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post #181 of 190 Old 03-24-2019, 11:26 AM
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It just might be my favorite DeNiro performance of all. lol. Seriously, he should have won the Oscar for it or at least been nominated for one.
Agreed. I love the scene where Ordell scolds Louis who is on the phone while stoned. Watching him untwist the phone cord before hanging up is such an understated scene of pure hilarity. A master at work.
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Se7en (1995), directed by David Fincher.

The City is entirely evil here, with no redeeming features, apart from its large library. Where you can look up evil things.

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This is my favorite line from the entire thread. Not even the library is safe from evil...

It is one of my favorite scenes in the movie, helped by the fact that it's set to Bach's Suite No. 3 (Air), which is a perfect accompaniment IMO. I like how many of your reviews capture the context of your viewing of it. Memories of the Grand Theatre in Des Moines with notes on the context of the time (fashion, music, etc) do well to frame how a movie is received. That context is so important to understanding how opinions are formed.

That's very likely why I'll always have a soft spot for Se7en. My initial viewing came in a large theater in my hometown (Camden, SC, the state's oldest inland city). I think it was an old performance space (stage plays) that was converted into a movie theater. I was there, at 16 years of age with my best friend and no one else in the cavernous space. So consider the content and style of the movie being absorbed by an impressionable 16 year old, small town southern bumpkin. I was an easy mark so to speak. Then, of course, as we left the theater, a sunny afternoon had transitioned into a rainy night. I'm sure that didn't help either, subconsciously at least.

I still really like the movie and it's my favorite of Fincher's, but I also don't think it would have made such an imprint on my psyche had I experienced it as a more well-traveled adult.
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Eyes Wide Shut, by Cubric
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What else should we need&
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Eyes Wide Shut, by Cubric
Perfect Nicole
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Is Cubric a parallel-universe version of Kubrick who has embraced cubism? Should make for some interesting imagery.
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The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain (1995), written and directed by Christopher Monger.

British government surveyors enter Wales during WW1. There are worse places to be in 1917. When villagers are told that their local mountain will be reclassified as a "hill" if it measures less than 1000 feet high, they respond with shock and outrage. Having a mountain is a point of civic pride.

Maybe if they can keep the visitors in town long enough -- sabotage their car, hide the trains -- they can make adjustments to the terrain of Ffynnon Garw, just enough to put it over the limit. The younger of the two surveyors, recovering from shell shock, knows what is going on and doesn't mind at all. Especially after meeting Miss Elizabeth, also known as "Betty from Cardiff" depending on how she is dressed.

This is a sweet tale, told as a story that has already passed into legend, but still within living memory, if that is possible. Sweet enough to be cloying in spots, but let that go. Not as wacky as Local Hero (1983) but with the same type of charm.

Not an ambitious film, but I wanted to see Hugh Grant and Tara Fitzgerald again after Sirens (1994), made the previous year. He had by then perfected his shy stammering Englishman persona, and she had an inviting, impossibly wide smile.

Also with Ian McNeice (Year of the Comet (1992), Edge of Darkness (1985)) and Colm Meaney (Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) as "Morgan the Goat", the lecherous pub owner. Lots of red-haired babies being born when the other men are away at war.

I also want to point out Ian Hart (The End of the Affair (1999)) as "Johnny Shellshocked" who had a bad war in France. The war intrudes in other ways: the nation needs extra coal and the Welsh supply it, a dangerous trade. People die on the homefront, too.

Lyrical score.

Available on DVD and on some Blu-ray imports which I haven't seen. My old DVD is non-anamorphic, sad treatment for a scope ratio title. I see what look like later DVD releases but don't know about their encoding.



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Michael Collins (1996), written and directed by Neil Jordan.

A rich-looking, meticulous reproduction of the time and place, the presentation of a short violent life: national hero to the Irish Republicans, terrorist to the Unionists, a complex and mysterious character to just about everyone.

It is a history of an exceptionally vicious conflict, told from the Irish Republican point of view. I'm sure other stories could be told. (For an amused, more jaundiced review, see Mark Steyn's Michael Collins). The director admits the historical inaccuracies, but says that is inevitable in any film. He doesn't try to excuse his own national bias: not worth discussing, I suppose.

Liam Neeson plays Collins as remembered by the people who knew him: larger than life, funny and profane, skilled in the creation of "mayhem", his word for assassinations and guerrilla warfare. People still wonder: did he like the killing too much? Was it even necessary, or could independence have been achieved by other means?

Alan Rickman plays Éamon de Valera with schoolmasterly intensity. Jordan says his screenplay is not very kind to de Valera, but "the film chooses its own villain". He wished he could have found some way of showing other sides to an admittedly devious politician who was an Irish statesman for many decades afterwards.

The love triangle with characters played by Julia Roberts and Aidan Quinn is true history. And she really was buying her wedding dress on the day Collins was killed.

This happened after the Irish War of Independence (more like gangland warfare) had been won. The Irish broke into factions and fought the short sharp Irish Civil War. Collins was killed by his enemies -- former comrades -- in that fighting.

(As an aside, analysis I saw a while ago: revolutionary movements are often broad diverse fronts, but are usually taken over by the most extreme, ideologically disciplined faction. That was the case in the French Revolution, in Russia, Spain, Nicaragua. The other supporters of the revolution are then suppressed or eliminated. The Irish Civil War is a counter-example. The pro-Treaty faction was the more moderate group and they annihilated the radicals. Collins was killed but his side won).

The film received great support from the city of Dublin and the original buildings and rooms were used when possible. Despite the violence the film was given a softer rating so children could see it for its historical value.

Julia Roberts sings She Moved Through The Fair, later reprised by Sinéad O'Connor and incorporated into the score.

I had not appreciated Elliot Goldenthal's fine score until I heard it again while listening to the Blu-ray commentary track separately.

Photographed by Chris Menges (The Mission (1986)).

Available on Blu-ray from Warner Archive. The director's commentary was recorded 20 years after the film was made. He says he wrote the screenplay 20 years before that.

His own view of Collins is more dispassionate and critical than one might suspect. A lesson we should all remember: the story the author writes does not necessarily represent the author's opinion.



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Alien 3 (1992), directed by David Fincher.

It is an old dilemma: when working with a series or within a film genre, do you make more of the same or try something new? You can't please everyone. Especially the fans.

With the "Alien" series the producers definitely went with the something different each time approach, using different directors and writers for each film. The results:

  • Alien (1979): landmark SF/horror, my favorite!
  • Aliens (1986): action/survival sequel.
  • Alien 3 (1992): medieval-themed despair.
  • Alien Resurrection (1997): (let me watch it again before commenting...)

No one seemed very happy with the third entry at the time. The problems:

  • It is a direct sequel to Aliens (1986) but fan favorites Newt, Hicks and Bishop are smashed corpses. Instant disappointment, if dramatically bold.
  • The ex-prison colony of XYY violent sex-offenders turned into a monkish religious order is an interesting idea, but...
  • ...it is sometimes hard to keep these shaven-headed characters straight.
  • ...and as in Carpenter's The Thing (1982), when there is no trust or camaraderie among the characters then there is no hope. We are done before we begin.
  • The industrial settings of the earlier films tended toward the bleak, but this goes way beyond that. They have nothing colorful or comforting.
  • Ripley is tired, giving up. We hate to see that.
  • The filmmakers have a vision that drains excitement and a sense of wonder from the story.
  • The alien does much murder but is just not as scary or dreadful as before.
  • On first viewing I was confused as to how many aliens were loose in the complex. You'd think only one, but the life cycle has been different in each film and I thought they might be trying something new.
  • It is set in a lead foundry. I can accept a lot but interstellar trade in lead sheeting seems extra stupid to me.
  • I was totally lost in the last act with the charging about in the maze of tunnels to trap the creature and kill it. We are given no sense of the geography of the complex.
  • Ripley's final sacrifice is done to a triumphant anthem in the score. That's just wrong. It should have been more poignant, a tragic conclusion.

In my first viewing of the 2003 re-edit (the "Assembly Cut") I remember thinking it started and ran quite a bit better than the theatrical version, until that last confused act of running around in the foundry maze, which was just as confusing as before. Now after a rewatch: I begin to like it more and it seems less eccentric, more mainstream SF/horror than before, if still unfortunate in some of the plot and tonal choices.

The theatrical cut seemed like a blunt abortion metaphor: Ripley is forced to bear a monster child for the damned patriarchal Company. You can find hints of this in the other films of the series; it seems toned down in the re-cut. It helps that they omit the bit where her unholy monster-child bursts from her chest as she falls to her death. That was strange and out of place.

I also appreciate the craftsmanship and cinematography of the production more now. The film is so dark it pays to watch it on a bright panel.

A lot of familiar faces in the British crew, all bald. This is one of Charles Dance's more humane roles; usually he is rigid and severe.

Photographed by Alex Thomson (Excalibur (1981), Legend (1985), Labyrinth (1986)). Score by Elliot Goldenthal (Michael Collins (1996)).

Available on Blu-ray. My thumbnails are from the "2003 Special Edition" cut in the "Alien Anthology" box-set.

Part of the gang commentary track is from the theatrical release version and doesn't quite fit. They all praise young David Fincher and say he did a good job directing his first feature film. He has renounced the project did not participate in the Assembly Cut or home video extras.

It was a "troubled" production, implying a world of hurt, although the commentators say it was a happy shoot. They are proud of the practical effects and pre-digital filming.

Finally, according to the wikipedia, research on XYY syndrome is somewhat contentious but there does not seem to be a correlation with aggression or sexual violence, however useful that might be to screenwriters.



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I've always liked Alien 3. I saw it twice opening weekend. I appreciate its nihilism and fearlessness in stripping away everything fans expected from a sequel to Aliens.

I have mixed feelings about the Assembly Cut. Although certain portions of it better flesh out the world or the characters, the opening of the theatrical cut is much more effective and suspenseful with its rapid cuts and streamlined exposition. The Assembly Cut feels like an early edit (which it was) that hasn't been refined or finalized yet.

Personally, I don't feel that the Assembly Cut adds anything that should dramatically change someone's opinion of the movie. When I hear people say, "I hated the theatrical cut, but the longer cut is so much better!", what I really think is happening is that watching the movie again gave them an opportunity to re-evaluate it, and being a different version let them open their minds to the possibility that they might not hate it this time.
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I’d have to go back to AlienTheory on YouTube, but I thought he said that someone made a graphic novel adaptation (?) of William Gibson’s original, discarded script for Alien3. I have the script on an old HDD, but never finished it.

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I’d have to go back to AlienTheory on YouTube, but I thought he said that someone made a graphic novel adaptation (?) of William Gibson’s original, discarded script for Alien3. I have the script on an old HDD, but never finished it.

Apparently so.


https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/William_Gibson%27s_Alien_3


https://www.amazon.com/William-Gibso.../dp/1506708110

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