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post #1 of 20 Old 02-05-2020, 07:44 PM - Thread Starter
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New speaker design update

As I have discussed previously in our subwoofer thread I have been working with a company in china to supply a variety of designs. One of the primary goals is to alleviate current production bottle-necks---specifically the ability to finish cabinets in our "satin black".

Originally I was going to start with two subs. A small sealed 12 inch and a larger vented 18. I'm about done with the sealed 12 now. But I've decided on a complete re-design for the larger vented 18. So that won't be ready to go into production until the second shipment from china. In its place, I may go with a variation on our MT110, MT110sur, and MTM210 speakers(no towers initially). I have been evaluating all three of the above with a variety of lower cost tweeter and woofer options. Long story short---I'm not loving the performance compromises inherent to the lower cost stuff. It could just be misguided pride to some degree but it is difficult for me to say "meh, this is good enough for the price point". At least it is difficult when our current speaker designs have been garnering universal praise for years now.

So now I'm working out the logistics of it all. Instead of the speakers being made in china I'm now leaning towards us continuing to do all of the assembly here in Ohio. And we'll use the exact same woofer, tweeter, and tweeter horn as well. The good news is that ensures identical performance to current speaker models. And it also ensures current QC standards remain on site. Nothing against anyone else but assembling it all here, measuring every speaker before final QC, it just lets us all here sleep a little better. The bad news is cost of course.

My original goal was $399-449 per 110 and $499-549 per 210. That's not going to happen now. I can't say where we'll end up for sure yet but 499(110) and 599(210) would be best case.

Anyway, I just want to keep everyone in the loop. I still have some decisions ahead of me regarding all of this.

And nothing will be shipping for 14-18 weeks so please don't start emailing me about a "pre order" or anything like that..

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And nothing will be shipping for 14-18 weeks so please don't start emailing me about a "pre order" or anything like that..
Is this just in reference to the speaker designs you're working on... or the 12" sub (that is nearing completion) as well?

The 12 inch sealed sub is pretty much done. I'm just experimenting a little with the DSP to find the optimal balance for sound quality purposes. On the component level side it's all done except for a couple minor choices still to figure out. Again, nothing major. Stuff like the style of speaker level input connectors. Believe it or not I bet 10-15% of potential buyers on this that have contacted me need those. The only other decision would be finish option. Going with 50/50 black ash or matte....or 100% of one.


But, specific to your question---all of the above(speakers and little 12 sub) won't be here in Ohio and shipping to new customers for 14-18 weeks.

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We're close to finished with the details now. I know the process may seem relatively simple but man, there's dozens of little details we have to check, re-check, and then FINAL check. The last thing we want is ordering 100-200 of each and then getting them with something minor "off"---even slightly. Ugh.

Every. Little. Detail.

Same with the 12 inch sealed sub.

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We're close to finished with the details now. I know the process may seem relatively simple but man, there's dozens of little details we have to check, re-check, and then FINAL check. The last thing we want is ordering 100-200 of each and then getting them with something minor "off"---even slightly. Ugh.

Every. Little. Detail.

Same with the 12 inch sealed sub.

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I know this thread is nearly dead but with you starting to get Chinese subwoofer cabinets is there any update on the Chinese cabinet speakers?
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I know this thread is nearly dead but with you starting to get Chinese subwoofer cabinets is there any update on the Chinese cabinet speakers?
I'm hoping to hear back from them any day now. I'm getting(air shipping in) 7(?) different cabinets that, fingers crossed, should be final approval samples. Once approved, 10-11 weeks to get to Ohio.

3 Speakers, mt110, mt110sur, mtm210. The rest are subwoofers.

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I know this thread is nearly dead but with you starting to get Chinese subwoofer cabinets is there any update on the Chinese cabinet speakers?
I'm hoping to hear back from them any day now. I'm getting(air shipping in) 7(?) different cabinets that, fingers crossed, should be final approval samples. Once approved, 10-11 weeks to get to Ohio.

3 Speakers, mt110, mt110sur, mtm210. The rest are subwoofers.

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Any new information on the new speakers? Just curious ballpark estimate for availability for preorder. I’m so happy with my subwoofer rearrangement that I’m prioritizing new speakers now.

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Any new information on the new speakers? Just curious ballpark estimate for availability for preorder. I’m so happy with my subwoofer rearrangement that I’m prioritizing new speakers now.
We just received(Friday) what I hope is the final samples for approval for all three. MTM210, MT110, MT110surround.

Everything looks good but I want to wait until tomorrow to get the shop manager eyes on it again to be sure I'm not missing anything small.

I it all is approved it would be second half of Sept,. for shipping from us to end user. So maybe second half of august to start pre orders.

I'd say 525(110) and 625(210) for pre orders. But that is subject to a wide variety of influences.

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We just received(Friday) what I hope is the final samples for approval for all three. MTM210, MT110, MT110surround.

Everything looks good but I want to wait until tomorrow to get the shop manager eyes on it again to be sure I'm not missing anything small.

I it all is approved it would be second half of Sept,. for shipping from us to end user. So maybe second half of august to start pre orders.

I'd say 525(110) and 625(210) for pre orders. But that is subject to a wide variety of influences.

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Sounds perfect! Hopefully I’ll have the funds available in time!

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That price for the 210 is insane! Even if it ends up being a little higher I think I’m going to go for them! I’m happy with my subs and I can wait to upgrade them much later. I love my NHT speakers but I’ve wanted to upgrade to these for years now!

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That price for the 210 is insane! Even if it ends up being a little higher I think I’m going to go for them! I’m happy with my subs and I can wait to upgrade them much later. I love my NHT speakers but I’ve wanted to upgrade to these for years now!
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too late!

j/k.

I basically run through a myriad of costing and logistics every night to relax while trying to sleep.

Barring a sudden surprise I think the 625-650 range for the 210 is solid---for pre orders.

After that, we'll see. it is an unusual predicament. The whole point of the cabinets off shore is to compete with an existing product lineup to help minimize the current production bottle necks.

Once this is all shipping then I need to decide which way to go. Smaller, cheaper...or much larger, 2-3x the cost? Or both? I don't have the time for both to be honest. I have so many other subwoofer designs demanding attention simultaneously. So I think maybe smaller and cheaper.

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too late!

j/k.

I basically run through a myriad of costing and logistics every night to relax while trying to sleep. Barring a sudden surprise I think the 625-650 range for the 210 is solid---for pre orders.

After that, we'll see. it is an unusual predicament. The whole point of the cabinets off shore is to compete with an existing product lineup to help minimize the current production bottle necks.

Once this is all shipping then I need to decide which way to go. Smaller, cheaper...or much larger, 2-3x the cost? Or both? I don't have the time for both to be honest. I have so many other subwoofer designs demanding attention simultaneously. So I think maybe smaller and cheaper.

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Well I’m sold! I hate that I missed the preorder price for the TV18 but I’m not going to miss this!
Besides it just makes more sense for me to finally upgrade my 25! year old NHT speakers before my 5 year old subs that still make me grin every time I listen to them.

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Well I’m sold! I hate that I missed the preorder price for the TV18 but I’m not going to miss this!
Besides it just makes more sense for me to finally upgrade my 25! year old NHT speakers before my 5 year old subs that still make me grin every time I listen to them.
I'd guess they will all be popular but only one way to find out. Some of the stuff I think "meh, we will do okay" ends up being incredible high sales---like the tv18 options.

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Well I’️m sold! I hate that I missed the preorder price for the TV18 but I’️m not going to miss this!
Besides it just makes more sense for me to finally upgrade my 25! year old NHT speakers before my 5 year old subs that still make me grin every time I listen to them.
I'd guess they will all be popular but only one way to find out. Some of the stuff I think "meh, we will do okay" ends up being incredible high sales---like the tv18 options.

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When can we see a picture of the final finish?
It is the matte finish I have posted previously. here are two shots compared to our Ohio spray finish.

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Any updates on the 12” sealed “value” subwoofer?
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Any updates on the 12” sealed “value” subwoofer?
I just approved the three speaker samples.

I have three or four subwoofer cabinets arriving within a week(ish) for final approval(hopefully). The small sealed 12 is included.

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Still thinking August for the speaker preorder?
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