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HAHA, nice.

So will this ever come to dvd or bluray?

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HAHA, nice.

So will this ever come to dvd or bluray?
Roma was just announced for Criterion. So there's a chance... in over a year.
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Roma was just announced for Criterion. So there's a chance... in over a year.
Maybe UHD 4k disc?? Still waiting for Criterion to take that step.
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Quite a film. It's long, but worth every minute
Could I rate this better then Goodfellas or Casino - hell no, but this is something different.
It's not full of mob "Action" It is full of fantastic acting with a grip on something that entertains.
The Hoffa story is old to most of us and perhaps antique. After watching this, I'm no more compelled
to research it than before. What they did with the body? Please, there were 20 ways to make it vanish. The choice in the film was one. There is no reveal here cause there is none to work with. It's all about the connections.
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Quite a film. It's long, but worth every minute
I didn't realize it was out already. You see it in the theater or Netflix?
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I didn't realize it was out already. You see it in the theater or Netflix?
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Loved loved loved the film. Masterpiece.

- I don't care about the deaging complaints at all. Or the scene with the grocer or how 'slow' the actors moved
- needed more Keitel
- Pacino stole the show. He's a FAR better actor than De Niro who's always played the same character and is overrated
- Pesci is a revelation. Pure, sinister evil.
- 3.5hrs felt like 1
- there will be no films made like this ever again. Like its stars its close to death
- please release the full 6hr extended cut
- comparing this to Goodfellas/Casino etc is missing the point - its not about gangsters or mafia etc (There's very little action if any. It deals with the people at the top). The film is about regrets, choices in life, facing your mortality, value of family, lack of morality etc.
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Interesting - some of the supporting roles/actors just flew past me in my first view, Ramano, Paquin, etc. I think I noticed Ray, but I didn't put it together. Plemons was an easy spot. Such a distinctive face from the Breaking Bad Series

I agree - more Keitel - guess there was just not enough room in the script?
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Has anyone who's seen it read the book?
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Mind blowing. Disagree about Bobby. Some of his finest work of his career. He is playing a tight, tight lipped, less emotion character. Second half of the film, Bobby will show you why it’s one of his best of his career. Pesci, off the charts. Best film of his career. Golden statue turf easily. One of the best performances I have ever seen from any actor in any role in any film. There is so much acting without words in this, just looks, that cannot be replicated by another ensemble cast or director. When actors are speaking without words, using nothing but facial expression, and having conversations this way, or with just a few words, and conveying paragraphs without doing it, rarely seen. Once in a decade type stuff.

And Martin just delivered his best work of his career. 210 minutes of mastery. He is the only one alive who could pull this off. The music choices, the cinematography, the lines, the actors he chose, all of it, every minute detail of every frame. They will be talking about this film in 50 years. Shoe in for the whole shebang at the golden statue awards. he just took a big dump on the entire industry, it’s that good. Every actor, every scene, every shot, the subtle digs at sjw, and his comments towards the comic book films, now I see why. This is cinema and story telling the way it’s done, the precedent. Good luck to his fellow directors, best of effin luck. You’re gonna sack lunches for 50 years. When he and a few other directors are done, it’ll be the old way, and you will miss it because it will gone with the wind. Like much of Kubrick’s work, this film will take some time for many to get the full jest of what he just pulled off covering this much ground in a single film. Kubrick and Scorsese are now stamped in solid steel as the best two directors I have ever watched. Take Goodfellas, and Casino, combine them, then make it better than both even if you put them together. The rare perfect film. Pacino, to me, got outclassed by Bobby, and Joe Pesci bested all of them combined. Will watch this 2-3 times over the next week. Bo Dietl was absolute magnificent and the funniest part of the film. 10/10. The rare perfect film.

Will have to see the Safdie brothers new film next month to see if it can even hold a candle to this. For best picture of the year, the only possible chance of rivaling this and I’m gonna go ahead and say no way even with Good Time, their last film, being the best film I have seen in the last 10 years. I’m most worried of this type of cinema, going away, and going away for good.
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Mind blowing. Disagree about Bobby. Some of his finest work of his career. He is playing a tight, tight lipped, less emotion character. Second half of the film, Bobby will show you why it’s one of his best of his career. Pesci, off the charts. Best film of his career. Golden statue turf easily. One of the best performances I have ever seen from any actor in any role in any film. There is so much acting without words in this, just looks, that cannot be replicated by another ensemble cast or director. When actors are speaking without words, using nothing but facial expression, and having conversations this way, or with just a few words, and conveying paragraphs without doing it, rarely seen. Once in a decade type stuff.

And Martin just delivered his best work of his career. 210 minutes of mastery. He is the only one alive who could pull this off. The music choices, the cinematography, the lines, the actors he chose, all of it, every minute detail of every frame. They will be talking about this film in 50 years. Shoe in for the whole shebang at the golden statue awards. he just took a big dump on the entire industry, it’s that good. Every actor, every scene, every shot, the subtle digs at sjw, and his comments towards the comic book films, now I see why. This is cinema and story telling the way it’s done, the precedent. Good luck to his fellow directors, best of effin luck. You’re gonna sack lunches for 50 years. When he and a few other directors are done, it’ll be the old way, and you will miss it because it will gone with the wind. Like much of Kubrick’s work, this film will take some time for many to get the full jest of what he just pulled off covering this much ground in a single film. Kubrick and Scorsese are now stamped in solid steel as the best two directors I have ever watched. Take Goodfellas, and Casino, combine them, then make it better than both even if you put them together. The rare perfect film. Pacino, to me, got outclassed by Bobby, and Joe Pesci bested all of them combined. Will watch this 2-3 times over the next week. Bo Dietl was absolute magnificent and the funniest part of the film. 10/10. The rare perfect film.

Will have to see the Safdie brothers new film next month to see if it can even hold a candle to this. For best picture of the year, the only possible chance of rivaling this and I’m gonna go ahead and say no way even with Good Time, their last film, being the best film I have seen in the last 10 years. I’m most worried of this type of cinema, going away, and going away for good.
I completely disagree about 'Pacino, to me, got outclassed by Bobby' and so do most reviews. Pacino is in a class of his own and shows far greater range and nuance and brings so many layers to Hoffa. De Niro plays the same character he's always played and its a walk in the park for him.

Agreed with the rest. I think Scorcese said some not so nice things about the modern comic book movies from MCU and he is absolutely right - those films have no craft and they are like fast food compared to a proper fine dining meal.

Just look at the fact that no major studio was willing to pick this up and without Netflix this movie would never have been made and if it was would've been heavily modified and edited - and thats with such a world class director and cast.

Films like this will never be made again. There's only a handful of directors who'll even get money to make a movie that isn't a remake/reboot/sequel or based on a comic book/fantasy franchise - among them are Nolan, Scorcese etc and even then it took Scorcese years to make this.

I wish this was playing in all major chains - but then again no one would go see it and already social media/blogs are complaining about how long and boring and slow it is. There is no hope.
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I can't imagine watching this on netflix. A 3.5 hour movie with ~10mbit stream? Get real. This needs the two-disc, 50gb bluray treatment (and 100gb UHD disc).
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I can't imagine watching this on netflix. A 3.5 hour movie with ~10mbit stream? Get real. This needs the two-disc, 50gb bluray treatment (and 100gb UHD disc).
I don't know, I watched it on Netflix in DolbyVision and Atmos sound. It looked and sounded great. And... while my 75" screen isn't as big as the local cinema it is plenty big in my viewing room!

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I can't imagine watching this on netflix. A 3.5 hour movie with ~10mbit stream? Get real. This needs the two-disc, 50gb bluray treatment (and 100gb UHD disc).
This movie is 99% dialog. It would be fine with 2ch audio, and the video is perfectly fine with 10Mbs as well, as blasphemous as that may sound. This certainly doesn't need 100GB UHD, its no AV demo, there's barely any high motion so no compression artifacts either. I guarantee if I showed you a compressed vs uncompressed version of most movies you wouldn't be able to tell the difference no matter what the AV setup - most people can't as has been repeatedly shown in many blind tests/GtG's. People really need to get off the high horse, even on AVS

I much preferred watching at home on my tv. It's a long movie that needs a break. And its very easy to rewind which I did often. And I can turn on subtitles.
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This movie is 99% dialog. It would be fine with 2ch audio, and the video is perfectly fine with 10Mbs as well, as blasphemous as that may sound. This certainly doesn't need 100GB UHD, its no AV demo, there's barely any high motion so no compression artifacts either. I guarantee if I showed you a compressed vs uncompressed version of most movies you wouldn't be able to tell the difference no matter what the AV setup - most people can't as has been repeatedly shown in many blind tests/GtG's. People really need to get off the high horse, even on AVS

I much preferred watching at home on my tv. It's a long movie that needs a break. And its very easy to rewind which I did often. And I can turn on subtitles.
I don't know, some of the horses around here need ladders to get up to. But you're right, home theaters do the best with dialogue driven movies where you can actually concentrate on what's being said.

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Wow, what a movie.
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This movie is 99% dialog. It would be fine with 2ch audio, and the video is perfectly fine with 10Mbs as well, as blasphemous as that may sound. This certainly doesn't need 100GB UHD, its no AV demo, there's barely any high motion so no compression artifacts either. I guarantee if I showed you a compressed vs uncompressed version of most movies you wouldn't be able to tell the difference no matter what the AV setup - most people can't as has been repeatedly shown in many blind tests/GtG's. People really need to get off the high horse, even on AVS

I much preferred watching at home on my tv. It's a long movie that needs a break. And its very easy to rewind which I did often. And I can turn on subtitles.
I can easily tell. I watch movies on a 165 inch projection screen. I'm sure it's fine for most people who have 45-75 inch TVs.
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I can easily tell. I watch movies on a 165 inch projection screen. I'm sure it's fine for most people who have 45-75 inch TVs.
Do you not watch any 720p or 1080p content - vast majority of streaming services are in that format with not very high bitrate encodes.

I have a 65" tv so I suppose I'm fine. Maybe thats why I find 4K a but underwhelming ?
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Do you not watch any 720p or 1080p content - vast majority of streaming services are in that format with not very high bitrate encodes.

I have a 65" tv so I suppose I'm fine. Maybe thats why I find 4K a but underwhelming ?
I only watch 1080p content (I don't have a 4k projector). I do stream occasionally if I have to, otherwise I try to get higher bitrate media. I agree that 4k is underwhelming at lower screen sizes. I've seen some 4k demos on 80+ inch TVs and the only things I'm really impressed by are the HDR, black levels, and (perceived) contrast. I think 4k resolution (without HDR, etc.) is only really beneficial on truly large screens.
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Second watch.


Wow, what a movie.
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So... am I allowed to say I did not find it a masterpiece?
I have a hard time with movies that describes a way of life or a state of mind instead of telling a story with beginning, middle and end
Yes, the actors are great… but didn't we know that going in?
That's three and a half hours of guys talking
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Luckily this one had all those but you don't have to consider it a masterpiece.
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I only watch 1080p content (I don't have a 4k projector). I do stream occasionally if I have to, otherwise I try to get higher bitrate media. I agree that 4k is underwhelming at lower screen sizes. I've seen some 4k demos on 80+ inch TVs and the only things I'm really impressed by are the HDR, black levels, and (perceived) contrast. I think 4k resolution (without HDR, etc.) is only really beneficial on truly large screens.
I upgraded this year from 65" 1080p to 65" 4K after waiting it out for years, hearing everyone say it was going to be night and day and feel like I've been scammed I suppose the bigger difference is in HDR and my set (TCL) has excellent HDR but even then I'm not really wowed. And its not like I sit very far from tv, I'm very close just to maximize the screen.

With how tv prices are falling I feel like I should've waited another year.
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So... am I allowed to say I did not find it a masterpiece?
I have a hard time with movies that describes a way of life or a state of mind instead of telling a story with beginning, middle and end
Yes, the actors are great… but didn't we know that going in?
That's three and a half hours of guys talking
Many great movies are just people talking - e.g. have you seen The Man From Earth? Its a gem.

And this movie did have a beginning, middle and end, in fact its a classic 3 act story.Its not some art piece with symbolism etc.
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