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Not the best, but here are some more recent ones:

Gattaca, the Fly (yucky), Minority Report, Moon, Ex Machina, BSG:Blood and Chrome, Serenity, Edge of Tomorrow

For TV Series, I liked the Lost in Space reboot for Action and acting and special effects, very good and season 2 on its way. The Expanse was ok, but the acting was mostly ho-hum and something was missing. Dark matter was better even though it was a bit more corny, at least it wasn't boring.
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Not the best, but here are some more recent ones:

Gattaca, the Fly (yucky), Minority Report, Moon, Ex Machina, BSG:Blood and Chrome, Serenity, Edge of Tomorrow

For TV Series, I liked the Lost in Space reboot for Action and acting and special effects, very good and season 2 on its way. The Expanse was ok, but the acting was mostly ho-hum and something was missing. Dark matter was better even though it was a bit more corny, at least it wasn't boring.
Completely with you on the movie selection.

For TV ... wow, just wow. Exactly the opposite for me. LiS was painful to watch with horrible acting and an utter disregard for physics in the real world. Robot's practical effects were a joke; should've done him completely in CGI. The Expanse was a little slow starting but the characters were very well developed and the performances outstanding. Attention to real world physics wasn't perfect, but they at least gave a nod to how things work in a weightless environment (although the slingshot bit was a little tough to take).

To each his/her own, though.
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I think 'The Expanse' is outstanding. IMO, it's easily the best sci-fi TV show of all time (certainly of the "hard science" variety), behind the magnificent BSG (reboot version). They try very hard to get the physics right. The only real "macguffin" is the Epstein Drive, a very efficient fusion drive that allows constant acceleration/deceleration for months at a time, thereby providing artificial gravity and cuts the travel time from one solar body to the next to weeks or months rather than years. Not hard to imagine something like that will eventually be invented. Our current understanding of physics allows it.

The asteroids that house human habitations are mined from the inside, then "spun up" to provide centrifugal gravity for the inhabitants. There is no faster-than-light travel, transporters, lasers/phasers or other tropes of standard space opera. Mars has hundreds of millions of inhabitants by this time (200 years in the future) and become a military superpower (they invented the Epstein Drive and gave it to earth in return for independence). They are practically single-minded in their goal of terraforming their planet.

In addition, there is a lower caste of people who live in the asteroid belt, mining it for its mineral wealth and selling it back to Earth & Mars. So there are 3 major population groups in the solar system and the plot lines mainly involve how those entities interact with each other. Then, something strange is discovered on one of the moons of Saturn and the status quo suddenly changes...

The story & plot lines are extremely well done and based on the excellent series of novels by dual authors who write under the pen name of "James S.A. Corey". I've been keeping up with the book series and they just released the 8th of 9. So the story is almost complete. The TV show roughly follows the books, with one per season. Syfy Network cancelled it last year (too expensive to produce) and Amazon Video picked it up. S-4 premieres this fall. Free for Prime members. If you like "hard" sci-fi, you should climb on board the Rocinante and enjoy one helluva ride.
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Something about the expanse just doesn’t click with me at all.

Not sure if it’s the gratuitous violence or what but that show just turns me off. Tried reading the books and I got as far as book 5 or 6 and put that down as well for spoiler-ey reasons.


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Something about the expanse just doesn’t click with me at all.

Not sure if it’s the gratuitous violence or what but that show just turns me off. Tried reading the books and I got as far as book 5 or 6 and put that down as well for spoiler-ey reasons.


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The most common tagline for the series is "United by War." You were expecting maybe a pillowfight?
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Haven't seen "The Expanse", or most other recent SF series for that matter. I'm still sort of working on Sorbo's "Andromeda". What I've heard here on "The Expanse" has mostly been positive though. The new "Lost in Space" looks like it could be fun too.


I certainly enjoyed the old version, when I was a youngster. Fwiw, it can be streamed free w/ads on The Roku Channel here...

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/deta.../lost-in-space

Sound is only mono, and not the best quality (and could possibly benefit from some EQ-ing). But the PQ is excellent.

"Andromeda" can also be streamed there...

https://therokuchannel.roku.com/deta...6b32/andromeda

Excellent sound and picture on this one. Neither are very "serious" SF. But I'd give the above at least a couple episodes before you decide. One of em might start to grow on you. Plus they're free, and don't even cost nothin. TRC does require registration btw. But you don't have to give them any credit card or financial info to watch their free stuff.
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ok but there's war like star wars and then there's this...
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ok but there's war like star wars and then there's this...
I think the issue most of us who enjoy the show would disagree with was your choice of adjective: gratuitous. The violence on the show is rather tame for modern television adventure dramas, and I can't think of any examples where the writers inserted violence for merely gratuitous titillation. In every case, it grows organically out of the plot line.

Space is a dangerous place, especially when people bring with them their violent impulses. As they certainly will once the first wave of pure scientists and adventurers to venture out there gives way to a more typical cross-section of humanity in later colonization efforts. Inter-solar space travel has become routine a couple of centuries down the line in the world of The Expanse.

When I think of gratuitous violence, I think of a show like 'Westworld', or basically any drama on Cinemax or any of the hyper-violent crime dramas all over the small (or large) screen. 'The Expanse' would be one of the last to which I would give that description.
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There was so little violence in Star Wars because the so-called "Storm Troopers" couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a baseball bat.
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Finished the last two Treks in the Kelvin timeline. Not sure what to say about these.

Into Darkness recycled ideas and characters from some of the other Trek films. Beyond was just confusing. Neither one felt very "Trek-like" to me. And I think Gene Roddenberry (the creator of the franchise) would have hated both of them. Since I don't really have much positive to say about either one, I think I'll leave it at that. Recommend avoiding all three movies in this timeline.

Both were FTVs on DVD.
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Also watched Elysium, with Matt Damon. I think this is the first Blomkamp SF movie I've seen so far. The others are District 9 and Chappie. Blomkamp likes robots. That much is clear.

This was a more engaging story for me than the Kelvin movies. But I wouldn't want to oversell it too much. Because I thought it had some problems as well. Mainly in the area of believability.

If you're going to make a story about rich folk living on a giant wheel in space, then you have to do a little more to develop that idea than just a line or two of explanation at the beginning. Too much was taken for granted in this, which made it hard for me to really buy into the characters and plot. Another FTV on DVD.
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The problem with Elysium above seems to be a common one in recent SF movies.

Alot of these movies begin with a really fantastic premise (or premises). Which is then left flapping in the breeze, with very little in the way of explanation, exposition, or evidence to support it. And the audience is apparently just supposed to accept it on faith.

Something like "Quatermass & the Pit" stands in stark contrast to this.

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Don't want you or anyone else to waste a couple hours or hard-earned $$ on something that isn't worthy. But more opinions are always welcome here, even on the "stinkers". I feel like I may already have discouraged some from watching movies like Red Planet, for example, which was not really my intent.
Which brings me back to Dune (1984), an odor that still lingers.

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Agree, agree, though I get the feeling over Ed Wood (1994) sometimes.

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The problem with Elysium above seems to be a common one in recent SF movies.

Alot of these movies begin with a really fantastic premise (or premises). Which is then left flapping in the breeze, with very little in the way of explanation, exposition, or evidence to support it. And the audience is apparently just supposed to accept it on faith.

Something like "Quatermass & the Pit" stands in stark contrast to this.
Exposition kills movies, kills their flow. Sort like online movie critics without editors. First rule of fiction: It's not real, Second rule: Accept it, Third rule: Cycle back to first rule. Scarlans corollary: The best Sci-Fi novels make the worst movies.
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I'd like to see how Earth handles one, before I'm in the good hands of Whispering Glades personnel.
Umm... Let's not, and say we did.

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I assume you're bein facetious or sarcastic or somethin, except for maybe that last bit about the novels. I'm too tired (read lazy) to come up with other examples though to make my point. So you win!

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Played Asteroids alot as a kid. So I should be ready if one comes our way.

I can see that the spirits are flowing well this Asteroid Day. There are alot of potential jokes I could make about mothers and robots btw. But I'm gonna take the high rode. There is a famous episode though of "The Twilight Zone" about robotic grandmothers written by Ray Bradbury called "I Sing the Body Electric". I'm sure most here have probably seen it.
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In spite of a few minor setbacks, I'm not giving up on this genre.

Still have these two on tap. And probably more on the way soon. So bring on the lousy SF y'all!!... The more the merrier.

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Which brings me back to Dune (1984), an odor that still lingers.
Haven't seen it in quite a few years. So I may have to add this to my watch list with some of the other stinkers.

At least it has Sean Young. And I wouldn't mind seeing it in HD, if that's feasible.



There was also a 3-part mini of this made for the Syfy channel in 2000 called Frank Herbert's Dune starring Bill Hurt as Leto Atreides, which wasn't too awful as I recall. And a 2003 sequel called Children of Dune with Susan Sarandon and Alice Krige. Both took home Emmy's for Visual Effects. And according to Wikipedia, they are still some of the highest rated programs to air on the Syfy channel.

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Lynch was very hard on himself with 'Dune', it actually has an epic quality despite it's flaws and doesn't look like other films. The TV adaptations feel very small screen.
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I found the TV version to be more than a bit porny...but the effects are much better in the TV version.


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I loved that game. Always wanted to pick up one of the old machines. There's some free online games, pretty decent but without the original controls it's missing the total feel.



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Asteroids is the last game I ever played, the arcade version of course. So I may be a bit behind on the state of the art.
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[QUOTE=ADU;58244648]Haven't seen it in quite a few years. So I may have to add this to my watch list with some of the other stinkers.

At least it has Sean Young. And I wouldn't mind seeing it in HD, if that's feasible.



Chani " Tell me of you home world Usul." Sean did not leave any impression on me. However, The Lady Jessica, I remembered. What a beauty. Though not perfect of course, having seen the books characters come to life in Dune, was more than pleasing to my teenage eyes at the time. Opening day for me.
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I've honestly not seen a movie/TV version of Dune yet that didn't make me vaguely nauseous, or even not so vaguely.

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