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post #481 of 755 Old 05-29-2020, 02:45 PM
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Do you use madVR? I've been wondering if it makes sense to rely only on madVR's dithering, which is supposed to be superior, or to also use the video card's. I use an all 10-bit chain right now, and the effect of madVR's dithering is very subtle, but Nvidia's is more like a full-on banding reducer. With Nvidia's dithering disabled, video is clearly sharper, without any increase in banding that I've noticed. The difference between on and off can best be seen with gradient test patterns (I like the S&M ones), where Nvidia's dithering smoothes quite a bit.
No, I hardly watch any videos (except Youtube) on this C9 because it's in my work/browse/gaming room. That's the main reason I'm using PC mode. I have however most of the time HDR enabled in Windows on the desktop, because that's the only way to have zero ASBL (dimming). And because I use 8-bit and temporal dithering, there's probably less chance of image retention due to the pixels constantly alternating between colors (like an invisible film noise).
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I purchased the 55"and I regret it because of how large it is. Go for the 48" if you can

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As far as I know reviewers like Vince and rtings don't reach out to manufacturers (I specifically asked rtings), but LG engineers have been known to watch and react to popular reviewers. So I bet LG will come around with some fixes.
I'm glad Vince also put the finger on the VRR issue. Hope they fix that too.

Regarding the 4:4:4 PC as well as the 40Gbs limitation, is it safe to say that 4:2:2 seems the better option anyway, rendering the 40Gbs limitation a non-issue?
We just go with [email protected] 4:2:2 nonPC Mode and avoid any of the PC Mode problems?

Frankly I haven't had any problems with 4:2:2 and the current limitation of HDMI 2.0 to [email protected] 4:2:2 HDR.
It is noticable in small font text only, but hardly noticable from 6ft away in real content.

I mean if that's the case then I guess I'll wait till next years mode, since 4:2:2 is definitely noticeable over 4:4:4 for PC use, anyone else that sits 7+ feet away though using it as a game console probably won't see the diff as many noted, just def for not up front PC use, having to compromise quality isn't what u spend this kinda money on.


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It's not panel related, tested on lot of panels and different models as well (B/C7/8/9/X), even Vincent mentioned it (finally) in the CX review, you just didn't know what to look for
I did , just commenting mine didn't experience it

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I purchased the 55"and I regret it because of how large it is. Go for the 48" if you can

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48" is not even available in my country. I use 55" and it is too large since I use it as gaming monitor and the desk is not big enough.
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If I flip the Windows HDR to watch an HDR movie on Plex Media Player, Kodi, or MPC-HC will that be an accurate picture? Should I turn it off when I'm done for SDR content? I'm assuming if the HDR switch is on but won't tone map correctly for SDR. Meaning it should be turned on and off depending on the content?
Anyone know the answer? Everyone seems real knowledgeable here and it's a puzzle I'm been trying to solve since W10 1709

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For those who use CX as a PC monitor, what OLED light and Contrast values do you use to avoid burn-in?

Since C8 I have always used Oled light 0 and contrast somewhere between 40-50 (I also use those for my CX) .

Wanted to know if there is along term PC user with CX or even earlier Oled TVs (c8 c9 and CX ) who uses higher values for sometime now without having burn-in\image retention issues .

I also have screen saver set to 1 min and auto-hide taskbar

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Haven't read through the thread but hopefully someone can help me. I'm looking to replace my C7 for a C9/CX to take full advantage of the tech in the new consoles.

Brightness is a big deal to me and seeing some reviews (rtings/hdtvtest) makes me want to go with the C9.

On my C7 the brightness in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode is lower than "normal mode". I still think the brightness is ok though when gaming.
Is that the case with C9/CX (lower brightness in game mode)?

Does anyone know the brightness/nits on the C9 and the CX in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode?
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Haven't read through the thread but hopefully someone can help me. I'm looking to replace my C7 for a C9/CX to take full advantage of the tech in the new consoles.

Brightness is a big deal to me and seeing some reviews (rtings/hdtvtest) makes me want to go with the C9.

On my C7 the brightness in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode is lower than "normal mode". I still think the brightness is ok though when gaming.
Is that the case with C9/CX (lower brightness in game mode)?

Does anyone know the brightness/nits on the C9 and the CX in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode?
from the sound of it, it's pretty panel dependent and not model dependent which means you're good either way. The big factor is the DTS audio codec. But if it's solely brightness, you're fine either way.

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For anyone hassling with the Nvidia control panel to change the output settings, I've created a command-line tool which enables you to change the output color format and bit depth with ease.
It uses the NvAPI_Disp_ColorControl-function that is probably used by the control panel itself.
I've also added functionality which allows you to change the dithering algorithm of the driver.
You can however not change the resolution (yet).

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Here is some basic usage info:

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Usage: NvColorControl <bit-depth> <color format> <dithering> <hdr>
  <bit-depth>   : 8, 10 or 12
  <color format>: RGB (full), RGBLM (limited), YUV444, YUV422 or YUV420
  <dithering>   : state: 0 = auto, 1 = enabled, 2 = disabled,
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- NvColorControl 12 YUV420
- NvColorControl 8 RGB 1 1 4 1

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- not all combinations are possible
- HDR can currently only be enabled and requires the application to stay open
- this application does not revert automatically to the previous settings after a timeout
The neat thing is you can create a shortcut to this application (with parameters) on the desktop and configure a shortcut key, so that you can change modes by simply pressing a key combination.
Let me know what you all think of this.
This is pretty neat! I would love to see some sort of preset functionality with say a JSON config file as an array of presets so you could say something like "NvColorControl --config config.json --preset 1".

Also please open source this so we can see what it does and contribute if possible.

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Anybody who lives in the Asia, Europe or the US, have the CX 48" started to sell? I live in Singapore but its still not here yet, there're many articles saying that the CX 48" will start to sell in Europe & Asia first then followed by US this month. The wait is killing me.
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Anybody who lives in the Asia, Europe or the US, have the CX 48" started to sell? I live in Singapore but its still not here yet, there're many articles saying that the CX 48" will start to sell in Europe & Asia first then followed by US this month. The wait is killing me.
Available at the end of this month at least here in Finland.
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Haven't read through the thread but hopefully someone can help me. I'm looking to replace my C7 for a C9/CX to take full advantage of the tech in the new consoles.

Brightness is a big deal to me and seeing some reviews (rtings/hdtvtest) makes me want to go with the C9.

On my C7 the brightness in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode is lower than "normal mode". I still think the brightness is ok though when gaming.
Is that the case with C9/CX (lower brightness in game mode)?

Does anyone know the brightness/nits on the C9 and the CX in Game Mode and HDR Game Mode?
If you are going to get anything larger than the new 48" model, might as well get the cheaper C9. I've loved gaming on it ever since getting the 65" model, which is why I am looking at getting the CX 48" for my PC.
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Anybody who lives in the Asia, Europe or the US, have the CX 48" started to sell? I live in Singapore but its still not here yet, there're many articles saying that the CX 48" will start to sell in Europe & Asia first then followed by US this month. The wait is killing me.
Sadly the 48" will probably never come to certain countries. I live in Vietnam and LG Vietnam told me the 48" would not be available. Same in Australia. I looked at LG Singapore website and didn't see the 48" so I guess it won't be available at your place either.

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hello everyone,
can someone enlighten me? As I know, the C9 offers full 48gb / s with the HDMI 2.1 4k = 120hz HDR with chroma 4: 4: 4, it would be 12 bit output right? But since there is currently no TV with 12 bits, the result on the C9 display is still only a result with max. 10 bit and 4K 120hz HDR with Chroma 4: 4: 4 correct? So you end up with the same result as with a CX 40gb/s right?
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I know the CX offers more features, like the C9 but purely in terms of HDMI 2.1, the same result would be correct at the end of the maximum?
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hello everyone,
can someone enlighten me? As I know, the C9 offers full 48gb / s with the HDMI 2.1 4k = 120hz HDR with chroma 4: 4: 4, it would be 12 bit output right? But since there is currently no TV with 12 bits, the result on the C9 display is still only a result with max. 10 bit and 4K 120hz HDR with Chroma 4: 4: 4 correct? So you end up with the same result as with a CX 40gb/s right?
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I know the CX offers more features, like the C9 but purely in terms of HDMI 2.1, the same result would be correct at the end of the maximum?
You are correct... ish. You would get roughly the same result using 10bit 444 on a 10bit panel as 12bit 444 on the same panel. There would a slight benefit with downsampling the 12bit signal, but not a huge deal at all.

The potential issue is mainly with the uncertainty of the PS5/Series X output capabilities and Nvidia's upcoming cards. The consoles will most likely be outputting 10bit so CX/GX will most likely be good there. Have to wait and see. The bigger question is if Nvidia will allow 10bit 444 at 4K on their upcoming consumer cards. they have only allowed 12bit or 8bit thus far. So again, we'll have to wait and see.

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You are correct... ish. You would get roughly the same result using 10bit 444 on a 10bit panel as 12bit 444 on the same panel. There would a slight benefit with downsampling the 12bit signal, but not a huge deal at all.

The potential issue is mainly with the uncertainty of the PS5/Series X output capabilities and Nvidia's upcoming cards. The consoles will most likely be outputting 10bit so CX/GX will most likely be good there. Have to wait and see. The bigger question is if Nvidia will allow 10bit 444 at 4K on their upcoming consumer cards. they have only allowed 12bit or 8bit thus far. So again, we'll have to wait and see.
honestly with such a big reaction to this issue, i would hope they accomodate. my 49" samsung crg90 monitor can do 444 10bit as seen here.
7372800 pixels on the samsung vs 4k with 82974400 pixels.
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honestly with such a big reaction to this issue, i would hope they accomodate. my 49" samsung crg90 monitor can do 444 10bit as seen here.
7372800 pixels on the samsung vs 4k with 82974400 pixels.
Like most things, it comes down to money lol. Nvidia has always had the capability to allow it in the consumer space, but they have thus far only enabled it in the commercial space, to make sure pros buy the more expensive pro products.

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Sadly the 48" will probably never come to certain countries. I live in Vietnam and LG Vietnam told me the 48" would not be available. Same in Australia. I looked at LG Singapore website and didn't see the 48" so I guess it won't be available at your place either.
The strange thing is that initially the 48" was listed on LG Singapore website for quite some time but around 2 weeks ago they removed it. I sent an email to LG Singapore yesterday & just got this reply from them:

"Dear Valued Customer,
We acknowledge receipt of your email on the above subject.
The said model currently is not available in Singapore at the moment. It will be arriving in late Q2.
Thanks and regards,
LG Electronics Singapore Pte Ltd"

I assume late Q2 is late June? Did LG Vietnam precisely told you that it will never come to Vietnam at all?
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And in this case, C9 users have always been able to watch HDR content and play games in HDR on the PC at 4K 60Hz all thanks to them being able to select 12-bit 4:2:2 in the Nvidia Control Panel.
While the CX can only do HDR at 1440p because that is when they can select 4:2:0 at 12-bit which finally enables them to use HDR; even in games.
Was re-reading some previous posts and had forgotten to quote this...

Where did this come from? I was only aware of the HDMI 2.1 48 Gbps vs 40 Gbps limitations and that is only when we're at 4K @ 120Hz (4K 120Hz 12-bit 4:4:4 on C9 vs 4K 120Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 on CX respectively).

Considering 4K 60Hz 12-bit 4:2:2 does not even go over the HDMI 2.0 18 Gbps bandwidth why would it be different between them (4K 60Hz 12-bit 4:2:2 on C9 vs 1440p 60Hz 12-bit 4:2:0 on CX)? Was that a mix-up?
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This post seems to be all wrong. [email protected] HDR has been proven to work on the CX just like on the C9 (take the rtings test as an example).
And as stated above, HDMI 2.0 limitations only allow for [email protected] HDR 4:2:2 10bit. You can not use 12bit with this resolution, neither on the CX nor on the C9.

A question on the software tool linked above:
Can you use the tool to force NVidia graphics cards to output 10bit?
I saw bit depth there in the command line.
Or are you still stuck to the same resolution/bit depth combos as in NVidia Control Center?
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Sadly the 48" will probably never come to certain countries. I live in Vietnam and LG Vietnam told me the 48" would not be available. Same in Australia. I looked at LG Singapore website and didn't see the 48" so I guess it won't be available at your place either.
The strange thing is that initially the 48" was listed on LG Singapore website for quite some time but around 2 weeks ago they removed it. I sent an email to LG Singapore yesterday & just got this reply from them:

"Dear Valued Customer,
We acknowledge receipt of your email on the above subject.
The said model currently is not available in Singapore at the moment. It will be arriving in late Q2.
Thanks and regards,
LG Electronics Singapore Pte Ltd"

I assume late Q2 is late June? Did LG Vietnam precisely told you that it will never come to Vietnam at all?
If I translate what they told me word for word, it is "at the moment LG Vietnam does not distribute the 48" cx oled product. We plan to distribute the cx series in June." So yeah it may mean the 48" model will come later at an unspecified date but I really doubt so since the product is not on the web page. I remember the z9d and the q90r never had the 55" version here either. Regarding what LG Singapore told you, that's great if it's true, but is there any chance they thought you meant the cx series as a whole instead of just the 48"?

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This post seems to be all wrong. [email protected] HDR has been proven to work on the CX just like on the C9 (take the rtings test as an example).
And as stated above, HDMI 2.0 limitations only allow for [email protected] HDR 4:2:2 10bit. You can not use 12bit with this resolution, neither on the CX nor on the C9.
Although you can use [email protected] HDR Full/Limited RGB 8bit if you like

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I doubt it, as I mentioned above I tried "everything" to cheat to get 10bit with non-pro gaming cards but it didn't work.

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If I translate what they told me word for word, it is "at the moment LG Vietnam does not distribute the 48" cx oled product. We plan to distribute the cx series in June." So yeah it may mean the 48" model will come later at an unspecified date but I really doubt so since the product is not on the web page. I remember the z9d and the q90r never had the 55" version here either. Regarding what LG Singapore told you, it will be great if it is true, but is there any chance they thought you meant the cx series as a whole instead of just the 48"?
This is what I sent them in the email:

"Hi can I know when will the OLED48CXPTA release? I read an article saying that it will release in Europe & Asian markets in june followed by in US, I will really appreciate if could tell me when it will come to the retail stores here because if the OLED48CXPTA model is delayed till end 2020 I'll just purchase the OLED55CXPTA".
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If I translate what they told me word for word, it is "at the moment LG Vietnam does not distribute the 48" cx oled product. We plan to distribute the cx series in June." So yeah it may mean the 48" model will come later at an unspecified date but I really doubt so since the product is not on the web page. I remember the z9d and the q90r never had the 55" version here either. Regarding what LG Singapore told you, it will be great if it is true, but is there any chance they thought you meant the cx series as a whole instead of just the 48"?
This is what I sent them in the email:

"Hi can I know when will the OLED48CXPTA release? I read an article saying that it will release in Europe & Asian markets in june followed by in US, I will really appreciate if could tell me when it will come to the retail stores here because if the OLED48CXPTA model is delayed till end 2020 I'll just purchase the OLED55CXPTA".
Yeah you obviously made it very clear in the email. If what that LG Singapore person said is true then I envy you haha. I can only hope that applies to Vietnam as well and the 48" will be available here later this year.

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This post seems to be all wrong. [email protected] HDR has been proven to work on the CX just like on the C9 (take the rtings test as an example).
And as stated above, HDMI 2.0 limitations only allow for [email protected] HDR 4:2:2 10bit. You can not use 12bit with this resolution, neither on the CX nor on the C9.
Please refer to the FAQ that dfa973 has painstakingly put together.
The LG C9 Secret menu HDMI diagnostic report is reporting inaccurately due to the technical limitation of HDMI.
When setting your PC to 4K 60Hz at 4:2:2 at 12-bit and enabling HDR on Windows, you are sending a 12-bit signal. Else, even Nvidia control panel will show you that it did not accept the 12-bit signal and has instead fall back to 8-bit. So the C9 pretty much does HDR at 12-bit 4:2:2 at 60Hz.

Problem: The TV is reporting that image has 8bit instead of 10/12bit;
Conditions: -;
Cause: When the TV is getting a 4:2:2 HDR signal it is always reported as 8-bit even though it is receiving 12-bit. This is a technical limitation of HDMI. The only way to verify what bit-depth you are getting is to use test patterns. It's the same reason why Dolby Vision is reported as SDR. Because the TV doesn't actually "know" what it is getting.
Resolve: -;

Link: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post58227642


To make it very simple, the CX thing will not be an issue if more TVs decide to adopt this crippled form of HDMI 2.1 like we know what LG has done with its 2020 TVs and what Samsung has done to its own 2020 TVs with very few HDMI 2.1 ports that they have. They are all limited to 40Gbps.
If more people complain because of their crippled ports, this will help push Nvidia to bring 10-bit 4:4:4 support to the next gen HDMI 2.1 consumer RTX cards. Along with forcing both Sony and Microsoft console manufacturers to get the 10-bit 4:4:4 support on their consoles as well.
With it, then the CX gaming owners problem will go away.
Similarly, another option that CX gaming/PC owners have is to HOPE that the HDMI DSC compression technology brings with it very little latency penalty due to the encoding and decoding that the HDMI chips have to do on each end. With this, you could also potentially get 4:4:4 12-bit support via this visually lossless method. Again, this depends on how much latency it adds as a result. This could be a solution if Nvidia or even the next gen consoles too decides to still not bring 10-bit support.
So that pretty much sums up the CX gaming owner issue.

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Am I wrong to use Wide color gamut under Game Mode/PC Mode.



I have it set to auto for everything else, but wide gives the colors a nice little touch.
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Damn, LG canada took the 48" CX off their website after having it on there until recently. Bah, Canada is probably never going to get it.
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To make it very simple, the CX thing will not be an issue if more TVs decide to adopt this crippled form of HDMI 2.1 like we know what LG has done with its 2020 TVs and what Samsung has done to its own 2020 TVs with very few HDMI 2.1 ports that they have. They are all limited to 40Gbps.
If more people complain because of their crippled ports, this will help push Nvidia to bring 10-bit 4:4:4 support to the next gen HDMI 2.1 consumer RTX cards. Along with forcing both Sony and Microsoft console manufacturers to get the 10-bit 4:4:4 support on their consoles as well.
With it, then the CX gaming owners problem will go away.
Similarly, another option that CX gaming/PC owners have is to HOPE that the HDMI DSC compression technology brings with it very little latency penalty due to the encoding and decoding that the HDMI chips have to do on each end. With this, you could also potentially get 4:4:4 12-bit support via this visually lossless method. Again, this depends on how much latency it adds as a result. This could be a solution if Nvidia or even the next gen consoles too decides to still not bring 10-bit support.
So that pretty much sums up the CX gaming owner issue.
You forgot the possibility of a future HDMI 2.1 => DP adapter.

And sadly, it's all speculation and hope on our part. LG shouldn't have gone down the bandwidth limitation path in the first place, period. Their excuse of sacrificing the 8 Gpbs for the benefit of PQ seems like a load of horsedung (pardon my French), as evidenced by the numerous C9 vs. CX reviews that put both TVs pretty much in the same PQ spot.

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Am I wrong to use Wide color gamut under Game Mode/PC Mode. I have it set to auto for everything else, but wide gives the colors a nice little touch.
AFAIK you can't switch color gamut in PC mode. It's greyed out and locked to Auto. However, you can change it in 'Game Console' mode. What I find weird is that extended, wide and auto have different color intensities (for lack of a better, more tech savvy term). I'd expect auto to pick between the other two. Anyone who can shed some light on this mistery, please step forward.

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AFAIK you can't switch color gamut in PC mode. It's greyed out and locked to Auto. However, you can change it in 'Game Console' mode. What I find weird is that extended, wide and auto have different color intensities (for lack of a better, more tech savvy term). I'd expect auto to pick between the other two. Anyone who can shed some light on this mistery, please step forward.

Thank you for your reply, I believe the general consensus is to always leave on auto, but with my ps4 pro I find that wide looks a bit better to me. Will play around with some more settings
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