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Kain 03-23-2015 01:46 PM

Why do some movies get better with age?
 
One example I can think of is House of 1000 Corpses. When it first came out, I wan't a big fan of the movie. If I watch is again today, I really like it. :confused:

Does nostalgia have something to do with this?

Tack 03-23-2015 02:21 PM

I can think of a few reasons and they don't have everything to do with age as in multiple years.

One, wrong mood/distracted during the first viewing.

Two, knowing you didn't like it the first time drastically lowers your expectations, creating a lower standard which becomes easier to match or surpass.

Three, initial expectations too high. This happens to me when I watch too many trailers or "cant wait" for a movie to come out.

In your case, 1k Corpses is ~11 years old. You could have some combination of the above or you may be a slightly different person than you were back then. We all change as we grow older, but sometimes it's so slowly that we don't notice it as it's happening. Maybe it's a positive mile marker for you. :)

thedeskE 03-23-2015 03:16 PM

For me, almost all Kubrick films were much better after a little age and more important, my ability to
slow down to the pace and really take it in.

A few drama/actions hit well after a 2nd/3rd view. It happens and it's a very nice
surprise when it does ;)

darthrsg 03-23-2015 04:14 PM

With age comes experience. The Road, for example. I read it before I had kids and could taste the ash in the air. Watching the movie post kids and the definition of the word harrowing became super clear.

Another one or two would be Robocop and Starship Troopers. As a young dude I was all about the guns guns guns and bitc hes leaving. As an adult the complex role of the military industrial complex comes into view and helps propel the movie to a higher tier. Similarly, the media portrayal in ST was over my head as a young viewer but as a wiser adult it's dead on in exposing the propaganda we are exposed to as well as being somewhat prophetic in our consumption. "Would you like to know more?"

cargo1 03-24-2015 03:15 PM

I think expectation of a movie is quite important as well. When you rewatch something your expectation of it is different. You know what you will get and change your criteria for viewing accordingly as opposed to going into a movie expecting one thing and getting another. Sometimes i will evaluate a movie with the pre expectation and not like it but once ive changed it and watch again i can like it.

Kilgore 03-26-2015 08:49 AM

The more I become who I am, the less I am who I was.

iamian 03-26-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilgore (Post 32953529)
The more I become who I am, the less I am who I was.

When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.

tezster 03-26-2015 12:07 PM

The way I see it, the human brain is very efficient at filtering out extraneous information. Over time, it becomes easy to gloss over certain passages you may not like, and concentrate on the ones you enjoy. Conversely, there are occasions when it also works the other way i.e. where a single bad scene increasingly annoys you the more you watch it. For me, the scene in Gravity where
Spoiler!
is one such scene: it has become so unbearable to watch, that I'm compelled to skip that part of the film to make the overall experience more enjoyable.

thedeskE 03-26-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tezster (Post 32960953)
is one such scene: it has become so unbearable to watch, that I'm compelled to skip that part of the film to make the overall experience more enjoyable.

It's more enjoyable to never watch again IMO, but people tend to forgive stupid SHT in films cause they would prefer to watch a film, even though Lollywood stopped makin' Em a long time ago ... Lal Lal

darthrsg 03-26-2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tezster (Post 32960953)
The way I see it, the human brain is very efficient at filtering out extraneous information. Over time, it becomes easy to gloss over certain passages you may not like, and concentrate on the ones you enjoy. Conversely, there are occasions when it also works the other way i.e. where a single bad scene increasingly annoys you the more you watch it. For me, the scene in Gravity where
Spoiler!
is one such scene: it has become so unbearable to watch, that I'm compelled to skip that part of the film to make the overall experience more enjoyable.

I feel you. The agenda of gravity in Gravity is a real bummer for me. I pretty much eject it when the station shatters.

breezy2012 03-26-2015 10:03 PM

I sat through some of the Stiller/Wilson movies in bored silence when they first come they've definitely aged well for me. When I see Zoolander or (especially) Starsky and Hutch now I frequently laugh out loud. Something about me has changed for the better, or worse.

I was too young to appreciate The Big Lebowski when I first saw it but now that the age gap between me and the dude is shrinking I adore that flick more and more. It's working its way into my top ten.

NorthSky 03-26-2015 10:23 PM

It's not the (some) movies that get better with age, it's us (some).
And because we (some) get better with age, we appreciate the movies (some) better.

MovieSwede 03-26-2015 10:55 PM

We should also remember that some movies comes before their time.


Blade runner came in the golden days of Star wars and had Harrison Ford in the lead. The audience wasnt ready for it.

NorthSky 03-27-2015 04:06 PM

...Same with 'Planet of the Apes'.

darthrsg 03-27-2015 05:38 PM

Another recent flick that isn't really great but I think the central idea will age well is The Purge. It is possibly this generation's They Live, although most from my age would say otherwise.

thedeskE 03-27-2015 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MovieSwede (Post 32977089)

Blade runner came in the golden days of Star wars and had Harrison Ford in the lead. The audience wasnt ready for it.

It was indeed out of place in a sense for the moment. Didn't last long, as it lived well past the crap that was in release at the time.

sb1 03-27-2015 06:08 PM

"Why do some movies get better with age?"

Because we're stupid and forget how crappy the movie was.

STEELERSRULE 03-27-2015 06:13 PM

I agree with most of the posters here who feel that "YOU", the individual" change, not the movies. And that is a really good thing, if you think about it.

Could you imagine being the same person you were 20-25 years ago. I am 42 and am in no way shape(physical wreck :))
or form(mentally) am I the same person.

And if you have lived as long as I have, and you still are the same person, I am sorry, but that is pretty PATHETIC.

And I really mean that.

I heard an interview with Brian Cranston on Howard Stern about 6-7 months ago. He was back at his H School reunion, or something of that ilk. And that very statement was posed to him by a classmate he had not seen in 25 years, or longer. And his response was "Well, of course I've changed. Haven't you?!" He felt it was a pretty dumb statement, and I have too agree.

There was A LOT more to the answer than just that, but that pretty much sums it up.

So, NO, movies do not get better, or worse with age/time. Your sensibilities change. You as a person GROW UP. And different experiences make you 1000 X different than what you were 20 yrs ago or longer.

That IS the answer.

sb1 03-27-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by STEELERSRULE (Post 33000857)

Could you imagine being the same person you were 20-25 years ago. I am 42 and am in no way shape(physical wreck :))
or form(mentally) am I the same person.

I'm about to be 42 in a matter of days. I'm probably in my best shape physically, but mentally I'm a little off and basically an aspiring alcoholic. Just lack commitment. I'm trying, though.

This topic is interesting because it makes me wonder why some movies don't change for us over the span of decades, when others do. And I hate that I won't get to see Keisel on the field anymore.

Kilgore 03-27-2015 07:00 PM

I think that of all filmmakers in history, Stanley Kubrick stands out as a director whose films ALL improve with age. Most of his films have been relatively panned at first, only later to be recognized as classic masterworks. Barry Lyndon is one of his greatest films, IMHO, yet it had a lukewarm reception on release. The Shining, recognized now as a horror classic, had a lukewarm reception. Eyes Wide Shut had a lukewarm reception, yet for me has improved with age.

NorthSky 03-27-2015 07:22 PM

John Wick will age nicely. :)

'Interstellar' should age nicely too.

... 'Insomnia' ...The original, and Nolan's remake.

But it's true; it's us first who age nicely and finally recognize and appreciate the great films for their true value, and all the bad ones for all the bad in men (and there are many of them, tons and tons; the very bad worst ones ever to face the surface of this planet).

There is one great film for one thousand atrocious ones. ...And that is quite an accurate assessment.

Dude111 03-28-2015 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sb1
This topic is interesting because it makes me wonder why some movies don't change for us over the span of decades, when others do. And I hate that I won't get to see Keisel on the field anymore.

 
Well YOUR PERCEPTION of what you like doesnt have to change!

I still like the same movies i did in the 80s! :)

darthrsg 03-28-2015 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 33006361)
 
Well YOUR PERCEPTION of what you like doesnt have to change!

I still like the same movies i did in the 80s! :)

Which begs another topic of discussion, the media you're exposed to as a kid is YOUR media and YOUR nostalgia. It builds your taste as you go on. Sadly the kids who got Duck Tales and Power Rangers have been screwed over and really every generation since.

thedeskE 03-28-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilgore (Post 33002041)
I think that of all filmmakers in history, Stanley Kubrick stands out as a director whose films ALL improve with age. Most of his films have been relatively panned at first, only later to be recognized as classic masterworks. Barry Lyndon is one of his greatest films, IMHO, yet it had a lukewarm reception on release. The Shining, recognized now as a horror classic, had a lukewarm reception. Eyes Wide Shut had a lukewarm reception, yet for me has improved with age.

Funny, Barry Lyndon was a work of art that no-one could get unless you were willing
to slow down to a pace unheard of in our time. The film is waiting on you to calm down before you can take it in (my best analogy) or it's just bores you to death ;)

Had this discussion with a few Kubrick watchers and we all agree, you must be in the right mood to consider taking it in with full effect. If you can go there, it quite a nice experience.

NorthSky 03-28-2015 05:33 PM

I remember my first girlfriend; she hasn't aged too nicely. ...She's 69 today.

xvfx 03-28-2015 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilgore (Post 33002041)
I think that of all filmmakers in history, Stanley Kubrick stands out as a director whose films ALL improve with age. Eyes Wide Shut had a lukewarm reception, yet for me has improved with age.

I never saw that until a few years ago. I found it strangely fascinating yet eerie.

Creepy soundtrack.


darthrsg 03-28-2015 06:30 PM

You Kubrick watchers ever see Lords of Salem? In the horror space it was covered in mixed reviews but for those among us who "got" it we've said it will go down as a cult classic that will be rediscovered down the road and hailed.

sb1 03-28-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by darthrsg (Post 33025369)
it was covered in mixed reviews.

Which means jack sh*t.

darthrsg 03-28-2015 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sb1 (Post 33025729)
Which means jack sh*t.

Some angles were valid in terms of accessibility BUT many just can't handle it when something isn't for them (it's really ok). Like the mass of people clamoring for high minded, non hand holding, sci fi (or whatever genre) movies that do nothing but complain when one actually comes along.

MrBobb 03-28-2015 07:51 PM

I thought you were going to say, "the colors look actually richer" and the sound... something am noticing wasn't there before!" :)


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