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does he really need to film 4 Avatar movies concurrently?...seems like a huge undertaking...I'm sad that Cameron will be devoting the rest of his life to Avatar and we won't be getting anything else from him...his Battle Angel Alita project is being directed by Robert Rodriguez
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For a move which fits nicely right between Sharknado and Starship Troopers, it still wobbles my mind what everyone loved about it. It was pretty bad from beginning to end. Predictable, CGI-ey, and worst of all laden with agenda. Am I missing something?
What theater did you see it in ? This film raised the 3D bar and then some. Story was secondary, there haven't been any new stories since ancient Greece.

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Story was secondary, there haven't been any new stories since ancient Greece.
Uh... Alien (1979)?

At any rate, Cameron could have picked a better story to recycle than Pocahontas.
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Funny how one of the greatest audio/video spectacles of all time gets so much hate on AVS forum. Not only that, but that's there's excessive CGI??? Seriously??? I really hate when they can't hire real life blue aliens to play the part... must not have worked that in their 237 million dollar budget.

And the story? It was never meant to have the depth and complexity of a movie such as Inception. Honestly, if it did and we saw a bunch of blue aliens running around I think we'd find it a tad ridiculous. As much as I like head-scrambling plots, I found the simplicity of the plot allowed you to take in the world James Cameron created. I also found the performances and voice acting spot on. It was meant to be a feast for the eyes and ears with a simple against-all-odds story that your kids can follow along with you. I think we should adjust our expectations accordingly.
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Uh... Alien (1979)?

At any rate, Cameron could have picked a better story to recycle than Pocahontas.
More like Ferngully.

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Funny how one of the greatest audio/video spectacles of all time gets so much hate on AVS forum. Not only that, but that's there's excessive CGI??? Seriously??? I really hate when they can't hire real life blue aliens to play the part... must not have worked that in their 237 million dollar budget.

And the story? It was never meant to have the depth and complexity of a movie such as Inception. Honestly, if it did and we saw a bunch of blue aliens running around I think we'd find it a tad ridiculous. As much as I like head-scrambling plots, I found the simplicity of the plot allowed you to take in the world James Cameron created. I also found the performances and voice acting spot on. It was meant to be a feast for the eyes and ears with a simple against-all-odds story that your kids can follow along with you. I think we should adjust our expectations accordingly.

James Cameron and adjusting expectations in the same sentence is like using Excalibur to slice onions. But you are tragically correct. This IS where we are at.
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More like Ferngully.
I don't know what kind of movie that is but isn't that some Italian swear word?
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I don't know what kind of movie that is but isn't that some Italian swear word?

"The magical inhabitants of a rainforest fight to save their home, which is threatened by logging and a polluting force of destruction called Hexxus."

I mean, if that isn't it in a nutshell, I don't know what is.

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Yeah that's one thing that it is "simplistic" it is another to essentially copy well and lesser known "stories" out there all to drive home his well known environmental agenda. He already done that with a far better and original story of the "Abyss" . Yes Cameron's contribution of the last 2 decades is really about new technologies of the film making craft, but severely lacks in the story telling department something that Directors should adhere foremost, at least that's been the idea .
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Yay Pocahontas in Space part 2.

I must say the first one is amazing on my OLED tablet so looking forward to see how Mr Cameron will up the game for the sequels.
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Funny how one of the greatest audio/video spectacles of all time gets so much hate on AVS forum. Not only that, but that's there's excessive CGI??? Seriously??? I really hate when they can't hire real life blue aliens to play the part... must not have worked that in their 237 million dollar budget.

And the story? It was never meant to have the depth and complexity of a movie such as Inception. Honestly, if it did and we saw a bunch of blue aliens running around I think we'd find it a tad ridiculous. As much as I like head-scrambling plots, I found the simplicity of the plot allowed you to take in the world James Cameron created. I also found the performances and voice acting spot on. It was meant to be a feast for the eyes and ears with a simple against-all-odds story that your kids can follow along with you. I think we should adjust our expectations accordingly.
Seems like some (most?) of it is coming from the crowd who doesn't believe climate change is real or is contributed to by human activity. (How many posts have alluded to or mentioned the word 'agenda' now?) The movie's story, while certainly not the greatest of all time, was at least engaging enough for some to cause depression after seeing it. And with regards to audio and video, the movie is top-notch.

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James Cameron and adjusting expectations in the same sentence is like using Excalibur to slice onions. But you are tragically correct. This IS where we are at.
Haha, great analogy and point taken!
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Quote: I’m confident that many people will experience the Avatar sequels in 3D HDR VR using their smartphones.

Who in their right mind would watch this type of epic film on a 4 inch phone. Very lame in my opinion.

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I think you're underestimating the future of technology here... Smartphones just might end up being the best way to watch movies in the future.


Who the hell has a 4" smartphone in 2018?

I'm thinking more like a 5.7" 4K S-AMOLED HDR Samsung display.

* Absolute 0 nit black level
* Infinite on/off, native and ANSI contrast
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I don't know about colours but they should be able to get close to D65

Now add a VR headset that places this gorgeous 5.7" display a couple of inches away from your eyes and you'll have a pseudo experience close to what you would get on the third row from a giant 60-foot screen, except this display has OLED-HDR picture quality.

Then plug in a great pair of IEMs like the Audeze iSine20 or something from UE or JH. and you have pristine sound quality to match. a $100,000 experience for 1% of that cost
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I personally cannot wait for Avatar 2. the orginal took a quantum leap in terms of picture quality and CGI rendering. the movie came out 8 years ago, and honestly I think it is the second best blu-ray ever made in terms of PQ. Only surpassed (marginally) by the Life of Pi. Movies like Interstellar and TDK:R with their 1.85:1 15/70mm IMAX scenes are on par, but they only make up roughly 40% (1 hour) of those movies while Avatar maintains its world class picture throughout the entire length of the film.


Now imagine if Avatar 2 comes out in 2019 and is equally as impressive as its prequel in 2009. CGI so good we won't see anything better until the end of 20s.. Yes please.
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I still buy 3D blurays and watch at home, and go to the theater to watch the latest blockbuster in 3D.....did it really leave?



Not it theaters by any means which boggles my mind whey they did away with it in home.
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No one cares about Avatar 2. Movie stunk anyway. How about Titanic 2: Jacks Revenge?! Anything in the works?
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These days people might be more interested in a proper anamorphic, 480p release of The Abyss than an Avatar sequel ..oh wait, it's 2017, make it a Blu-ray then I'm guessing 4K will be ready for the 50th anniversary, I'm not even sure I'll be alive by then....
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These days people might be more interested in a proper anamorphic, 480p release of The Abyss than an Avatar sequel ..oh wait, it's 2017, make it a Blu-ray then I'm guessing 4K will be ready for the 50th anniversary, I'm not even sure I'll be alive by then....
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What theater did you see it in ? This film raised the 3D bar and then some. Story was secondary, there haven't been any new stories since ancient Greece.


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I can't believe the disrespect Avatar has garnered in this thread. Avatar was the first film to get full CGI characters right with nuanced facial features (and not looking like stone face characters) and advanced shooting angles. Every CGI movie since has copied Cameron's techniques as standards.

What Blu-ray look better reference quality than Avatar? Take any 4K Blu-ray and play it against Avatar on an Oppo 105d on a LG G6 and it will lose.

Avatar, Titanic, Aliens, Abyss, T2, T1, True Lies.. stop it.. the man has done nothing but make technically exciting movies his entire career, Cameron is the Steve Jobs of films.
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Avatar, Titanic, Aliens, Abyss, T2, T1, True Lies.. stop it.. the man has done nothing but make technically exciting movies his entire career, Cameron is the Steve Jobs of films.
Oh I agree, but where are Abyss and True Lies Blu-rays? These technically exciting movies should have been released long ago on High Definition. But here we are, 20+ years later, and the only option to watch them at home is on a non-anamorphic dvd! Simply unwatchable by today's standards. Even more frustrating is that they are from a director constantly thriving on technical excellence.

I do think though, that 10 years is a lot of time to deliver a sequel to Avatar, I mean after all this time do we still care? Hopefully yes, but I'm not sure.
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I hope that 3D comes back I really enjoy it
52 movies on the agenda for the next few years and plenty on the shelves. Where did you think it went ?

3D has been dying for 20 years according to the naysayers , but that is more a wish that has never come true.

When 3D glasses free happens, my guess it will become the standard.We see real life in 3D not 2D.

It only works on a large screen in a dedicated theater, that's the problem. Then again I feel the same about 2D movies as well if I want to be immersed, everything else is
just TV IMHO.
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Mate, I corrected your post...see the quote above!

Well I'm not alone in this matter but thanks for taking my opinion and making it fit your agenda better. Avatar is probably one of the worst CGI and movie plots I have ever watched. Sorry MATE but its boring and a mediocre movie at best. Only thing its good for is 3D which is dying anyway, just like I hope the dreams of an Avatar 2 are.
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Well I'm not alone in this matter but thanks for taking my opinion and making it fit your agenda better. Avatar is probably one of the worst CGI and movie plots I have ever watched. Sorry MATE but its boring and a mediocre movie at best. Only thing its good for is 3D which is dying anyway, just like I hope the dreams of an Avatar 2 are.
But, you aren't getting the point, you said "no one cares", which isn't true, by a long shot. You didn't like 1 but that is only your opinion and maybe others but certainly not "no one", as you are implying. You don't have the right to speak for me, or anyone else, only for yourself, so please quantify your statements.

By the way, how is it you already know that you, or "no one" else, will not like 2, do you have an inside line? Didn't think so! Pass your judgement when the time comes MATE!
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For a move which fits nicely right between Sharknado and Starship Troopers, it still wobbles my mind what everyone loved about it. It was pretty bad from beginning to end. Predictable, CGI-ey, and worst of all laden with agenda. Am I missing something?
Nope. The movie was an atrocity brought to us by the man who was inexplicably also responsible for The Terminator, The Abyss, True Lies, and Aliens. I still say aliens kidnapped James Cameron before Titanic and stuck an imposter in his place who has brought us trash like Titanic and Avatar since.

Incidentally, comparing Avatar to Starship Troopers is an insult to Starship Troopers. Lol
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2019 would be appropriate then. 10-year anniversary of the first flick.

It is rather ridiculous though how long this has taken.
It took him 15 years to create that stain on his reputation the original Avatar, not sure why this would surprise anyone. This is clearly NOT the same James Cameron we all grew to love in the 1980's and early 1990's
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Funny how one of the greatest audio/video spectacles of all time gets so much hate on AVS forum. Not only that, but that's there's excessive CGI??? Seriously??? I really hate when they can't hire real life blue aliens to play the part... must not have worked that in their 237 million dollar budget.

And the story? It was never meant to have the depth and complexity of a movie such as Inception. Honestly, if it did and we saw a bunch of blue aliens running around I think we'd find it a tad ridiculous. As much as I like head-scrambling plots, I found the simplicity of the plot allowed you to take in the world James Cameron created. I also found the performances and voice acting spot on. It was meant to be a feast for the eyes and ears with a simple against-all-odds story that your kids can follow along with you. I think we should adjust our expectations accordingly.
The hate is because of the expectations. Special effects are nice, but James Cameron has given us some of the best science fiction films, special effects be damned.

Avatar took him over a decade.. A DECADE!!!!! And the plot was obscenely atrocious. Yes.. I expected more from James Cameron cause of what he has brought us in the past, which is what makes it all the more awful.
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To all of you who feel you could've done better than Mr. Cameron (or any of the other directors you've chosen to malign), please let me know when your epic, top-grossing summer blockbuster premieres.

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