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Joker (2019) |Joaquin Phoenix| Directed by Todd Phillips

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4 October 2019 (USA)
An original standalone origin story of the iconic
villain not seen before on the big screen,
it's a gritty character study of Arthur Fleck,
a man disregarded by society, and a broader cautionary tale.


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Joaquin looks creepy as hell, but I still don't know if I really want to see the Joker explained and demystified.

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I'm happy to have both options available to me. I like the fact that Christopher Nolan's Joker told misleading stories about his past (source of his facial scars) so that audiences didn't know his origin. But I also like that Todd Philips' Joker (no facial scars) has a fully realized origin story. I won't pretend they are the same character, any more than I did with the mobster-boss Joker in Suicide Squad. Variations on a theme. For anyone not interested in seeing this particular Joker's back story, the solution couldn't be easier: don't watch this movie.

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I saw a different teaser trailer that was more enticing than this one. This trailer isnt urging me to go see it but I'm not throwing in the towel on it.
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I'm happy to have both options available to me. I like the fact that Christopher Nolan's Joker told misleading stories about his past (source of his facial scars) so that audiences didn't know his origin. But I also like that Todd Philips' Joker (no facial scars) has a fully realized origin story. I won't pretend they are the same character, any more than I did with the mobster-boss Joker in Suicide Squad. Variations on a theme. For anyone not interested in seeing this particular Joker's back story, the solution couldn't be easier: don't watch this movie.
I rather enjoy what the Gotham TV series has done with the character. "The Joker" is not one particular person, but rather a mantle that gets passed along from one psycho to another, each filling the role differently than the last. The current Joker is cold and calculating, whereas the last one (his twin brother who died) was a raving loony.

The Joker is an idea, not an individual.
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I rather enjoy what the Gotham TV series has done with the character. "The Joker" is not one particular person, but rather a mantle that gets passed along from one psycho to another, each filling the role differently than the last. The current Joker is cold and calculating, whereas the last one (his twin brother who died) was a raving loony.

The Joker is an idea, not an individual.
Ummmm ... interesting.

I haven't watched any of the Gotham series, doesn't interest me ... but if you could point me to pertinent epis for the Joker character I'm tempted to try.

I watched this teaser without sound (teen daughter is next to me on the sofa, hard at work on homework), and it's creepy and personal enough to be interesting. I like these one-off projects (not trying to build a "universe") that give us a individual take on the core story. ... I don't like when the Joker is played so over-the-top loony that there's nothing to relate to. As good as 1989's Batman was, Nicholson's Joker was simply played for goofy-creepy laughs. Ledger's Joker was more nuanced and menacing ... the implication was that Ledger's Joker emerged because of Batman's ascendence ... only the absurdity of a phantom-like, masked vigilante creates the opportunity for a completely bent criminal to take increasingly irrational risks to gain greater power.

So this fresh approach seems, well, fresh. But with some thought and grounding in the "Red Hood" and "Killing Joke" stories. I'm in.

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I haven't watched any of the Gotham series, doesn't interest me ... but if you could point me to pertinent epis for the Joker character I'm tempted to try.
The show is overstuffed with villains and the Jokers have been recurring for a while. It's hard to point to a specific episode.

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This actually looks good. I don't know if my interest is mostly in Joaquin Phoenix's presence, or the way Joker's mental descent is portrayed in a manner that some people can identify with. Regardless, a must see for me.
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this looks pretty amazing...I didn't think anyone could top Heath Ledger's portrayal but this looks like it could do it...everything from the cinematography to the acting looks incredible (Robert De Niro looks fully invested in this as well)
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Will be interesting @TitusTroy , as Heath did a flawless job as the joker, IMHO.....
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Will be interesting @TitusTroy , as Heath did a flawless job as the joker, IMHO.....
I wonder how much of the actual Joker we'll see in the movie or if it's mostly an origin story
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@TitusTroy , I hope a bunch, otherwise it would be a let down, maybe @Waboman might be right?
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I wonder how much of the actual Joker we'll see in the movie or if it's mostly an origin story
I wouldn't mind if it is almost all origin story and light on the subsequent chaos, but at the same time I don't want what could essentially amount to a remake of "The King of Comedy."
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I likely won't see this in theaters unless it just garners an amazing review score and my schedule allows (my October is looking busy). If it ends up anywhere around 7 on IMDb, I'm sure I'll redbox it when it comes out. The cinematography looks really good, and I like the setting though it's been done to death (60s/70s NYC). NYC will always be interesting to me. Of course, if it comes out and ends up being universally panned, I likely won't see it, but given the marketing push it's getting, that seems unlikely.
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I heard somewhere that Phoenix has said he's only doing this one movie, so don't expect his Joker to cross over with any other DC films.
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I likely won't see this in theaters unless it just garners an amazing review score and my schedule allows (my October is looking busy). If it ends up anywhere around 7 on IMDb, I'm sure I'll redbox it when it comes out. The cinematography looks really good, and I like the setting though it's been done to death (60s/70s NYC). NYC will always be interesting to me. Of course, if it comes out and ends up being universally panned, I likely won't see it, but given the marketing push it's getting, that seems unlikely.
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Even though it is releasing in October, Warners has been showing the movie to critics and in festivals to garner Oscar buzz. Early reviews are trickling in,


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Still not feeling it.
I'm with you. This feels like an attempt to make a comic book character into a Scorsese tragic character which I can't see how it is going to work. I really don't think Heath Ledger's take on joker can be beaten in live action. I haven't seen animated shows but I've heard that Mark Hamill has done some great work there.

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Even though it is releasing in October, Warners has been showing the movie to critics and in festivals to garner Oscar buzz. Early reviews are trickling in, …
It’s way way too early to “generate Oscar buzz.” That’s usually done in January, February (I remember all the “free admission to AMPAS members displaying card” ads in LA theater ads). But this is a smart gambit to generate critic/influencer word of mouth before a release, have seen it work many times.

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It’s way way too early to “generate Oscar buzz.” That’s usually done in January, February (I remember all the “free admission to AMPAS members displaying card” ads in LA theater ads). But this is a smart gambit to generate critic/influencer word of mouth before a release, have seen it work many times.
Entertainment sites have already been talking about Oscar Buzz for months now. IMDB currently has an article about Oscar Buzz from the Toronto Film Festival next week.


Waiting until January is not something that has happened in decades.
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The cape and cg blur fans are gonna be crying over this one. Put your rain boots on, folks.
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Because the RT are so much better....


Chappelle's new special is at zero there. Perhaps because he literally killed everyone?



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Speaking of Yelp. This fine person gave Yellowstone 1 Star. Yellowstone! Bad food, poor wifi, lack of cell phone coverage. Lol. Silly millennials.

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Speaking of Yelp. This fine person gave Yellowstone 1 Star. Yellowstone! Bad food, poor wifi, lack of cell phone coverage. Lol. Silly millennials.

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I hope for the sake of humanity that that is fake.


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