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I haven't tried it but it should work just fine, as long as the drive is 1TB (max. the DTVPal supports) or less. The 2.5" drives use less power so they'll produce less heat accordingly. Just make sure the bracket doesn't short anything out when you put it all together.
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I searched the thread but could not find an answer. Has anyone been successful using a small form factor (SFF) hard drive (2.5") in the DTVPAL? If so, does anyone have a model that has worked well? I have a LFF to SFF bracket and thought the SFF drives would generate less heat and noise. Thanks.
Yes I've been using one since June, 2013.

See posts around: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/42-hdt...l#post23355402

Get a bracket where the 2.5' drive mounts to the rear of the 3.5' bracket or the power cable might not reach the connector on the drive.

The only issue I have seen is kind of hard to explain. The drive is full, about 10 HD hours left. You are recording one or two programs and watching a previously recorded program. When you press STOP there is about a one second delay before the PAL displays the live program and it's title. During that one second you MIGHT, MIGHT get what looks like a decode error when you play back the program currently being recorded. That has nothing to do with the drives physical size but might have something to do with the advanced format.
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I finally found the post I was looking for:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/42-hdt...l#post23731688

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Yes I've been using one since June, 2013.

See posts around: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/42-hdt...l#post23355402

Get a bracket where the 2.5' drive mounts to the rear of the 3.5' bracket or the power cable might not reach the connector on the drive.

The only issue I have seen is kind of hard to explain. The drive is full, about 10 HD hours left. You are recording one or two programs and watching a previously recorded program. When you press STOP there is about a one second delay before the PAL displays the live program and it's title. During that one second you MIGHT, MIGHT get what looks like a decode error when you play back the program currently being recorded. That has nothing to do with the drives physical size but might have something to do with the advanced format.
Thanks regarding using the SFF drives. I forgot to search the thread for "2.5". Does it really matter what type drive you use anymore or will any 2.5" 1TB drive work? Also, is 5,400 RPM still the recommended RPM? I would think they would generate less heat than 7,200 but I may have a 1TB 7,200 sitting around unused.
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SFF Drives

Thanks regarding using the SFF drives. I forgot to search the thread for "2.5". Does it really matter what type of drive you use anymore or will any 2.5" 1TB drive work? Also, is 5,400 RPM still the recommended RPM? I would think they would generate less heat than 7,200 but I may have a 1TB 7,200 sitting around unused.
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Thanks regarding using the SFF drives. I forgot to search the thread for "2.5". Does it really matter what type of drive you use anymore or will any 2.5" 1TB drive work? Also, is 5,400 RPM still the recommended RPM? I would think they would generate less heat than 7,200 but I may have a 1TB 7,200 sitting around unused.
Check the thread, 5400 vs 7200 discussed here.
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Thanks regarding using the SFF drives. I forgot to search the thread for "2.5". Does it really matter what type of drive you use anymore or will any 2.5" 1TB drive work? Also, is 5,400 RPM still the recommended RPM? I would think they would generate less heat than 7,200 but I may have a 1TB 7,200 sitting around unused.
5400 vs. 7200 RPM doesn't matter much for the DTVPal. You're right that 5400 RPM drives are generally less power-hungry, but a 7200 RPM 2.5" drive will still use a lot less power than even a 5400 RPM 3.5" drive, so if you have one lying around, go for it!
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Exclamation yeah, sure, a search is for geek !

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tsk-tsk-tsk, supporting non-searching method of participating ?
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tsk-tsk-tsk, supporting non-searching method of participating ?
No, I'm opposing the fact that constantly posting "RTFM" in response to every question doesn't add to the discussion or help anybody. If you don't want to answer the question, then don't post. Most forums do not have very good search features, and trying to find specific information in a 10 000+ post thread isn't always viable.
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It has been awhile since I last posted my replacement for my dead PAL DVR, but I am still using my $35 Android stick as my DVR/PVR backend whole home DVR. I have gone through several different frontends, and thought I would share my latest front end. This is a microPC with Intel SoC, cost $120. Netflix plays in full HD with Dolby Surround.

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It has been awhile since I last posted my replacement for my dead PAL DVR,...
Perhaps I could fix it and you will not need to divert the topic ?
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No, I'm opposing the fact that constantly posting "RTFM" in response to every question doesn't add to the discussion or help anybody. If you don't want to answer the question, then don't post. Most forums do not have very good search features, and trying to find specific information in a 10 000+ post thread isn't always viable.
You are totally misrepresent my intention - "do search first, post later" it's an offer to a person, who came into huge library and instead of start his quest by himself, look into a catalog, begin search, etc
he is shouting - give me the book, article, post, I can't read, I can't search, I need the answer now !
So, someone (is that what you want from me?) should do search, reading, quoting for him - re-posting same info what already been posted a few times for other inquisitors , right ?
It's same process as we learned in a school, college, university (some)...

[Practically, as EE and IT, I'm all for rtfm where it is necessary.]

PS. You are exaggerating too much, hope you're doing that not to humiliate me as a member here.

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Perhaps I could fix it and you will not need to divert the topic ?
Hahaha, that is a good one. Yes, I should not have diverted from the topic.
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Are any 2.5" drives made for continuous video streaming?

The 3.5" WD drives I have used with 100% success have "Silkstream" technology.

The one drive I have in use that is not spec'd for that purpose is a regular WD 1TB drive, and it about half the time errors when there is a power interruption and the 'Pal restarts. It has always come back operating normally after a second restart.

  • SilkStream - Optimized for smooth, continuous digital video playback of up to twelve simultaneous HD streams. SilkStream is compatible with the ATA streaming command set so CE customers can use standard streaming management and error recovery options.
  • Power-conserving WD AV-GP drives offer significant power savings and thermally optimized operation resulting in lower cost of ownership and unsurpassed reliability for PVR/DVR, IPTV boxes and media server manufacturers.
  • Ideal for set-top boxes (PVR, DVR and IPTV), media servers, media centers, and surveillance applications.


Carry on with your experiment with a 2.5" drive and report back the results. Might be on to something. I would probably measure the wattage with my Kill A Watt meter, and measure a few places in the 'Pal with a infrared thermometer before and after.
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The one drive I have in use that is not spec'd for that purpose is a regular WD 1TB drive, and it about half the time errors when there is a power interruption and the 'Pal restarts. It has always come back operating normally after a second restart.
May just be that particular drive model taking too long to spin up after a power loss. Spin-up issues are much less likely with 2.5" drives.

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SilkStream - Optimized for smooth, continuous digital video playback of up to twelve simultaneous HD streams.
Sweet, but sounds like overkill for a consumer DVR like the Pal. The worst we ever do is record two streams while playing back a third. SilkStream sounds perfect for a media server or whole-home DVR, though.

FWIW, I've been using 1TB WD "Green" drives in my Pals with no issues. They are 3.5" drives, but mounted externally to remove the heat they generate from the Pals themselves.
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May just be that particular drive model taking too long to spin up after a power loss. Spin-up issues are much less likely with 2.5" drives.

Sweet, but sounds like overkill for a consumer DVR like the Pal. The worst we ever do is record two streams while playing back a third. SilkStream sounds perfect for a media server or whole-home DVR, though.

FWIW, I've been using 1TB WD "Green" drives in my Pals with no issues. They are 3.5" drives, but mounted externally to remove the heat they generate from the Pals themselves.
I’m a long time member of this forum, and you all have always come to my rescue when I’ve needed help. My DVR has started (over the past couple months) to freeze up, and I’m having to reboot the box to make it come back to life. It started happening once or twice a week, but now it’s 1-2 times a day. I’ve tried blowing out the box, but that didn’t do much good. Are there some caps that go bad on the main board, that may need replacing? Not sure what to try now. I’m disabled, and not too good with a soldering iron. Any ideas (other than buying another box)?
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Replace bulging capacitors.
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Some pal freezing / cap posts

Chuck,

Could try changing hard drives. For caps, have a look at these (and surrounding) posts ...

UPDATE ON FREEZING / PIXELATING....

dtvpal dvr Freezing Repair

Open it and check if any of the electrolytic capacitors are visibly bulging.

Have you tried a new C34 yet?

For repair ... P Smith back in the states? If not, some have had luck with local TV repair shops. Good luck
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[SilkStream] Sweet, but sounds like overkill for a consumer DVR like the Pal. The worst we ever do is record two streams while playing back a third. SilkStream sounds perfect for a media server or whole-home DVR, though.

FWIW, I've been using 1TB WD "Green" drives in my Pals with no issues. They are 3.5" drives, but mounted externally to remove the heat they generate from the Pals themselves.
Yep probably 100% fine for 'Pal application, but when given the choice of either one for about the same price, I'll take the one optimized for video streaming.
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For repair ... P Smith back in the states? If not, some have had luck with local TV repair shops. Good luck
Well, not yet, but if you don't mind pay s/h both ways for repair your lovely DVR ...
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Yep probably 100% fine for 'Pal application, but when given the choice of either one for about the same price, I'll take the one optimized for video streaming.
True; if you're buying a new HDD, you might as well get one optimized for DVR use. Especially if it costs the same.

But if you have an unused HDD lying around, as the OP said he might have, go ahead and use it even if it's not Silkstream (or whatever Seagate's equivalent trademark is).

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Well, not yet, but if you don't mind pay s/h both ways for repair your lovely DVR ...
Shipping was the show-stopper for me. When I added up the cost to/from Greece and what P Smith would probably ask for, I figured I was better off just getting another used Pal on eBay.

As it turned out, I probably should have gone with P Smith after all. Most Pals on eBay went for more than I was willing to pay, and when I finally found a better deal, the Pal kept rebooting! So I sent it back, bought a DVR+ to tide me over, and only much later found another Pal on eBay for a reasonable price. And that Pal had a bad HDD! Luckily I was planning to replace the HDD with my old one anyway, so no big deal; but you can imagine how I would've felt if I didn't have that old HDD to use.
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Chuck,

Could try changing hard drives. For caps, have a look at these (and surrounding) posts ...

UPDATE ON FREEZING / PIXELATING....

dtvpal dvr Freezing Repair

Open it and check if any of the electrolytic capacitors are visibly bulging.

Have you tried a new C34 yet?

For repair ... P Smith back in the states? If not, some have had luck with local TV repair shops. Good luck
Is there a thread telling me how to get into my DVR? I feel like I'm trying to break into Fort Knox!
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Chuck,

Could try changing hard drives. For caps, have a look at these (and surrounding) posts ...

UPDATE ON FREEZING / PIXELATING....

dtvpal dvr Freezing Repair

Open it and check if any of the electrolytic capacitors are visibly bulging.

Have you tried a new C34 yet?

For repair ... P Smith back in the states? If not, some have had luck with local TV repair shops. Good luck
Is there a thread telling me how to get into my DVR? I feel like I'm trying to break into Fort Knox!
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try post #4277 , page 143 for opening dvr instructions. Good luck it is a pain in the a** to open. After opening break off the tabs since there is no longer a warranty.
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try post #4277 , page 143 for opening dvr instructions. Good luck it is a pain in the a** to open. After opening break off the tabs since there is no longer a warranty.
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What's with the double posts. Is the board malfunctioning?
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try post #4277 , page 143 for opening dvr instructions. Good luck it is a pain in the a** to open. After opening break off the tabs since there is no longer a warranty.
Thanks for the help...
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try post #4277 , page 143 for opening dvr instructions. Good luck it is a pain in the a** to open. After opening break off the tabs since there is no longer a warranty.

Thanks for the help...
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I think non tech-savvy users expect that web browsers require the same double clicking behaviour that is the default for Windows Explorer, so they end up double posting when they click links twice.
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