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post #391 of 1031 Old 05-24-2020, 10:15 PM
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@WOLVERNOLE so you get to determine what's biased and opinion...ok. You're going a little above and beyond what my post was all about, if You need someone online to "save you" from making a purchase this big...then I dont know what to tell you. If the member wants the latest and greatest then yeah get the shiny new model from X brand, but my experience with oled tells me each year the upgrades are incremental, and bottom line it ain't our money.

I've never told anyone on these threads to buy one brand over another...in fact it's on us to make that choice. I may be interested in the Sony down the road, but only because I Want To See what it offers, not what fanboys say, as that can skewer reality.

I saw your edit...I misinterpreted his last sentence, so that's on me, that still doesnt prove that member wrong

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Objective?

The gentleman along with his wife preferred the E7 over the A8H based upon their observations and preferences

Note the gentleman who responded to his post stated this: "The A8H is better than the E7, hands down"
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I’d imagine Vincent will post a CX vs A8H comparison at some point. Possibly even a A9G vs A8H, which will be interesting.


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I stand by my post from yesterday.
1. OLEDs have had incremental improvements over the years. Most people would agree that the 2019 OLEDs (such as the A9G and C9) and the 2020 OLEDs (such as the CX and A8H) are better than the 2017 OLEDs such as the E7. I'm not saying everyone needs to upgrade their display every 2-3 years (I upgrade mine every 8 years) since the improvements are more incremental than revolutionary. And yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. But I don't think you will find many people arguing that the 2017s are better than the current lineup.
2. The main point of my post was that OLEDs need many hours to break in. That's why we should never calibrate them until after at least 100 hrs. The E7 owner was sending the A8H back the day after getting it. Barring a defective panel, that is not giving the new display sufficient time to see what it is capable of. That is a fact, not an opinion.

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I’d imagine Vincent will post a CX vs A8H comparison at some point. Possibly even a A9G vs A8H, which will be interesting.


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He did a Sony AG9 vs. Panasonic GZ950, Sony AG9 vs. LG E9 and LG B9 vs. C9 in 2019 so similar OLED comparisons will likely happen this year also.
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Chill, people. The world isn't ending. Yet.

To me it's pretty simple. zeromothra prefers the brighter screen, which he stated. After a few years of viewing, it's what he and his wife are used to. Could he see things differently if he viewed the Sony for 30 days? Hard to say. He/they may still prefer the brighter picture or get used to a 'new' look.

People would leave Best Buy after viewing a torched plasma and think it was the best, and that's how they set their TV, not knowing it would shorten the life and was a distorted view of actual colors. I'm not saying LG is distorting anything, just that some people like that brighter look. I don't see it as a right or wrong, just a personal preference. It would seem to me, that for him, the better upgrade would be the CX.
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To be fair, I suspect one would be torn apart if he posted in the CX Owner's Thread that he purchased a CX but plans to return it because he prefers his three-year-old A1E.
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Chill, people. The world isn't ending. Yet. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

To me it's pretty simple. zeromothra prefers the brighter screen, which he stated. After a few years of viewing, it's what he and his wife are used to. Could he see things differently if he viewed the Sony for 30 days? Hard to say. He/they may still prefer the brighter picture or get used to a 'new' look.

People would leave Best Buy after viewing a torched plasma and think it was the best, and that's how they set their TV, not knowing it would shorten the life and was a distorted view of actual colors. I'm not saying LG is distorting anything, just that some people like that brighter look. I don't see it as a right or wrong, just a personal preference. It would seem to me, that for him, the better upgrade would be the CX.
Your take on his observations are spot on IMO. I would go as far to say he might be happier with a high end LCD but he did go ahead and ordered a CX.
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1. OLEDs have had incremental improvements over the years. Most people would agree that the 2019 OLEDs (such as the A9G and C9) and the 2020 OLEDs (such as the CX and A8H) are better than the 2017 OLEDs such as the E7. I'm not saying everyone needs to upgrade their display every 2-3 years (I upgrade mine every 8 years) since the improvements are more incremental than revolutionary. And yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. But I don't think you will find many people arguing that the 2017s are better than the current lineup.
Most displays have incremental improvements over one year to the nest, I agree.
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I stand by my post from yesterday.
1. OLEDs have had incremental improvements over the years. Most people would agree that the 2019 OLEDs (such as the A9G and C9) and the 2020 OLEDs (such as the CX and A8H) are better than the 2017 OLEDs such as the E7. I'm not saying everyone needs to upgrade their display every 2-3 years (I upgrade mine every 8 years) since the improvements are more incremental than revolutionary. And yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. But I don't think you will find many people arguing that the 2017s are better than the current lineup.
2. The main point of my post was that OLEDs need many hours to break in. That's why we should never calibrate them until after at least 100 hrs. The E7 owner was sending the A8H back the day after getting it. Barring a defective panel, that is not giving the new display sufficient time to see what it is capable of. That is a fact, not an opinion.
I’d say the OP just prefers LG over Sony. I’m sure the CX he’ll receive that he returned the A8H for will miraculously be 10x better than his E7 according to him and his wife....
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Most displays have incremental improvements over one year to the nest, I agree.
Once i see a jump from my A1E like i did vs my VT60 i will be ready to jump on a new OLED. Or if the Sony bites the dust i will have to jump sooner.
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I don't know this technology well enough to know if the recommended contrast and brightness settings will shorten the life of the panel, like they would a plasma, or not. Here is my concern. The contrast and brightness settings for Dolby Vision are maxed out. HDR settings are maxed for brightness and 90 for contrast. Contrast for SDR is 90. Being as some of those settings are maxed out, what do we do in 3, 4, 5, or however many years, when those settings aren't giving the desired results? What alternatives do we have?

It's also interesting to see these settings compared to my Panny plasma. My calibrated custom brightness setting is +54, and the contrast is set at +75. Lots of room for future adjustments if and when needed.
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Interesting, as I just yesterday purchased an AH8 65". I am retuning it as I just don't dig it over my E7 of all things. Spent quite a few hours A/B'ing things and then just watching. I found the presentation a bit dull. Not saying its less true to the source but I just dig the snap and brighter pic that the LG provides. And the motion, more different than leaps and bounds better IMO. I still see the awkward moments on both sets... perhaps easier to ignore on the Sony but not by much (saw some SOAP too).

I'm really surprised at my reaction but there it is. My wife checked it out this morning before I shared my opinion and she felt the same. Sources were SD cable, 4k HDR Netflix, Prime and 4k HDR Blu-rays (Sicario DV and HDR10 and such) using the settings posted here. Overall light output was definitely down as well if bright rooms are part of your equation. Bring on the flames :>)
@zeromothra - if u still have the A8H, can u please try with out of the box settings with Picture Mode set to Vivid ? The shootout did mentIon this tv works great right out of the box. I am itching to get this tv and ur first hand observation is important. I certainly don’t want a “dull” look to my movies and shows. Custom settings come later after 100 hours. First impressions like those of a spouse are most important !!

Hmmmm....Meditate on this, I will

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I suppose this question isn't necessarily specific to the A8H but since I'm getting one, I'll ask here. I ordered my TV through Value Electronics and I'm having them calibrate it. Given that it's early in the release cycle for this TV, is it possible that they'd release firmware somewhere down the line that would make me need/want to have it calibrated again? I haven't bought a new TV in over 8 years and I never had my plasma calibrated os I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to that process. Thanks!
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I suppose this question isn't necessarily specific to the A8H but since I'm getting one, I'll ask here. I ordered my TV through Value Electronics and I'm having them calibrate it. Given that it's early in the release cycle for this TV, is it possible that they'd release firmware somewhere down the line that would make me need/want to have it calibrated again? I haven't bought a new TV in over 8 years and I never had my plasma calibrated os I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to that process. Thanks!
Definitely maybe. Most firmware updates have no effect on calibrations, although it is possible, it is rare. This has been discussed several times in this thread.
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I suppose this question isn't necessarily specific to the A8H but since I'm getting one, I'll ask here. I ordered my TV through Value Electronics and I'm having them calibrate it. Given that it's early in the release cycle for this TV, is it possible that they'd release firmware somewhere down the line that would make me need/want to have it calibrated again? I haven't bought a new TV in over 8 years and I never had my plasma calibrated os I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to that process. Thanks!
Firmware updates should not affect your settings, so you shouldn't have to do another calibration just due to an update. And VE will give you a spreadsheet with all your settings so you can always input them again if you ever accidentally change them. What will delete your settings is doing a factory reset - you should never have to do one. That being said, some calibrators have recommended a 2nd calibration a few years/a few thousand hours down the road, having nothing to do with firmware updates.

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Break-in

I purchased the 55" A8H for delivery next Monday. I'm replacing a Panasonic plasma from 2010. Is there a recommended break-in strategy for these OLED TVs? With each of the 4 plasmas I've owned, I ran slides for ~200 hours before normal viewing. Are slides still recommended or just stick with full screen content at a reasonable contrast/brightness for the first couple hundred hours?
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I purchased the 55" A8H for delivery next Monday. I'm replacing a Panasonic plasma from 2010. Is there a recommended break-in strategy for these OLED TVs? With each of the 4 plasmas I've owned, I ran slides for ~200 hours before normal viewing. Are slides still recommended or just stick with full screen content at a reasonable contrast/brightness for the first couple hundred hours?
Run the slides for 100 hours in forced HDR10 mode.
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Some reviews have said there is posterization in some shows with the internal Netflix app in the X950H. Does the A8H exhibit this at all?
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Definitely maybe. Most firmware updates have no effect on calibrations, although it is possible, it is rare. This has been discussed several times in this thread.
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Firmware updates should not affect your settings, so you shouldn't have to do another calibration just due to an update. And VE will give you a spreadsheet with all your settings so you can always input them again if you ever accidentally change them. What will delete your settings is doing a factory reset - you should never have to do one. That being said, some calibrators have recommended a 2nd calibration a few years/a few thousand hours down the road, having nothing to do with firmware updates.
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I don't miss my Kuro since i got my A1E 4 years ago. I bet I dont miss my A1E, when i get the A8H
Hmm, given they hit the market in around april 2017, I wonder how you have 4 years.
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Run the slides for 100 hours in forced HDR10 mode.
Thank you for the suggestion. To confirm, are the recommended slides the 1920x1080 slides that can be found in the old 2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues thread?
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I'm probably going to order the A8H today from VE. One thing I haven't yet seen mentioned is speaker quality. How is it compared to CX?
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I'm probably going to order the A8H today from VE. One thing I haven't yet seen mentioned is speaker quality. How is it compared to CX?
There was a post somewhere in this thread discussing it, but I can't find it now. If I remember correctly they said it sounded a little better than the average tv, but bass was lacking. It uses the glass face panel as the speaker.
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I'm probably going to order the A8H today from VE. One thing I haven't yet seen mentioned is speaker quality. How is it compared to CX?
Its good for a television, better than the CX? I cannot say because I do not own one, however, its better than my old Panny Plasma, Samsung Q60 and Q80. There's not much in the bass department, but it's a TV.
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Hmm, given they hit the market in around april 2017, I wonder how you have 4 years.
I had a test unit the year before it came out.
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This TV does NOT have an ATSC 3.0 tuner, correct?
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This TV does NOT have an ATSC 3.0 tuner, correct?
The GX has ATSC 3.0. The CX does not.
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The GX has ATSC 3.0. The CX does not.
Sorry, I'm referring to the A8H.
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