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*** Official - Tivo: Bolt ***

Thought I'd start a separate thread specifically for the newly announced Bolt. Should be shipping now.

Specification sheet download

Specs:

Video
HDMI out v2.0 (4k 24/60, 1080p, 24/60)
3D Passthrough (SxS/TxB)

Audio
Digital Optical or HDMI
Analog Stereo 3.5mm

Networking
Wireless Yes (802.11 AC Dual Band)
Ethernet 10/100/1000
MoCA bridge 2.0 Built in

Recording
Simultaneous recordings 4 shows
HD hours (500 GB/ 1TB) 75/150
Built-in HDD 500 GB/ 1000 GB
Expandable eSATA up to 1 TB

Mobile Streaming and Downloading
In home Built in
Out of home Built in (coming soon)

Extras
Remote Finder Yes
RF remote Yes
Tru Multi Room™ up to 10 boxes supported (with 3 live HD streams)

I'm loving the design! Looks very future forward and I'm really loving the fact that it's already future capable with 4K recording capabilities! I've yet to hear, but I'm sure it supports HEVC (H.265).

I haven't used Tivo since 2005 but it looks like I'll be back on board with this baby.

**10/13/15** Broadcom chip press release

Tivo Bolt uses the Broadcom's BCM7445, capable of 4K 60p with 10 bit Rec 2020 color capabilities.

Highlights:
  • HEVC video coding standard and reduced video bandwidth
  • Brahma15 21,000-DMIP CPU
  • Four 1080p30 real-time transcoders
  • HEVC compression for resolution up to 4096x2160p60
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Just as you love the design, I hate it. It looks like it was designed for Apple yuppies who want to have something "pretty" they can display that matches their polished chrome and glass modern interiors.

I'm old school. AV components should be rectangular and black with an electroluminescent display and not a conversation piece.
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No display for me, but that's easy to fix. I'm glad a thread was started however. TiVo's stock is up today. But so is most of tech. I expect some changes to happen with the next update. It should be interesting.
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The Skipmode is really cool! But I would never put a white shaped device like that in one of my entertainment centers.
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The Skipmode is really cool!
However based on your viewing habits it can be of little value. If you watch commercial delayed it's not available which is a good chunk of what I view. I will say I had commercial skip with WMC (for a time) and when it worked it was very nice.
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For those curious, Tivo's chief marketing officer admitted that the Bolt is not for the Tivo enthusiast (at least not in its current form).

Q&A thread with him at TCF here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=532368

Very refreshing to see someone from Tivo appear again at TCF, and nice to see honest and thoughtful answers to most of the questions.
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Gigabit ethernet, sweet!

Won't take all NIGHT to transfer a day's recordings. Of course, still will take forever to process them with Videoredo and Comskip. Looking forward to the fast-play, finally. In fact, some transferring to PC is just so I can play them in VLC for that. I assume you can just pop in a bigger drive as easily as the Roamio.
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Won't take all NIGHT to transfer a day's recordings. Of course, still will take forever to process them with Videoredo and Comskip. Looking forward to the fast-play, finally. In fact, some transferring to PC is just so I can play them in VLC for that. I assume you can just pop in a bigger drive as easily as the Roamio.
Don't assume. First off they changed the HDD form factor to 2.5". The largest 2.5" AV rated drive is the 1TB WD10JUCT which sells for $80 at Amazon. At that price it's worth it to just pay the extra $20 TiVo wants to sell you a Bolt with 1TB HDD. That way you know it will work. Now you are up to $400 -- add All In for a cool Grand.

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I'm loving the design! Looks very future forward and I'm really loving the fact that it's already future capable with 4K recording capabilities! I've yet to hear, but I'm sure it supports HEVC (H.265).

I haven't used Tivo since 2005 but it looks like I'll be back on board with this baby.
Yes the Bolt supports decoding HEVC and VP9. I know YouTube is using VP9 for their 4K content. And the way things are going, more providers might be using VP9 instead of HEVC to save money.

Since the HEVC group wants 0.5% royalty payments with HEVC usage.(which supposedly would translate to over 100 million a year in royalty payments from many services like Netflix, Amazon, and Facebook) But only time will tell what happens.

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Won't take all NIGHT to transfer a day's recordings. Of course, still will take forever to process them with Videoredo and Comskip. Looking forward to the fast-play, finally. In fact, some transferring to PC is just so I can play them in VLC for that. I assume you can just pop in a bigger drive as easily as the Roamio.
The Roamio PRo/Plus have GigE too. But the fastest throughput to my PC I get is around 220Mb/s. And that is in standby with no tuners buffering. So hopefully with the more powerful processor of the Bolt(11,000 DMIPS vs. 3,000 DMIPS with the Roamio), we will see a gigantic improvement in transfer rates with the Bolt.

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Yes the Bolt supports decoding HEVC and VP9. I know YouTube is using VP9 for their 4K content. And the way things are going, more providers might be using VP9 instead of HEVC to save money.

Since the HEVC group wants 0.5% royalty payments with HEVC usage.(which supposedly would translate to over 100 million a year in royalty payments from many services like Netflix, Amazon, and Facebook) But only time will tell what happens.
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Some question about Bolt, Roamio and 4K

I already have a Roamio with a 2 TB drive. Will the new Bolt work together with it and be able to read programs from its drive? I am assuming yes.

Also, can the Plex app stream 4K from my PC?
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I already have a Roamio with a 2 TB drive. Will the new Bolt work together with it and be able to read programs from its drive? I am assuming yes.

Also, can the Plex app stream 4K from my PC?
TiVos with the same MAK, on the same network and on your account should transfer normal programs without problem. Only copy protected items will be blocked.
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I read several articles online about it. I thought it blew up on the INternet over the Summer?

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I got a 4TB drive installed in my Bolt over the weekend. I used the Seagate Backup Plus 4TB USB 3.0 2.5" Portable Hard Drive. Model STDR4000100. Since the external drive is the only way right now to get a 2.5" 4TB drive. So hopefully I don't have any issues with the drive since I wouldn't think it's under warranty any more.

I'm trying to fill it up. So far I'm only close to 60% full. I typically fill up the drive of a TiVo when I install a replacement drive to see how it does. I've been transferring large recordings, like twenty hours, from my PC to teh Bolt. And four and five hour recordings form my Roamios.

The Bolt is certainly much faster with transfers. I've been regularly getting over 300Mb/s transfer rates(as reported by the Bolt in the transfer history) to/from the PC running KMTTG/TiVo Desktop.
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I got a 4TB drive installed in my Bolt over the weekend. I used the Seagate Backup Plus 4TB USB 3.0 2.5" Portable Hard Drive. Model STDR4000100. Since the external drive is the only way right now to get a 2.5" 4TB drive. So hopefully I don't have any issues with the drive since I wouldn't think it's under warranty any more.

I'm trying to fill it up. So far I'm only close to 60% full. I typically fill up the drive of a TiVo when I install a replacement drive to see how it does. I've been transferring large recordings, like twenty hours, from my PC to teh Bolt. And four and five hour recordings form my Roamios.

The Bolt is certainly much faster with transfers. I've been regularly getting over 300Mb/s transfer rates(as reported by the Bolt in the transfer history) to/from the PC running KMTTG/TiVo Desktop.
That's awesome. Please keep us posted.

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Thanks for the info but do you have a source you can post?
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That article has nothing to do with Tivo
Are you talking about VP9 and HEVC decoding in the TiVo? It uses a Broadcom chip. I don't remember which one but it was listed over at TiVo community and it's the one that can only trasncode two streams. And we also know the Bolt can play Netflix 4K content and Youtube 4K content. To play Netflix 4K content you need an HEVC decoder. To play Youtube 4K content you need a VP9 decoder.

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Your question did not appear to have anything to do with TiVo. aaronwt's post was talking about HVEC licensing costs, so it was reasonable to interpret your question as asking for a reference to the cost structure of HVEC.

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Your question did not appear to have anything to do with TiVo. aaronwt's post was talking about HVEC licensing costs, so it was reasonable to interpret your question as asking for a reference to the cost structure of HVEC.
My question originates from the first post:
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Looks very future forward and I'm really loving the fact that it's already future capable with 4K recording capabilities! I've yet to hear, but I'm sure it supports HEVC (H.265).
Which is specific to the Tivo Bolt.

Aaron had already responded he had read it somewhere online, then you posted that random link that not only had nothing to do with the Tivo Bolt but it didn't even mention the decoder or Tivo's revenue model, seeing as it was just a revenue model for HEVC.

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Are you talking about VP9 and HEVC decoding in the TiVo? It uses a Broadcom chip. I don't remember which one but it was listed over at TiVo community and it's the one that can only trasncode two streams. And we also know the Bolt can play Netflix 4K content and Youtube 4K content. To play Netflix 4K content you need an HEVC decoder. To play Youtube 4K content you need a VP9 decoder.
Thanks, I'll research it myself and post the Broadcom chip specs if I come across them.

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I got a 4TB drive installed in my Bolt over the weekend. I used the Seagate Backup Plus 4TB USB 3.0 2.5" Portable Hard Drive. Model STDR4000100. Since the external drive is the only way right now to get a 2.5" 4TB drive. So hopefully I don't have any issues with the drive since I wouldn't think it's under warranty any more.

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The Bolt is certainly much faster with transfers. I've been regularly getting over 300Mb/s transfer rates(as reported by the Bolt in the transfer history) to/from the PC running KMTTG/TiVo Desktop.
Thanks for the info! Do you have any pics of the inside of the Bolt to share? Did you have to do anything special? Hidden screws? Original power supply? Stuff like that!
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Here is a link to the Bolt Upgrade video I watched before I did the upgrade on my Bolt.

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My question originates from the first post:
The second half of aaronwt's post, which you quoted in your post to which I responded, read:
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Since the HEVC group wants 0.5% royalty payments with HEVC usage.(which supposedly would translate to over 100 million a year in royalty payments from many services like Netflix, Amazon, and Facebook) But only time will tell what happens.
The link I provided was not random, but dealt specifically with that part. Since you quoted it, one could easily assume you are asking for a reference to that which you quoted.

I hope you find the information you are actually looking for.
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The second half of aaronwt's post, which you quoted in your post to which I responded, read:

The link I provided was not random, but dealt specifically with that part. Since you quoted it, one could easily assume you are asking for a reference to that which you quoted.

I hope you find the information you are actually looking for.
You jumped in the middle of the conversation and the information that you got was taken out of context as can happen, but if you follow the breadcrumbs from the beginning then I don't think we'll have any more confusion like that. :-)

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I'm not quite sure what 'commercial delayed ' means. Are you saying that if I record a show on the Tivo Bolt on Monday, but don't watch it until Friday (or if I record an entire season of a show and don't start watching them until next summer), that I would not be able to use ComSkip? If that is the case, you are right ... it has little value.
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I'm not quite sure what 'commercial delayed ' means....
He means if your show starts (recording) at 8:00pm, and you start "chase play" watching it at 8:20pm, intending to finish watching it at 9:00pm (when it actually ends), then the automated commercial skip will not be of benefit. You'll still have to skip commercials manually to accomplish what you're trying to do.

The automated commercial skip relies on a "database" created after the show airs, that tells the Bolt where the commercials are and automatically skips them for you. This will probably only be available for popular shows on major networks, and will take some period of time after the show airs to become available.

To anyone interested in a Google Chromebox or Chromebook..
Be aware that these boxes run a variant of Linux and DO NOT support HDCP!!!
This means no support for HD on most streaming services. I wish I would have known this beforehand....

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The automated commercial skip relies on a "database" created after the show airs, that tells the Bolt where the commercials are and automatically skips them for you. This will probably only be available for popular shows on major networks, and will take some period of time after the show airs to become available.
Apparently you still have to push a button at each commercial break. You can't just set it to auto skip for the whole program.

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