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Morpheo 09-14-2017 08:54 AM

Red Sparrow (2018)
 
Maybe I'll give that one a look... ;)



Franin 09-14-2017 09:08 AM

Looks good

They_call_me_Roto 09-15-2017 06:09 AM

21st Century Fox giving us their version of Atomic Blonde / Joan Wick.

I'll still go see it.

gwsat 02-08-2018 09:27 AM

I am really looking forward to Red Sparrow. It is based on the novel of the same name, written by Jason Matthews, which won the 2014 Mystery Writers of America Edgar for Best First Novel. Matthews was a long serving CIA officer so he knows his stuff. The novel is the first in a trilogy.

A "sparrow" in Russian intelligence parlance, is a trained seductress, one of which Jennifer Lawrence plays. I am reading the book, plan to read the sequels, and and will be excited to see what the wondrously talented Lawrence does with the title character.

fookoo_2010 02-11-2018 02:42 PM

Something to see. It has to be a lot better than Mother that maybe Jennifer Lawrence's worst movie.

Dean Roddey 02-13-2018 11:44 AM

If it's as good as Atomic Blond I'd enjoy it. Charlize did a great job on that one. Well other than the English accent.

gwsat 02-14-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Roddey (Post 55685424)
If it's as good as Atomic Blond I'd enjoy it. Charlize did a great job on that one. Well other than the English accent.

I have read the book upon which the show is based and am halfway through the second book in the trilogy, Palace of Treason. Like Charlize Theron's character in Atomic Blonde, Lorraine Broughton, The Red Sparrow, Lawrence, is a talented spy who doesn't mind a bit of killing when its necessary to her mission. This makes me really want to see the film.

As much as I like everything Theron does, I was a little disappointed by Atomic Blonde. The film swung so violently and so often between bloody but funny mayhem and dark ruminations about the essential dishonesty of spying, I was a little put off it, the formidable Theron notwithstanding. Don't misunderstand me, though, I wasn't so put off by Atomic Blonde that I didn't watch my UHD HDR disk of the film twice.

Dean Roddey 02-14-2018 11:57 AM

I thought the bi-polar/manic nature of the movie sort of fit the background of Berlin around the time of the wall coming down, where the times themselves were sort of manic. And I liked that the fights were not the clean/clinical fights of so many super-spy movies. They were very messy and real damage was done every time and it started added up.

fookoo_2010 03-02-2018 10:10 PM

Somewhat disappointing. The movie is way too long at 2 hrs 20 min. In a sense, it is the Jennifer Lawrence version of Atomic Blonde, meaning that she takes more than a few beatings. Nothing at all wrong with any of the performances with the problem being the script. But that's nothing new to movies. One might classify it as Jennifer Lawrence's first adult film and if you see it, you will know what I mean.

gwsat 03-03-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 (Post 55785200)
Somewhat disappointing. The movie is way too long at 2 hrs 20 min. In a sense, it is the Jennifer Lawrence version of Atomic Blonde, meaning that she takes more than a few beatings. Nothing at all wrong with any of the performances with the problem being the script. But that's nothing new to movies. One might classify it as Jennifer Lawrence's first adult film and if you see it, you will know what I mean.

I loved Jason Matthews Red Sparrow trilogy of books so I have preordered the UHD HDR version of the Jennifer Lawrence film. Because of the terrible reviews and mediocre viewer ratings the film is getting, I probably won't see it in the theater, though. The only reason I am buying the UHD HDR version is my appreciation of Jennifer Lawrence's talent. I made the Atomic Blonde connection too. If Red Sparrow ends up entertaining me as much as Atomic Blonde did, I'll be happy.

Josh Z 03-03-2018 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gwsat (Post 55788208)
The only reason I am buying the UHD HDR version is my appreciation of Jennifer Lawrence's talent.

I think I'd really want to see all her "talent" in the best resolution possible too. :)

gwsat 03-03-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 55788818)
I think I'd really want to see all her "talent" in the best resolution possible too. :)

Well, now that you've smoked me out, there's that too.

afrogt 03-07-2018 01:59 AM

Saw it tonight, thought it was okay but a little too long. At least it was only $6. I'd rather watch Black Panther again.

skibum5000 03-17-2018 12:02 AM

Didn't seem too long to me at all. Not sure why everybody wants everything so rushed and edited down these days.

It is a bit disturbing and harsh at times to say the least, but also quite powerful and moving all the same. It worked well. I suppose for once, maybe, at least in part, the ugliness and violence and disturbing stuff might perhaps be justified to be shown this time, just to truly get across the overall feeling of the horror of U.S.S.R./Stalin and more directly the true level of what the character had to face and some elements of her nature. Otherwise perhaps some of it, especially on the broader scale, but even on her own personal scale, might not really, fully sink in to people.

Also seems a bit all too relevant again with Putin seeming hell bent on going all full on 1980s level Cold War again (heck there are even some rumors that his Institute, perhaps some sort of 'Americans' and spy finishing school of sorts among other things, has expanded to include a clone of the old State School #4 and it's Swallows which I think was ended in the early 80s perhaps, although many say it can be safer and cheaper to just hire on modern trained escorts in Russia today who are sophisticated enough these days and know nothing and can't really be turned since they have no connection to anything).

One thing for people to note, is that Rotten Tomatoes can be an odd thing to glance at. You could have 99% of reviewers think a movie is a B- or B and it will be 99% fresh and seem like one of the greatest films of all time or get 60% thinking something is an A or A+ and 15% thinking something is a B+ and 25% thinking it is a C or worse and the movie will get a 75% which might seem much worse than the film that got a 99% but that would seem a bit misleading.

Anyway in this case it seemed to be polarizing and get a lot of 8-10s and then a lot of 1-2s and so get like a 50% and yet it is not that most people thought it was middling.

I also saw try to take a Millenial feminist bent on it and I feel entirely misread the movie. Just because something shows a number of characters behaving in very misogynistic ways doesn't mean the movie itself is misogynistic or celebrating any of that. And some seemed to not realize just how fierce Stalin and what the U.S.S.R. could do were. And then trash it to bits. It seemed those types of reviews played a big part in the scores that brought the overall total down.

Some just became too unsettled by some of the disturbing stuff to be able to appreciate it all and it was quite good (oddly though some of the same reviewers somehow had no problem getting through Dragon Tattoo which seemed worse and with less need for all that stuff).

gwsat 03-17-2018 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skibum5000 (Post 55869644)
Didn't seem too long to me at all. Not sure why everybody wants everything so rushed and edited down these days.

It is a bit disturbing and harsh at times to say the least, but also quite powerful and moving all the same. It worked well. I suppose for once, maybe, at least in part, the ugliness and violence and disturbing stuff might perhaps be justified to be shown this time, just to truly get across the overall feeling of the horror of U.S.S.R./Stalin and more directly the true level of what the character had to face and some elements of her nature. Otherwise perhaps some of it, especially on the broader scale, but even on her own personal scale, might not really, fully sink in to people.

Also seems a bit all too relevant again with Putin seeming hell bent on going all full on 1980s level Cold War again (heck there are even some rumors that his Institute, perhaps some sort of 'Americans' and spy finishing school of sorts among other things, has expanded to include a clone of the old State School #4 and it's Swallows which I think was ended in the early 80s perhaps, although many say it can be safer and cheaper to just hire on modern trained escorts in Russia today who are sophisticated enough these days and know nothing and can't really be turned since they have no connection to anything).

One thing for people to note, is that Rotten Tomatoes can be an odd thing to glance at. You could have 99% of reviewers think a movie is a B- or B and it will be 99% fresh and seem like one of the greatest films of all time or get 60% thinking something is an A or A+ and 15% thinking something is a B+ and 25% thinking it is a C or worse and the movie will get a 75% which might seem much worse than the film that got a 99% but that would seem a bit misleading.

Anyway in this case it seemed to be polarizing and get a lot of 8-10s and then a lot of 1-2s and so get like a 50% and yet it is not that most people thought it was middling.

I also saw try to take a Millenial feminist bent on it and I feel entirely misread the movie. Just because something shows a number of characters behaving in very misogynistic ways doesn't mean the movie itself is misogynistic or celebrating any of that. And some seemed to not realize just how fierce Stalin and what the U.S.S.R. could do were. And then trash it to bits. It seemed those types of reviews played a big part in the scores that brought the overall total down.

Some just became too unsettled by some of the disturbing stuff to be able to appreciate it all and it was quite good (oddly though some of the same reviewers somehow had no problem getting through Dragon Tattoo which seemed worse and with less need for all that stuff).

Thanks for your analysis of the nature of the reviews of Red Sparrow collected at the Rotten Tomatoes site. That makes me feel a bit better about having preordered the UHD HDR version of the film. As much as I enjoyed the trilogy of Red Sparrow books I have had some misgivings about the negative reactions the film had generated.

skibum5000 03-17-2018 10:41 PM

Surprised this isn't getting a larger box office take. My local theater was all but sold out the last two weekends. I guess it must doing super poorly in some other regions.

gwsat 05-15-2018 07:21 PM

As noted in an earlier post, I read Jason Matthews' Red Sparrow trilogy so I was at least partially prepared for the film's bleak but compelling point of view. Also as noted earlier, I preordered the UHD HDR version of the film. It downloaded to my Kaleidescape system overnight and I watched it this evening. Because of the film's many negative reviews I went into it with low expectations, despite my fondness for the books. I was well rewarded by my blind purchase.

As always, Jennifer Lawrence was outstanding, this time as the beautiful, brilliant, and devious spy, Dominika Egorova. I also liked Joel Edgerton as Nate Nash, Dominika's CIA opposite number. Perhaps the best thing about the film was its incredibly talented ensemble cast. It is filled with so many big names, I won't list any of them here. I should add that I didn't find it at all too long. In fact, I was wondering during the last 10 minutes how they were going to be able to finish the story. They did it in style though. I really liked it. Highly recommended, 8 Stars out of 10!

Franin 05-16-2018 05:04 AM

I'm looking forward in picking this up. Big fan of Jennifer Lawrence.

gwsat 05-16-2018 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franin (Post 56195118)
I'm looking forward in picking this up. Big fan of Jennifer Lawrence.

I hope you enjoy it too, Frank. I found the film so intriguing, I have started rereading Jason Matthews novel, Red Sparrow. Lawrence was nearly perfect as Dominika Egorova: tall, curvaceous, smart, cynical, and incredibly sexy.


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