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New SiliconDust HDHR All-in-One DVRs

Just saw the announcement from SD about their latest units available for pre-order. There may have already been a post about these when they were showed at the last CES so consider this an update. They have the HDHR Scribe Duo for $199.099 and the Scribe Quatro for $249.99, each with 1TB of capacity. The Duo is a Best Buy exclusive and can only be purchased through them. They also offer a 2TB storage add-on for $149.99. These are all OTA products. More info can be found here:

https://shop.silicondust.com/shop/pr...gory/hardware/

I'm not sure what's happening with their Premium TV service, but the last I heard was that they had to shut it down because of an injunction filed against them. I don't know the details or what the current status is, but SD contends that they jumped through all the proper hoops to get the content from the providers so we'll just have to wait until the dust settles to see what's what.

Considering that you can already use a HDHR OTA tuner with any PC, these are clearly aimed at customers that want a plug and play appliance and not a HTPC. The website says the units will be available for shipping by June 30th, but knowing SD that probably means we'll see them six months from now if we're lucky.
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I like it, not for me but nice to see them put out a standalone box. Now if they could just release that six tuner Prime they have been promising...

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I'm not sure what's happening with their Premium TV service, but the last I heard was that they had to shut it down because of an injunction filed against them. I don't know the details or what the current status is, but SD contends that they jumped through all the proper hoops to get the content from the providers so we'll just have to wait until the dust settles to see what's what.
I’m pretty sure they were using Omniverse as the upstream provider, and it sounds like Omniverse is done for all practical purposes, for now at least. See the most recent posts here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-ne...l#post58150102 for more details.

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I like it, not for me but nice to see them put out a standalone box. Now if they could just release that six tuner Prime they have been promising...
Yeah, me too. I’m not using cable for TV service at the moment, but I used a pair of 3-tuner Primes for about 6 years. The only thing keeping me from selling them on eBay is uncertainty whether I could replace them later on if we ever chose to go back to cable (assuming I could stomach a cable TV contract again).

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It's good to see SD get into more direct competition with AirTV, Amazon, and Tablo. A few minor downsides to note:

  1. Unlike the AirTV BB or Amazon Recast, the Scribe's DVR service isn't free. It's inexpensive, though: it's the same $35/year as needed for their DVR service through a PC - and the first year is included in the box purchase price.
  2. As with other HDHRs and Amazon's Recast, the Scribe doesn't seem to support Rokus.
  3. $149 is way too much for 2TB more storage. I wonder if you can substitute your own HDD, or if SD has the Scribes "locked down" somehow so that only their own HDD will work with them.

Other than those worries, though, I like these new Scribe DVRs.
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Q Q: Will these new Scribe models transcode? I've read that there's a new beta Roku app for HDHRs, but I assume it only works on HDHR models that transcode, since Rokus don't support the MPEG-2 codec used by OTA TV. That would address my #2 concern above.
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Q Q: Will these new Scribe models transcode? I've read that there's a new beta Roku app for HDHRs, but I assume it only works on HDHR models that transcode, since Rokus don't support the MPEG-2 codec used by OTA TV. That would address my #2 concern above.

The Roku HD Homerun beta app is pretty rough; it only streams live OTA TV, and can't control any pause, record, or playback functions. LonTV did a review of it:



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OK, so if I understood the video correctly, the change is with the newer Rokus. The video didn't mention it, but the last MPEG-2 patents finally ran out last year. The video did say it worked with all currently shipping Rokus, so presumably those all support MPEG-2 now. Thus you don't need an HDHR that transcodes to use the new app.

It loaded onto my Roku just fine, and it did download my channel list from my HDHR, but nothing seems to play. I suspect my Roku and/or HDHRs are too old to work with it.

BTW, the app's interface reminds me somewhat of the original Sling TV app, with a row of channels and another row showing the current and upcoming programs on the channel currently selected. (Of course Sling TV is a streaming service, so on most channels you could scroll backward in the list of programs and watch a program that had already aired. That obviously isn't possible with OTA TV.)
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Sounds like if you buy the quad (great deal at bb today), and $35/yr DVR subscription, you get Tablo like experience. 14 day guide. I have Tablo dual, but this looks like a bargain! I have very recent Roku Ultras, I would expect it to work with it.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/silicondust-hdhomerun-connect-quatro-tuner-free-live-ota-tv-black/6079602.p?skuId=6079602
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I've been heavily invested in TiVo for many years and know little about these other products. However, it seems like HDHR is now offering an "all in one" solution whereby I could get something I've been interested in for a while. And that is, the ability to integrate two separate attic antennas (facing different directions - with their own respective downlead wires into the home). I've never had this ability on a single TV; and it's always meant compromises with reception on a single TV! So I am intrigued by this feature of the HDHR (it's ability to network more than one separate tuner box) along with the fact that it's now got on board storage for DVR.

But since I've currently only got Rokus (would the purchase of Fire sticks (or similar) be my only other investment besides the purchase of the Scribes)? Obviously, (for my needs) I'd need two HDHR tuners to serve each of my separate antennas in the attic, but not necessarily two "Scribe" models. Another question: does anyone know how future proof any of these devices are now days? In other words, if ATSC 3.0 catches on in a couple of years, is it likely that HDHR would offer some sort of adapter as TiVo is (supposedly) promising for their current Bolt addition? And is HDHR the only one out there offering this solution of "marrying" two separate tuners (from two entirely separate antennas) into a single TV Guide/Grid lineup? If they are - I would think they've certainly got a niche market there. And what about the guide view of HDHR? Does it have good integration of streaming services (along with the OTA) for services like Prime or Netflix? Whatever the case, I suppose people like the grid, and HDHR in general, since it has been around for a long time. And now SD seems to be jumping on board with more of an "all in one" device.

If I ever go this route, there would be some expense in changing out my current equipment. But the good news is the fact that my whole home is hard wired for networking. So that part is easy!

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I've been heavily invested in TiVo for many years and know little about these other products. However, it seems like HDHR is now offering an "all in one" solution whereby I could get something I've been interested in for a while. And that is, the ability to integrate two separate attic antennas (facing different directions - with their own respective downlead wires into the home). I've never had this ability on a single TV; and it's always meant compromises with reception on a single TV! So I am intrigued by this feature of the HDHR (it's ability to network more than one separate tuner box) along with the fact that it's now got on board storage for DVR.

Have you tried combining the two antenna leads using a splitter/combiner? I have a similar setup in my home as I am right in between Baltimore and Washington and use two separate antennas facing in opposite directions. I have the two antennas combined into a single coax down lead to my tuners. Works just fine.


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But since I've currently only got Rokus (would the purchase of Fire sticks (or similar) be my only other investment besides the purchase of the Scribes)? Obviously, (for my needs) I'd need two HDHR tuners to serve each of my separate antennas in the attic, but not necessarily two "Scribe" models. Another question: does anyone know how future proof any of these devices are now days? In other words, if ATSC 3.0 catches on in a couple of years, is it likely that HDHR would offer some sort of adapter as TiVo is (supposedly) promising for their current Bolt addition? And is HDHR the only one out there offering this solution of "marrying" two separate tuners (from two entirely separate antennas) into a single TV Guide/Grid lineup? If they are - I would think they've certainly got a niche market there. And what about the guide view of HDHR? Does it have good integration of streaming services (along with the OTA) for services like Prime or Netflix? Whatever the case, I suppose people like the grid, and HDHR in general, since it has been around for a long time. And now SD seems to be jumping on board with more of an "all in one" device.

If I ever go this route, there would be some expense in changing out my current equipment. But the good news is the fact that my whole home is hard wired for networking. So that part is easy!

Future-proofing is an urban myth. Anything you buy today is essentially obsolete the minute you take it off the shelf.
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Have you tried combining the two antenna leads using a splitter/combiner? I have a similar setup in my home as I am right in between Baltimore and Washington and use two separate antennas facing in opposite directions. I have the two antennas combined into a single coax down lead to my tuners. Works just fine.

Future-proofing is an urban myth. Anything you buy today is essentially obsolete the minute you take it off the shelf.
I have tried combining two antennas (in the attic) into one downlead. It "does" work to some extent. However, each antenna does lose some of it's signal strength; and so it can sometimes be problematic with any stations that are near the digital cliff, whereas dedicated antennas don't have that same loss. The other option (of course) - is just to split the difference when aiming a single antenna between any "two" antenna farm locations... and "hope" the signal loss is not too great. I've played with that stuff a lot - and there's always some sort of compromise.

Having said all of that, I am now starting to think (today) that I may hold off on this idea of changing from TiVo to HDHR (at least for now). It would mean buying entirely new equipment (not to mention that HDHR support for Rokus is only in beta stage right now). And my house is full of Rokus! And as you say, future proofing is an urban myth. Everything is always considered the latest and greatest until you buy it. Then suddenly there is something better!

But I will be interested to see what happens with ATSC 3.0 in 2020 and beyond. For now, (since I'm already so invested in TiVo) I will probably stick with my TiVos (Premiere and Roamio) as stated. We'll see what happens with the TV repacks along with possible ATSC 3.0 tuners next year and beyond. But for others just getting into OTA, I think the new "Scribe" model of HDHR looks very interesting, especially with it's ability to network two completely separate antennas (with their own downlead wiring) all into a single Guide lineup over the home network. I am not sure if any competitor is currently offering this particular feature.

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