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Thanks. The Tivo mini isn't important to me at this point (we only have 2 TVs and the 2nd isn't used much.) If I do cut the cord, I want to make sure I can record OTA shows for later viewing like my current DVR can which is apparently the case with either model. Even at 4x the price, the basic Tivo seems like a better buy to me unless one is certain they will never subscribe to cable in the future. I haven't made that decision yet.
Even if one is sure they will never subscribe to cable in the future. In the long run the ROamio Basic costs less than the Roamio OTA. Since you can get get lifetime service while with the Roamio OTA, you are stuck paying $15 a month forever. ANd then if you have more than one TV, the Roamio OTA makes less sense because it can't be a host to a TiVo Mini.
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I just bought a Roamio Basic a couple of weeks ago. I had looked at the Roamio OTA on their web site, but i wanted to get something in time for the World Cup tennis matches, so I bought the Basic, even though I am only using the OTA part of it, since I cut the cord 2 years ago. It works perfectly with my Walltenna indoor HD antenna and I get about 18 local channels. The tuner(s) in the basic are better than the tuners in my Samsung 50" HD, since I get about 5 more stations reliably.

I did not get the lifetime ( of the unit) , because being a retired video Broadcast Engineer, Training Director, and Component tech for all my working days, the idea of spending $500 for subscription fees on a box that is used 24/7, with a hard drive, and could break at any time, doesn't appeal to me. I also don't mind paying the $15 a month for the schedule info, software updates, etc.

Anyway, the OTA Tivo which was supposed to be released 9-14-14, had been delayed. If you go to the Tivo website, and click on Discover, and Antenna, it will take you to the OTA page. Put in the state you live in, it will tell you the Best Buy Dealers that will have it available, and also the date they will have it in stock. Many of these stores won't get OTA's until October and a few as late as November. They won't have the lifetime option, so you will have to pay the $15 a month. It has the same 4 tuners, and hard drive, and remote as the basic.
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I did not get the lifetime ( of the unit) , because being a retired video Broadcast Engineer, Training Director, and Component tech for all my working days, the idea of spending $500 for subscription fees on a box that is used 24/7, with a hard drive, and could break at any time, doesn't appeal to me.
Presuming you purchased the TiVo from someone other than TiVo you can purchase Lifetime for $399 (not $499). The discount code is PLSR or some such. A search will find it in 2 seconds. Also, TiVo is rather known as lasting forever... and the hard drive can be easily swapped if needed.

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YEs. My GF is still using two of my Series 3 boxes I got in 2006. They both have the first available 1TB drive in them. A 5 platter drive that I put in each of them in 2007. They have both been running 24/7/365 for over seven years now with no issues. And those drives put out some serious heat too. So I had expected to have an issue at some point. But so far they have been fine.

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I did not get the lifetime ( of the unit) , because being a retired video Broadcast Engineer, Training Director, and Component tech for all my working days, the idea of spending $500 for subscription fees on a box that is used 24/7, with a hard drive, and could break at any time, doesn't appeal to me. I also don't mind paying the $15 a month for the schedule info, software updates, etc.
Buy the lifetime, put it on a credit card and pay it off each month for $20. You will have the satisfaction of paying a monthly fee for 3 yr after which you own it outright -- and should you realize it will run for the next 5 years afterwards you will not have to pay another cent.

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So apparently the Roamio OTA DOES work with Tivo Minis

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/statu...01033057210370

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So apparently the Roamio OTA DOES work with Tivo Minis

https://twitter.com/tivodesign/statu...01033057210370
I just wonder if it was actually a mistake or TiVo realized their screwup and changed their policy.
Either way though, it is good news.
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I have a Roamio OTA and Mini. They work together without issue.

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Yes, TiVo has come out and said the opposite of their initial statement and said the Mini does work with the OTA Roamio.

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Yes, TiVo has come out and said the opposite of their initial statement and said the Mini does work with the OTA Roamio.
So is the Tivo OTA the exact same hardware as the basic, just with artifical software limitations?
IOW-does it have the physical cablecard hardware?
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So is the Tivo OTA the exact same hardware as the basic, just with artifical software limitations?
IOW-does it have the physical cablecard hardware?
One of the reviews had a picture of it. It is still the same housing as the Roamio BAsic and the cable card door is still on the bottom. But I don't the ink the device that the cable card slides into was there. Although the pins were there on the MB.

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Tivo has pulled the dates off their website for expected delivery. I went to my local Best Buy (Champaign, IL) yesterday. Customer service had no idea what I was talking about. They sent me to the home theater folks. They hadn't heard of it either. He started off looking it up on the website and of course the SKU doesn't work there. He then looked up the SKU in the store system and found it but nothing was in stock anywhere in the midwest. He didn't seem to have a way to order from the warehouse which seems to be what some of you have done.

I'm really jealous of the folks who were able to walk in their store and place an order for one with no problem. (maybe one of you can order me one?) I just can't see spending the extra $100-150 on the regular Roamio, otherwise I'd do that. (Tivo has $50 off the Roamio with promo code MMA)

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So is the Tivo OTA the exact same hardware as the basic, just with artifical software limitations?
IOW-does it have the physical cablecard hardware?
The door is still there but when you take open up that panel there is nothing there to plug it in
Heck even the software when you do the setup says "CABLE ONLY" or "ANTENNA ONLY" so it **might** work with analog (unencrypted) cable
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I just can't see spending the extra $100-150 on the regular Roamio, otherwise I'd do that. (Tivo has $50 off the Roamio with promo code MMA)
A Roamio Basic plus lifetime (with lifetime discount code) will cost you an extra $500 over the cost of the Roamio OTA. That is a break-even point of 2yr 9mo paying the $15/month service charge. After that you keep paying monthly for the Roamio OTA and pay nothing for the Roamio Basic ever again. Plus if you ever decide to sell the unit at some point, the Roamio Basic plus lifetime will have value, the Roamio OTA will have none.

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A Roamio Basic plus lifetime (with lifetime discount code) will cost you an extra $500 over the cost of the Roamio OTA. That is a break-even point of 2yr 9mo paying the $15/month service charge. After that you keep paying monthly for the Roamio OTA and pay nothing for the Roamio Basic ever again. Plus if you ever decide to sell the unit at some point, the Roamio Basic plus lifetime will have value, the Roamio OTA will have none.

Your choice.
I'm curious, what percentage of Tivo users have lifetime versus monthly subscriptions? I for one, can't see investing $500 in a $50 product lifetime agreement, since $15 a month isn't going to drive me into bankruptcy. Who knows if I will even be using an OTA DVR in 3 or 4 years.
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The main reason to buy lifetime is so that you can resell your TiVo on eBay when you're ready to buy a newer model. TiVos with lifetime sell for several hundred dollars and allow you to almost break even when you upgrade, whereas a TiVo without lifetime has almost no resale value.
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The main reason to buy lifetime is so that you can resell your TiVo on eBay when you're ready to buy a newer model. TiVos with lifetime sell for several hundred dollars and allow you to almost break even when you upgrade, whereas a TiVo without lifetime has almost no resale value.
But what percentage of Tivo owners invest in lifetime, 10%, 20%, etc....? I'm betting it is not a majority, or even close.
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But what percentage of Tivo owners invest in lifetime, 10%, 20%, etc....? I'm betting it is not a majority, or even close.
I have no idea but what does it matter? The numbers are clear, the value is clear -- there is no reason not to get lifetime. If you can't stomach the upfront cost, put it on a credit card and pay it off monthly. Even with the interest hit you come out ahead.

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I have no idea but what does it matter? The numbers are clear, the value is clear -- there is no reason not to get lifetime. If you can't stomach the upfront cost, put it on a credit card and pay it off monthly. Even with the interest hit you come out ahead.

Pay once or pay forever.
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The "lifetime" is only as long as the Tivo doesn't fail. So it's a $500 gamble as far as I can see. That is the reason I asked the question, how many people actually take that gamble. My guess it is a small number.
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The "lifetime" is only as long as the Tivo doesn't fail. So it's a $500 gamble as far as I can see. That is the reason I asked the question, how many people actually take that gamble. My guess it is a small number.
Based on TiVos quarterly results ending July 31st, 2014. There were 937,000 active retail subscriptions. Around 59% (556,000) are lifetime subs and around 41% (381,000) are monthly subs.

http://investor.tivo.com/phoenix.zht...rterlyearnings

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Based on TiVos quarterly results ending July 31st, 2014. There were 937,000 active retail subscriptions. Around 59% (556,000) are lifetime subs and around 41% (381,000) are monthly subs.


So Lifetime subscriptions are easily the majority.
I am assuming that this figure represents the monthly subscribers

% of TiVo-Owned cumulative subscriptions paying recurring fees 49%

So that would indicate to me that about 50% prefer monthly versus lifetime. I do admit that is quite a bit more than I would have expected.
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I am assuming that this figure represents the monthly subscribers

% of TiVo-Owned cumulative subscriptions paying recurring fees 49%

So that would indicate to me that about 50% prefer monthly versus lifetime. I do admit that is quite a bit more than I would have expected.
I think that percentage removes the "TiVo-Owned Fully Amortized Active Lifetime Subscriptions" which was listed as 159K. Either way 50/50 or 59/41, a large percentage of people have lifetime TiVos and a large percentage of people also have monthly subscriptions.

I have a monthly subscription on my Roamio Basic. But it is only $6.95 a month. All my other TiVos have lifetime service.

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The "lifetime" is only as long as the Tivo doesn't fail. So it's a $500 gamble as far as I can see. That is the reason I asked the question, how many people actually take that gamble. My guess it is a small number.
Lots of high-priced electronics can fail a day out of warranty and you are screwed -- TiVo is no different in that respect. However, the only thing that ever fails in a TiVo is the HDD or, rarely, the PS. With Roamio the HDD is a drop-in user replacement and the PS is an external wart -- just buy a new one or equivalent. TiVo's are built well and last which is why they have such good resale value on eBay. My TiVo HD is coming up on 6 yr continuous service with all the original equipment intact.

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With no lifetime service option and lack of being available at a single price point maybe lower than the base Roamio with service included, I think I would choose a DVR+ over this model (removing the base Roamio as an option).
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With no lifetime service option and lack of being available at a single price point maybe lower than the base Roamio with service included, I think I would choose a DVR+ over this model (removing the base Roamio as an option).
Friend of mine has a DVR+ and the tuner in it is not as good as the Tivo Roamio tuners. He gets more stations with his TV than with the DVR+ and with my Roamio basic, it's opposite, I get more with the Tivo than with my TV alone.
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Friend of mine has a DVR+ and the tuner in it is not as good as the Tivo Roamio tuners. He gets more stations with his TV than with the DVR+ and with my Roamio basic, it's opposite, I get more with the Tivo than with my TV alone.
I experienced similar results when the DVR+ first came out. I relegated the DVR+ to a 2nd TV which I hardly used. But pulled it back out recently and the tuner is doing much better than some of the issues I experienced earlier. I wouldn't think a firmware update could do anything to help with that, but I don't know how to explain the differences in performance at the moment.
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With no lifetime service option and lack of being available at a single price point maybe lower than the base Roamio with service included, I think I would choose a DVR+ over this model (removing the base Roamio as an option).
Even though I am and have always been OTA, without a single price option I wouldn't give this unit a second look.

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I experienced similar results when the DVR+ first came out. I relegated the DVR+ to a 2nd TV which I hardly used. But pulled it back out recently and the tuner is doing much better than some of the issues I experienced earlier. I wouldn't think a firmware update could do anything to help with that, but I don't know how to explain the differences in performance at the moment.
Probably improved error correction. This was always the downfall of the Premier. It was theorized the OTA reception could be improved on the Premier if Tivo would just take the time to apply better EC code.
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