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Is it time for Paul McCartney to retire?

I came across the concert and can’t help but think, is it time for Sir Paul to retire? His voice is not what it should be, and will not be getting better as time goes on.
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No.


Should Elton John, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, Billy Joel, et. al.? As long as there are paying folks that enjoy their music, keep on!
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When i see Brian Wilson i think it might be time to retire, in fact he should have retired from singing in the eighties (the voice was gone even back then). On the other hand the guy is a genius and lots of people, even plenty of famous musicians, so happy seeing him live. I read about Janelle Monáe so happy having him singing on her album.
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No way this guy is a Beatle. I think of some of today so called musicians should retire.

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I don't know about whether he should or not, but i have retired from listening to him a long time ago.
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Should Elton John, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, Billy Joel, et. al.? As long as there are paying folks that enjoy their music, keep on!
True, I guess that’s what keeps the Wayniacs going to Vegas to hear Wayne Newton “sing” even though his singing voice is completely gone. I know because I have taken the Mrs three times to see him. after the third time I told her no more, his voice is gone and he does the same show every time.

The big difference with the others is their voices are still there. Sinatra could still sing til his dying day. Tom Jones, still rockin’ the same with Frankie Valli.

As a Beatles fan, it’s painful to hear him sing. That’s not the Paul I want to remember. At least Ringo still sound like Ringo.

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No way this guy is a Beatle. I think of some of today so called musicians should retire.
He hasn't been a Beatle since the early 70's.
Yeah... let's retire all of the "old people" to make room for the new so-called musicians.



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I don't know about whether he should or not, but i have retired from listening to him a long time ago.
I second that.

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He hasn't been a Beatle since the early 70's.
Yeah... let's retire all of the "old people" to make room for the new so-called musicians.
Did I say old? As I pointed out Tom Jones is still going strong. So is Paul Anka. They are the same age as PM. Engelbert is 85.

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You forgot to mention Tony Bennett.



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Of course we all know that the person you are referring to, is in fact, not Sir Paul. Somebody had to say it.
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Its not just about age, its about who can still carry a tune or not. Frankie, definitely became hard to listen to in his older days. Tony Bennet on the other hand, can still hit those notes and held is own singing with Winehouse, Diana Krall and Gaga. Not easy for anyone. Cant listen to Jagger now, though Elton and Tyler can still do a song justice. All in my opinion of course.

I was listening to a Concert by Stevie Winwood a few years back. he sounded the same as I remembered from when I first heard him singing 40,000 Headmen and Dear Mr Fantasy back in the 70's. A great voice.

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Elton can still sing well, but not anywhere close since throat surgery.


Agree with Sinatra, although tolerable.


"Little Anthony" Gourdine can still do justice to his talent.


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Robert Plant?
Roger Daltry?



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Tom Jones, Still hitting it! A Great voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5z...&frags=pl%2Cwn

Tom, singing the same song in his prime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vMx...&frags=pl%2Cwn
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Agree with Steve Winwood. Still like Lil Stevie Winwood, was what 15 years old starting out? Plant and Daltrey are right there at the edge. How about Stevie Nicks? Playing now, still sounds great.
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When I'm sixty-four?


But not at 77?

As long as folks want to buy Macca's albums and attend his concerts, more power to him.
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But not at 77?

As long as folks want to buy Macca's albums and attend his concerts, more power to him.
Like I said, the Wayniacs still show up, even though it’s obvious his voice is gone. He is playing Wild Horse Pass Casino south of Phoenix next month.

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Steve Perry hasn't lost a step. Actually the answer is none. He has lost none steps.



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I just find this a strange thread. So, if we come to a consensus, are we to write Paul and ask him to hang it up? I haven't liked much of his catalog (or much of the other three for that matter) since the Beatles split. I never thought he should retire then. He should do what he wants. He's earned it. People seem to be buying tickets still.
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I think what this thread was posted for is seeking corroboration to the theory put forth that his voice is gone and If so, why does he not know that, why is no-one telling him, and why is it that those who hear him, don't hear what he is hearing and continue to pay for his shows.. Myself, I concur with him and could not click on the vid posted of him singing, even briefly. Though I have not been much interested in him since he has been on his own. In my opinion of course.
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I think what this thread was posted for is seeking corroboration to the theory put forth that his voice is gone and If so, why does he not know that, why is no-one telling him, and why is it that those who hear him, don't hear what he is hearing and continue to pay for his shows.. Myself, I concur with him and could not click on the vid posted of him singing, even briefly. Though I have not been much interested in him since he has been on his own. In my opinion of course.
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For fans of his generation, going to see him is mostly nostalgia or like visiting an old friend/relative.

I think the thread poses a good question.

How does an artist know when to quit (i.e. retire) and/or do something different like acoustic sets, orchestral, or composing/producing for others?

Especially true for performers like singers. Losing your ability to play an instrument is probably more apparent and easier to accept retirement and stop performing that way.

Linda Ronstadt recognizes her inability to sing any longer, though due to a known condition-


Some celebs just didnt know when to quit- Dick Clark continuing the New Years Eve shows after his stroke(s), many bands/singers.

I saw Rush in 2011 for the Time Machine tour, and Geddy's voice was raspy and cracking on too many highs, embarrassing. Same goes for a Moody Blues performance I saw ~2000.
Also Yes after 2000 or so. Lots of other examples.

Could have been just a bad day on that leg of the tour, but you get the point.

Tough to those close to them to let them know.

There comes a point when they need to recognize where they are, enjoy their riches and hand the mike over to either a similar replacement (Steve Perry<> Jouney's Arnel) or a well regarded, technically competent and visually exciting tribute/cover band(s) (Rain <> Beatles/McCartney, Musical Box <> Genesis, etc)

That said, if a performer still's got the chops and will and technical ability, go for it (like Steve Hackett, others)

Elton John's voice the past ~20yrs has made me cringe
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Did I say old? As I pointed out Tom Jones is still going strong. So is Paul Anka. They are the same age as PM. Engelbert is 85.
Yes, standards crooners can last a long time if their voice holds up and/or ages well (shifting down an octave, etc). But if it doesn't, they need to recognize that.

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Speaking of being in tune, you can tell just from this kids speaking voice, how pure of tone he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdBu...&frags=pl%2Cwn
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And when he's 77... we'll check back!
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Eh, singers, just like pro athletes, don't need to perform in their seventies, as they did when young. A voice lasts much longer of course, but one's got to know when its time to hang up the towel and take that final bow.


On another note, it is not the old that interests me right now, its the Ancient and the modern. Ancient instruments, native throat singing, words of battle, blended with heavy metal, straight from Mongolia. A group called "The Hu"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8d...&frags=pl%2Cwn

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And IMHO... that decision lies with the artist and those who still wish to purchase media or concert tickets.


Pro-athlete to musician comparison? Jagger still moves better than any pro-athlete at 75.


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Ancient instruments, native throat singing, words of battle, blended with heavy metal, straight from Mongolia. A group called "The Hu"
Reminds me of a hybrid "We Will Rock You" and "Tusk".
I'm sure concert tickets are selling out in minutes.



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And IMHO... that decision lies with the artist and those who still wish to purchase media or concert tickets.


Pro-athlete to musician comparison? Jagger still moves better than any pro-athlete at 75.
Lol, While Jagger can still flail about for sure, I don't see him as being particularly coordinated. I bet he throws a ball like....a girl.
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Lol, While Jagger can still flail about for sure, I don't see him as being particularly coordinated. I bet he throws a ball like....a girl.
Never mind....
There goes the discussion.



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