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I guess it was a 'never assume anything' situation. Having two tuners, I thought the DVR+ could record two same channel, back-to-back programs and start early with an overlap. I tried ever manner of starting two and three minutes early, then I noticed that the recording durations were staying the same, just under and hour. Apparently, in this same channel recording scenario, the DVR+ defaults to recording on time with no early starts. Recording two back-to-back programs on different channels works fine.

So, any programs to wake the hard drive from sleep mode, should probably be on a different channel, if you intend to start a recording early.

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I discovered that years ago: the DVR+ won't make overlapping recordings on the same channel, even if both tuners are available. I tried every trick I could think of to get around it; it just won't do it.

Very annoying when you want to record back-to-back shows on the same channel (as during marathons); it leaves you with no way to pad recordings in case the DVR+ clock doesn't agree with the broadcaster's clock. For those situations, I usually fall back to my PC with Windows Media Center. (WMC has its own annoyance in this regard; to force it to use multiple tuners and keep the padding, you need to specify 10 minutes of padding; otherwise, WMC does the same thing! But at least it's possible.)
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134R Rovi guide: is the end near?

I'm on firmware version 134R and noticed something odd about my guide today: it only goes out one week instead of two.

I have Internet connectivity, and the guide does seem to be updating (last update was yesterday evening); it just doesn't go out as far as it used to.

I'd like to hear from other 134R users as well as 135R users. Have any of your guides gotten shorter? Is it everyone, just 134R, or just me?

Edit: Never mind - I just updated and now my guide goes out two weeks again. I don't even pretend to understand why yesterday's update was only one week. (Well, almost: The Saturday two weeks from today cuts off at 6 AM. But it's close enough to a full two weeks for me.)

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I thought I'd come back this one last time (probably) and post a final (probably) update on our transition from the DVR+ to Silicon Dust HDHomeRun.

In the end it turned out to be a lot more expensive than I'd projected: $690 for the "minimal" hardware. Another $430 in improvements to get us 5.1 DD, streaming devices on the other two TVs, a spare V2 FTV box, a UPS for the NAS hosting the DVR server, client apps, etc. (I did not care for the native HDHR software, so I bought Channels apps for everything and we're subscribed to their DVR service. Spendy, but it all works much more nicely.)

The "minimal" hardware could have been less expensive by $150-$200 if I'd wanted to end up with little more than what the DVR+ gave us. But I was looking for a significant upgrade all around. Once I started down that road it got a bit out of hand

So, a lot more expensive, but we now have solid OTA TV on all TVs and mobile devices, including remotely. DVR'd content the same. (Watched on my iPad something I'd recorded the night before while waiting for an X-Ray in the hospital waiting room.)

Other than buying a 2nd drive for the NAS, for RAID 1: It's done. I think we're now ready to retire the DVR+. (I don't think it's been turned on but once, maybe twice, in the last couple weeks--when my wife wanted to watch something recorded while I was doing something to the new system or that was recorded before the new system was in.)

I guess I'll fire up pachinko's DVR+ Lister to save the stuff off the DVR+'s drive. Maybe someday the HDHR DVR software devs will give us a way to import content. In the meantime I can fire up a media server on the NAS and use VLC, I suppose.

As an aside: The Silicon Dust people just announced a streaming package for the HDHR OTA devices that includes, I dunno, three dozen or so (?) channels. They're still working the bugs out, but it looks a lot like what E*/CM tried to do with the DVR+ and bungled. One cool thing about the SD HDHR package: All the channels will be DVR-able. And they'll work with the Channels, Plex, etc. software.



So that's it... I guess.
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I thought I'd come back this one last time (probably) and post a final (probably) update on our transition from the DVR+ to Silicon Dust HDHomeRun.

In the end it turned out to be a lot more expensive than I'd projected: $690 for the "minimal" hardware. Another $430 in improvements to get us 5.1 DD, streaming devices on the other two TVs, a spare V2 FTV box, a UPS for the NAS hosting the DVR server, client apps, etc. (I did not care for the native HDHR software, so I bought Channels apps for everything and we're subscribed to their DVR service. Spendy, but it all works much more nicely.)
Well, to get close to what you have with the DVR+ would have cost that much - three DVR+ for the TVs would run about $600 at $199 and then you wouldn't have the other streaming options you want. And your hardware cost is still less than a year's average cable subscription. The Channels app DVR is a $35 a year subscription, isn't it? So that's in there, but it's pretty minimal ongoing cost if it does what you want.
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Well, to get close to what you have with the DVR+ would have cost that much - three DVR+ for the TVs would run about $600 at $199 and then you wouldn't have the other streaming options you want.
We didn't really need DVR on the other two TVs. (There will actually end-up being 4-5, total, by the time I finish remodelling the basement.) What we did need was good TV reception. We're in a challenging spot. And the DVR+s wouldn't have helped with that. It's the networked tuner that's the thing, there.

And, as you noted: All the other streaming options we got in the bargain. So, yeah: It's a lot more expensive, but it provides a lot more.

That being said: CM would've been wise, IMO, to have purchased the DVR+ from E* and built on it.

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And your hardware cost is still less than a year's average cable subscription.
Actually worked out to about a two-year break even with basic cable or satellite.

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The Channels app DVR is a $35 a year subscription, isn't it? So that's in there, but it's pretty minimal ongoing cost if it does what you want.
It is, but SD's client apps weren't working for us, so I switched us up to the Channels suite. That's $80/year. Still minimal, compared to subscription TV. And, with the NAS I upgraded to, to give us hardware transcoding, we got remote access.
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Looks like my 7500 shot craps. Worked fine the other day then nothing no signal, no sound. Did a reboot by unplugging power cord overnight without success, then applied latest update with thumb drive, I guess it worked, blue light returned after reboot but still no signal. Tried changing cables no luck. Its about 4 or 5 years old. Thinking about the new Stream+ version but now worried about reliability.
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This has probably been brought up before in this thread, but I have noticed recently that the Channel Master DVR's tuner is of a much lower quality than the OTA tuner in my Samsung UltraHDTV. I take my antenna signal and use a Y coax at the back of the DVR and the TV to split the signal to both. The TV gets stations with no problems and stable pictures on the same channels that the DVR doesn't.

And more recently, the DVR again lost channel 7. When that happens, I end up doing a total rescan and it comes back. But this can be annoying if I ever miss some program on that channel.
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What is a "Y coax"? Do you mean a coax splitter like this?


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Looks like my 7500 shot craps. Worked fine the other day then nothing no signal, no sound. Did a reboot by unplugging power cord overnight without success, then applied latest update with thumb drive, I guess it worked, blue light returned after reboot but still no signal.

What would be a good replacement. Just need something to watch off air and record programs. Thanks.
You could try to pick up another DVR+ on eBay; they usually don't come cheap, though.

If your needs are simple, you could pick up a one-tuner HomeWorx or iView recorder for $35. You'll also need a HDD, but you could reformat the one from your DVR+. The HomeWorx & iView use a Windows NTFS file system instead of the ext4 file system used by the DVR+.

The AirTV Player is a step up from the cheap boxes. Still one tuner, but runs Android TV like the Stream+. Its "killer app" is a Sling TV app that integrates OTA channels with Sling TV's streaming channels.

Most DVR+ owners haven't been happy with the Stream+'s DVR features. But if you're willing to spend more, you can now pair a Stream+ with one of SiliconDust's newer HDHomeRun models. SD even has a DVR app for it which is better than the Stream+'s built-in DVR. Unfortunately it requires a subscription, but it's pretty cheap ($35/year, or under $3/month). Check the Stream+ thread for details.
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This has probably been brought up before in this thread, but I have noticed recently that the Channel Master DVR's tuner is of a much lower quality than the OTA tuner in my Samsung UltraHDTV. I take my antenna signal and use a Y coax at the back of the DVR and the TV to split the signal to both. The TV gets stations with no problems and stable pictures on the same channels that the DVR doesn't.
Yes, it has, and you're right for the most part. The DVR+ tuners don't work as well as those in Samsung TVs. It's not so much a matter of generically "lower quality," though, as an inability to handle multipath interference very well.

Depending on your environment, you may be able to reduce multipath interference enough that your DVR+ performs as well as your Samsung. Basically the process involves working with, and/ possibly replacing, your TV antenna. One of us (Greasemonkey) made good improvements in his reception this way.

But there are also cases where it's just not practical to reduce multipath enough to help. Another of us (Criggs) found himself in this situation. So you may have to admit defeat and look for another DVR solution. See my last post for some suggestions if it comes to that.

If interested, start a thread in the HDTV Technical forum. Make sure to post a link to your TVFool.com report so the folks there know what you're dealing with. (Don't worry if your TVFool report is missing some of your stations; that's normal these days.)
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What is a "Y coax"? Do you mean a coax splitter like this?
Yes.
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You could try to pick up another DVR+ on eBay; they usually don't come cheap, though.

If your needs are simple, you could pick up a one-tuner HomeWorx or iView recorder for $35. You'll also need a HDD, but you could reformat the one from your DVR+. The HomeWorx & iView use a Windows NTFS file system instead of the ext4 file system used by the DVR+.

The AirTV Player is a step up from the cheap boxes. Still one tuner, but runs Android TV like the Stream+. Its "killer app" is a Sling TV app that integrates OTA channels with Sling TV's streaming channels.

Most DVR+ owners haven't been happy with the Stream+'s DVR features. But if you're willing to spend more, you can now pair a Stream+ with one of SiliconDust's newer HDHomeRun models. SD even has a DVR app for it which is better than the Stream+'s built-in DVR. Unfortunately it requires a subscription, but it's pretty cheap ($35/year, or under $3/month). Check the Stream+ thread for details.
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Looks like my 7500 shot craps. Worked fine the other day then nothing no signal, no sound. Did a reboot by unplugging power cord overnight without success, then applied latest update with thumb drive, I guess it worked, blue light returned after reboot but still no signal. Tried changing cables no luck. Its about 4 or 5 years old. Thinking about the new Stream+ version but now worried about reliability.
Any suggestions on things I haven't tried?

What would be a good replacement. Just need something to watch off air and record programs. Thanks.

Can you be more specific as to what cables you changed?
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Can you be more specific as to what cables you changed?
Hdmi.

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I discovered that years ago: the DVR+ won't make overlapping recordings on the same channel, even if both tuners are available. I tried every trick I could think of to get around it; it just won't do it.

Very annoying when you want to record back-to-back shows on the same channel (as during marathons); it leaves you with no way to pad recordings in case the DVR+ clock doesn't agree with the broadcaster's clock. For those situations, I usually fall back to my PC with Windows Media Center. (WMC has its own annoyance in this regard; to force it to use multiple tuners and keep the padding, you need to specify 10 minutes of padding; otherwise, WMC does the same thing! But at least it's possible.)
DVR + is doing what most DVR's have done with overlapping channels over the years, the software in DVR's just isn't sophisticated enough to pull off overlapping on the same channel. The idea has always been just use another tuner. Some of the cloud dvr's work the same way, if a recording is padded they are all treated separately even if you have three programs in row. The best solution for the problem is a four tuner ota dvr (tivo bolt for example) two tuners can easily flip flop for marathons, and you still have two left for other things. I think at some point it will be an AI based software DVR that will look at our recording habits and be able to figure this out and get us more what we want. Don't be surprised if it's cloud based.

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Looks like my 7500 shot craps. Worked fine the other day then nothing no signal, no sound. Did a reboot by unplugging power cord overnight without success, then applied latest update with thumb drive, I guess it worked, blue light returned after reboot but still no signal. Tried changing cables no luck. Its about 4 or 5 years old. Thinking about the new Stream+ version but now worried about reliability.
Any suggestions on things I haven't tried?

What would be a good replacement. Just need something to watch off air and record programs. Thanks.
Have you tried a different HDMI input on your TV? This is pretty remote, but you could also try unplugging the power cord from the TV, wait a few minutes, then plug the TV back in. Or even try a different TV.

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If I was looking to replace a DVR+ as inexpensively as possible, I'd probably take a close look at the Tablo Dual Lite and something with which to stream from it. (About $200, plus the cost of a USB drive.) Here's their "What You Need" page for the product: Tablo Dual Lite - What You Need

N.B.: I have no experience with this product. I have not researched it. When I was looking to replace our DVR+ I found Tablo did not support Digital Dolby (looks like it does now) and the feedback I got on their tuner performance was "meh"--much like the DVR+'s.

Next least expensive option, and the minimum way I'd go, would perhaps be a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Connect Duo, WD MyCloud Personal and an Amazon Fire TV pendant. (You're looking at over $400 for that combination, though.)

Our DVR+ will eventually wind up on eBay I imagine. I just have to get around to it
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DVR + is doing what most DVR's have done with overlapping channels over the years, the software in DVR's just isn't sophisticated enough to pull off overlapping on the same channel. The idea has always been just use another tuner.
To be clear, the DVR+ won't even let you just use another tuner in this instance. The padding between back-to-back recordings on the same channel is dropped even if the other tuner is free.

The old DTVPal/CM-7000Pal works the way you describe: if the second tuner is free, padding on back-to-back recordings is preserved by using both tuners; if the other tuner isn't free, the padding is dropped so that the shows can still be recorded with the one remaining tuner.

Windows Media Center drops the padding unless it's at least 10 (!) minutes, in which case it'll use two tuners. But the DVR+ always drops the padding regardless. (You can't specify 10 minutes of padding, even if that would work.)
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The best solution for the problem is a four tuner ota dvr (tivo bolt for example) two tuners can easily flip flop for marathons, and you still have two left for other things.
I don't know if that's the "best" solution, but it's pretty close to the only solution available to end-users who don't write their own DVR software.
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If I was looking to replace a DVR+ as inexpensively as possible, I'd probably take a close look at the Tablo Dual Lite and something with which to stream from it. (About $200, plus the cost of a USB drive.) Here's their "What You Need" page for the product: Tablo Dual Lite - What You Need

N.B.: I have no experience with this product. I have not researched it. When I was looking to replace our DVR+ I found Tablo did not support Digital Dolby (looks like it does now) and the feedback I got on their tuner performance was "meh"--much like the DVR+'s.

Next least expensive option, and the minimum way I'd go, would perhaps be a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Connect Duo, WD MyCloud Personal and an Amazon Fire TV pendant. (You're looking at over $400 for that combination, though.)

Our DVR+ will eventually wind up on eBay I imagine. I just have to get around to it
Thanks for all the replies. I just found a spare certified premium HDMI cable I forgot about and plugged it into the Channel Master and Jackpot it worked!

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Over the last year or more I noticed I had to cycle power to my DVR+ as it seems to have problems after My attached USB would get above 25%. When I would delete shows off the USB via the DVR+ it would not completely free the usage so the usage indicator might go down a little but would quickly climb. Cycling power seemed to do the trick. To cycle power I would unplug the DVR+.


I just purchased a Wemo mini plug and can now cycle the DVR+ without having to get on the floor and reach to the back of my stereo closet.
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Rebooting the DVR+ does a Linux fsck (file system check), I think followed by deleting anything that winds up in the lost+found directories. That's probably why it reclaims your lost storage.

I think you can do the same thing from the DVR menu: select DVR / DVR Setup / Check Disk. But of course there are other reasons to reboot your DVR+ from time to time, so you may prefer rebooting to the Check Disk function.
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Even with the DVR+ issues I would really miss it if if died as it is my primary source for TV watching.
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Even with the DVR+ issues I would really miss it if if died as it is my primary source for TV watching.
You might consider beginning to search for a suitable replacement. They will eventually turn off the guide for the DVR+.

Re: Your disk issues: Sounds like it may be failing. Since something like a 2TB WD Elements USB drive is only about $60, you may wish to think about replacing it.
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They will eventually turn off the guide for the DVR+.
But the nice thing is, when that day comes, the DVR+ will continue working, with a PSIP-provided guide. Unlike, say, TiVo* or the Stream+, the DVR+ does not require an Internet connection to work.

*Technically, I think a TiVo with lifetime will also work without Internet, although eventually you'd run out of guide and have to record everything by date/time, VCR-style (TiVo lacks a PSIP fallback).
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*Technically, I think a TiVo with lifetime will also work without Internet, although eventually you'd run out of guide and have to record everything by date/time, VCR-style (TiVo lacks a PSIP fallback).
Like my old Sony TV, we can hope that despite the lack of a guide, an internet clock will still be supplied. But with no clock, drift will be an issue. Eventually.
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