed it as C-Stock

He offered it for $3,500 (+tax as they are local).

It will be sold to me as A-stock with the full LG Warranty, and I have a Citi Prestige MC which extends that warranty to a total of 3 years.

I will be able to go over the entire set after it's plugged in to check for any defects before I sign off on the delivery. If there are defects I do can send it back with the truck.

If I have the full warranty I'm not sure how any of this could be bad.....

Being new to these TVs is there anything I should test immediately besides looking how many hours are on the set?

$3,500 for a 77" OLED is just amazing, IMO.....

They are coming Friday to swap it.
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Full field white to check for Yellow/Pink stains.
several full field gray patterns to look for bands/jail bars and vignetting or other DSE
Full field Red, Yellow, and Green, to check for BI.
Also, check for dead and stuck pixels.

The banding tests will be a little more difficult, as I'm assuming that this will be done during the day, with lots of light so that the delivery guy can actually see, but you should be able to get the gist of any issues.

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Have you checked the 77" deals thread? You can get new for a little more. That's what I'd do.

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Put up test patterns to check for uniformity issues and BI.

Full field white to check for Yellow/Pink stains.
several full field gray patterns to look for bands/jail bars and vignetting or other DSE
Full field Red, Yellow, and Green, to check for BI.
Also, check for dead and stuck pixels.

The banding tests will be a little more difficult, as I'm assuming that this will be done during the day, with lots of light so that the delivery guy can actually see, but you should be able to get the gist of any issues.
Does this matter is the set happens to have 0 hours on it? In all of the quick reading I have done in the last 2 days it seems that these tests aren't typically accurate of the set's defects until its been used for a few hours and compensation(?) cycles?

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Have you checked the 77" deals thread? You can get new for a little more. That's what I'd do.
Like I said....I have sunk costs already with installation. I'd be out more cash to have a new tv mounted, etc.

This is from an authorized dealer with full warranty, too.

So a new set isn't just a little bit more.

They have to remount the tv bracket so the invoice I just received is charging me $3,400 for the tv and $100 for the labor.

taking into account all that has happened with this transaction and hating the Sony I feel like this is a great deal.

If the TV is defective I will not accept it.

If the TV is fine, I have a 3-year warranty so I have no concerns.

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Does this matter is the set happens to have 0 hours on it? In all of the quick reading I have done in the last 2 days it seems that these tests aren't typically accurate of the set's defects until its been used for a few hours and compensation(?) cycles?



Like I said....I have sunk costs already with installation. I'd be out more cash to have a new tv mounted, etc.

This is from an authorized dealer with full warranty, too.

So a new set isn't just a little bit more.

They have to remount the tv bracket so the invoice I just received is charging me $3,400 for the tv and $100 for the labor.

taking into account all that has happened with this transaction and hating the Sony I feel like this is a great deal.

If the TV is defective I will not accept it.

If the TV is fine, I have a 3-year warranty so I have no concerns.

This doesn't sound like the typical open box - see Best Buy. Reads like a good deal and you've got a good dealer standing behind it. Enjoy!
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You're going to love the OLED! Let us know what you think once you'd have some viewing time with it. I had an X900E (previous year model to your X900F) in my game room due to fear of burn-in while gaming on OLED displays. After about a year with it and having an OLED in our living room for our main viewing I decided I needed to get another OLED to replace the Sony LCD in my game room so I could enjoy the best picture of any display tech out there for my games. Even if I do start to get burn-in within a couple of years, I know that LG is offering one-time panel replacements for those who do experience permanent burn-in.
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I have both an OLED and LCDs and I definitely wouldn't trade my 65" OLED for a 75" LCD.
I hear you on that. I've got an OLED theater with an LCD in the bedroom and that's all LCDs will ever be for me... a bedroom set.

My 65" OLED B7 has 4500 hours on it and hasn't given me any trouble and I have no *cough* burn in *cough* issues to report. It's just been an amazing experience. When I go to upgrade to either a newer 65" or a bigger 77" the current OLED will be going to the bedroom.

Oh, I wouldn't trade my 65" OLED for a 100" LCD.
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Does this matter is the set happens to have 0 hours on it? In all of the quick reading I have done in the last 2 days it seems that these tests aren't typically accurate of the set's defects until its been used for a few hours and compensation(?) cycles?
The uniformity issues, if the TV has them, will be there from the get go. Mild uniformity issues can sometimes improve with compensation cycles, but if a TV has uniformity issues, you can see them on initial boot.

As for BI, I'm not expecting any to be there, unless this open box has thousands of hours on it, or maybe hundreds if it was used as some sort of store display, but it takes a few seconds to switch from the gray patterns to the color ones, so can't hurt in this circumstance to be extremely anal with a $3500 "used" purchase.

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You're going to love the OLED! Let us know what you think once you'd have some viewing time with it. I had an X900E (previous year model to your X900F) in my game room due to fear of burn-in while gaming on OLED displays. After about a year with it and having an OLED in our living room for our main viewing I decided I needed to get another OLED to replace the Sony LCD in my game room so I could enjoy the best picture of any display tech out there for my games. Even if I do start to get burn-in within a couple of years, I know that LG is offering one-time panel replacements for those who do experience permanent burn-in.
I only had the 85" for about 6 days of viewing. So I don't think I will miss the size factor.

I will DEFINITELY be a part of the OLED forum now that I am an owner.

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The uniformity issues, if the TV has them, will be there from the get go. Mild uniformity issues can sometimes improve with compensation cycles, but if a TV has uniformity issues, you can see them on initial boot.

As for BI, I'm not expecting any to be there, unless this open box has thousands of hours on it, or maybe hundreds if it was used as some sort of store display, but it takes a few seconds to switch from the gray patterns to the color ones, so can't hurt in this circumstance to be extremely anal with a $3500 "used" purchase.
When you say from the INITIAL BOOT.....do you mean withOUT running any grey screens? Just from seeing the initial startup screen? Because that white clouding line on the Sony 85" was there on the initial boot-up screen on both sets and I hated it.

They are coming tomorrow and I know almost nothing about OLED or 4K tv.

The last TV I bought was a SONY 55" LCD in 2011, which I absolutely LOVED....but I gave it to my assistant last month since I moved into a new house. Viewing distance was about 10 ft and I loved it. Viewing in the new house will be 13-14ft.....couch won't be here til Mar/Apr so I can't dial anything in yet.

yes...I am watching this extravagant home theater laying on the floor when I am home. I am insane.

Everything in this brand-new house is literally brand new, as I just moved in last month. I guess I just fell a bit behind the times....especially crazy since I used to sell home theater for a living at The Good Guys! back in 1997-2002!!!!! hah!

So....does anyone have any links to help me tomorrow to test things while they are STILL at my house? Things to look for? Again....please treat this question as coming from someone who knows next-to-nothing!!!!

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When you say from the INITIAL BOOT.....do you mean withOUT running any grey screens? Just from seeing the initial startup screen? Because that white clouding line on the Sony 85" was there on the initial boot-up screen on both sets and I hated it.

They are coming tomorrow and I know almost nothing about OLED or 4K tv.

The last TV I bought was a SONY 55" LCD in 2011, which I absolutely LOVED....but I gave it to my assistant last month since I moved into a new house. Viewing distance was about 10 ft and I loved it. Viewing in the new house will be 13-14ft.....couch won't be here til Mar/Apr so I can't dial anything in yet.

yes...I am watching this extravagant home theater laying on the floor when I am home. I am insane.

Everything in this brand-new house is literally brand new, as I just moved in last month. I guess I just fell a bit behind the times....especially crazy since I used to sell home theater for a living at The Good Guys! back in 1997-2002!!!!! hah!

So....does anyone have any links to help me tomorrow to test things while they are STILL at my house? Things to look for? Again....please treat this question as coming from someone who knows next-to-nothing!!!!
No I mean right out of the box, finished setting it up, and then run slides lol. If there are uniformity issues, you will be able to see them with 0 hours on the panel. If it has Yellow/Pink stain, you will see it on a white screen while the delivery guy/gal is there. If there are bars, vignetting, DSE, you will see that on a Gray screen while the delivery guy/gal is there. Again, compensation cycles can improve uniformity issues in some cases, but I wouldn't count too much on that.

As for links, go to YouTube and search for OLED test slides and you will get a bunch of videos that display all whatever colored screens for many minutes at a time (sometimes hours) if you don't have slides already. Test White, Gray 5% and 10%, Red, and Yellow, at a minimum. White for staining, Gray for bars and vignetting, Red and Yellow for BI (though again, I doubt there will be any). Also when testing White, get close to the screen to see if there are any dead pixels. A dead pixel will be a tiny black box. Check for stuck pixels also.
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No I mean right out of the box, finished setting it up, and then run slides lol. If there are uniformity issues, you will be able to see them with 0 hours on the panel. If it has Yellow/Pink stain, you will see it on a white screen while the delivery guy/gal is there. If there are bars, vignetting, DSE, you will see that on a Gray screen while the delivery guy/gal is there. Again, compensation cycles can improve uniformity issues in some cases, but I wouldn't count too much on that.

As for links, go to YouTube and search for OLED test slides and you will get a bunch of videos that display all whatever colored screens for many minutes at a time (sometimes hours) if you don't have slides already. Test White, Gray 5% and 10%, Red, and Yellow, at a minimum. White for staining, Gray for bars and vignetting, Red and Yellow for BI (though again, I doubt there will be any). Also when testing White, get close to the screen to see if there are any dead pixels. A dead pixel will be a tiny black box. Check for stuck pixels also.
Thank you. This is exactly the kind of info I was hoping to get prior to delivery.

Is there any websites to tell me what is ACCEPTABLE in regards to these lines and such? Is 1 dead pixel enough to refuse delivery?

I know there is NO perfect TV.....but I had to replace that Sony because that clouding was extremely visible during content.

Do I NEEd to be anal on the grey screens?? How much so?

I know that burn-in will not be tolerable. If I see ANY Burn-In I will refuse.

😎It's just life, dude. We are all gonna die sometime--Might as well try and have a kickass time while we're still here.😜
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