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Just today I received my 65" A8H from Value Electronics and no issues passing DTS or Dolby Atmos audio over the eARC HDMI cable to my new Denon AVR-X3600H.
What is the firmware version displayed on the upper right corner when you press the HELP button on the A8H remote?
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I'll check when I get back home. It did need a firmware update and the TV was set by default to install all updates so as soon as I completed the one-time set-up it started the firmware update.
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What is the firmware version displayed on the upper right corner when you press the HELP button on the A8H remote?
6.4738 is the latest official firmware and comes on the A8H from the factory. The same firmware can be loaded on the 2018/2019 X1 Ultimate chipset OLEDs.
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6.4738 is the latest official firmware and comes on the A8H from the factory. The same firmware can be loaded on the 2018/2019 X1 Ultimate chipset OLEDs.
Thanks. FYI the same firmware package v6.4738 is available for download from Sony’s support website for 49/85X950H LCD’s, and has been successfully installed on X950G and Z9F LCD’s. No reports yet about any eARC or internal app audio playback stability improvements.

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A8H comparative picture quality comments posted by Robert of V E yesterday:

“Sony's A8H is very much like the A9G, but with a few upgrades in the Clearness, aka BFI and how the A8H's X1 Ultimate video processor was tuned to drive the low luminance to deliver more shadow detail and better screen uniformity. Also although LG's are close to the performance of Sony's X1 Ultimate video processing Sony remains the king of video processing . . . they deliver a moderately better overall image quality. However, as it stands today (compared to the A9G) I would say the advantages of the new Clearness, BFI and how the X1 Ultimate processor was re-tuned to deliver better near black performance makes the A8H is the better choice.”
Thanks for "recapping" that, as that is EXACTLY what I and I am sure a LOT of others have been considering: A9G vs. A8H. I was [I]really[I] looking forward to a 'A9H' model. Maybe it is petty, but as I only turn over my tv once every 10 years, I wanted a pedestal like the A9G. I find the "duck feet"...it just offends my sensibilities. That's a picky personal thing. but I really want to maximize decision points on picture quality. I think Value Electronics and our friend John can help in that regard !
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Thanks for "recapping" that, as that is EXACTLY what I and I am sure a LOT of others have been considering: A9G vs. A8H. I was [I]really[I] looking forward to a 'A9H' model. Maybe it is petty, but as I only turn over my tv once every 10 years, I wanted a pedestal like the A9G. I find the "duck feet"...it just offends my sensibilities. That's a picky personal thing. but I really want to maximize decision points on picture quality. I think Value Electronics and our friend John can help in that regard !
Robert’s post also stated:

“For the successor to the A9G we can look forward to the 2021 model year that will be showcased at CES 2021 and likely become available in the summer of 2021 to see what Sony engineers develop for the new processor and if LG Display has any OLED module upgrade. But that's a year+ away from coming to the market and the technology has advanced so far we're close to the best we'll see for a long time.“

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Does BFI work with the internal apps in the A8H? It was noted that the CX does not.
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Does BFI work with the internal apps in the A8H? It was noted that the CX does not.
Yes it does.
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Does BFI work with the internal apps in the A8H? It was noted that the CX does not.
I saw someone saying BFI can't be changed in HDR/DV mode on the CX. Whether that means it's completely disabled, I'm not sure.

Maybe someone was trying BFI on the CX while using an app playing HDR/DV.
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So reading through this thread, am I correct in concluding that the A8H would be a significant upgrade over a LG C7?

Ugraditis starting to itch a bit.......
I too have an LG C7 and am curious whether an A8H would be a good upgrade.
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A8H comparative picture quality comments posted by Robert of V E yesterday:

“Sony's A8H is very much like the A9G, but with a few upgrades in the Clearness, aka BFI and how the A8H's X1 Ultimate video processor was tuned to drive the low luminance to deliver more shadow detail and better screen uniformity. Also although LG's are close to the performance of Sony's X1 Ultimate video processing Sony remains the king of video processing . . . they deliver a moderately better overall image quality. However, as it stands today (compared to the A9G) I would say the advantages of the new Clearness, BFI and how the X1 Ultimate processor was re-tuned to deliver better near black performance makes the A8H is the better choice.”
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I too have an LG C7 and am curious whether an A8H would be a good upgrade.
Considering the Sony A9G edged out the LG C9 at last years shootout, and going by what Robert said, that would be a yes.
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Considering the Sony A9G edged out the LG C9 at last years shootout, and going by what Robert said, that would be a yes.

The Sony edged out the LG in the US shootout - the LG beat the Sony in the European "blind" shootout...

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The Sony edged out the LG in the US shootout - the LG beat the Sony in the European "blind" shootout...
Didn't the UK shootout put more emphasis on gaming and that is what put the LG over the top? LG if you're a dedicated gamer and Sony if you're more into cinema like content.
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Didn't the UK shootout put more emphasis on gaming and that is what put the LG over the top? LG if you're a dedicated gamer and Sony if you're more into cinema like content.
No lg won best hdr,color accuracy, gaming and black detail came second to panny in tone mapping. A9g won best motion and second to panny in video processing and uniformity

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But a significant factor was using DV Dark with the Sony in the EU shoot-out, which we now know (thanks to D-Nice) is not the correct mode. DV Bright when using external sources over HDMI is the most accurate mode.

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No lg won best hdr,color accuracy, gaming and black detail came second to panny in tone mapping. A9g won best motion and second to panny in video processing and uniformity

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No lg won best hdr,color accuracy, gaming and black detail came second to panny in tone mapping. A9g won best motion and second to panny in video processing and uniformity

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It was the gaming category that put the LG over the Panasonic. But I stand corrected in that the LG would have won over the Sony without the gaming category.

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But a significant factor was using DV Dark with the Sony in the EU shoot-out, which we now know (thanks to D-Nice) is not the correct mode. DV Bright when using external sources over HDMI is the most accurate mode.
The UK shootout was using HDR10 for HDR evaluation.

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The UK shootout was using HDR10 for HDR evaluation.
Sorry about that. It was not clear to me what all the comparisons included. And I never was able to see all the scores, just which brand was the winner and runner-up in each category. It would have been nice to see all the scores in a summary (without having to watch the whole thing) to see whether it was just splitting hairs versus significant differences. I did see that Sony came out higher than LG for motion (Sony was the winner), video processing (2nd behind Panasonic), and uniformity (2nd behind Panasonic), so each clearly has its own strengths and weaknesses. In any case, there are new models now, and this is an A8H thread. And the A8H seems like a winner.
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1. Do you think this A8H will be as good for motion as my KURO?

2. Overall, do you think A8H over 5080HD?

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So reading through this thread, am I correct in concluding that the A8H would be a significant upgrade over a LG C7?

Ugraditis starting to itch a bit.......
It would be an upgrade yes, many new bells and whistles. Significant might be to strong of a word in my book, I would say more of a "nice" upgrade.
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I too have an LG C7 and am curious whether an A8H would be a good upgrade.
Outside of the obvious image processing upgrade with the X1 Ultimate, it will also have improved BFI, giving you (on paper at least) plasma level motion resolution. The C7 doesn't even have basic BFI and is purely sample and hold, topping out at a pathetic 300 lines of resolution.

Seriously, it boggles my mind that LG ever thought a 4K display with only 300 lines of motion resolution was acceptable.
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Outside of the obvious image processing upgrade with the X1 Ultimate, it will also have improved BFI, giving you (on paper at least) plasma level motion resolution. The C7 doesn't even have basic BFI and is purely sample and hold, topping out at a pathetic 300 lines of resolution.

Seriously, it boggles my mind that LG ever thought a 4K display with only 300 lines of motion resolution was acceptable.
Without some sort of motion interpolation (including the C7) that has been the case with every 4K television outside of BFI which many feel is unacceptable due to flickering and brightness loss. That is until Sony was able to figure out how to implement it without much noticeable flicker and brightness penalty with their LCD tech last year and OLED tech this year.

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Without some sort of motion interpolation that has been the case with every 4K television outside of BFI which many feel is unacceptable due to flickering and brightness loss. That is until Sony was able to figure out how to implement it without much noticeable flicker and brightness penalty with their LCD tech last year and OLED tech this year.
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1. Do you think this A8H will be as good for motion as my KURO?
It should be. Will try to get my 101FD out of storage today or tomorrow.... rain is in the forecast today.

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I believe 4K LCDs were already hitting 1080 lines using BFI.
Yes, LCD displays were utilizing BFI back in 2017 but with the caveat I mentioned earlier, noticeable flicker and brightness loss. Hence, some folks didn't feel it was worth the 1080 lines. Sony appears to have a have your cake and eat it too solution.
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Yes, LCD displays were utilizing BFI back in 2017 but with the caveat I mentioned earlier, noticeable flicker and brightness loss. Hence, some folks didn't feel it was worth the 1080 lines. Sony appears to have a have your cake and eat it too solution.
Until we get high native frame rate content, flicker is unavoidable if you want fast, clear motion. Plasmas and CRTs flicker by default. Brightness loss can be compensated for in SDR. Especially on LCDs.

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Until we get high native frame rate content, flicker is unavoidable if you want fast, clear motion. Plasmas and CRTs flicker by default. Brightness loss can be compensated for in SDR. Especially on LCDs.
The flicker with plasma and CRT displays were within most folks tolerance levels. Sony's new BFI implementation is getting to where we were with plasmas.

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The flicker with plasma and CRT displays were within most folks tolerance levels. Sony's new BFI implementation is getting to where we were with plasmas.
Hopefully. Really looking forward to the Kuro comparison. Not just motion but also colors. Crazy how the 101fd is still kind of the benchmark. I still have my lowly Panasonic plasma and it actually looks very nice (as long as light isn't hitting it at the wrong angle). Compared to my OLEDs, colors seem a bit more...intense? Or pure? It has a somewhat different look compared to OLED.
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So reading through this thread, am I correct in concluding that the A8H would be a significant upgrade over a LG C7?

Ugraditis starting to itch a bit.......
Ive got an E7, and just the motion resolution upgrade alone on that bad boy would be a revelation IMO.
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