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No sign of WUEK for several days now, and they were 24/7 until 2 or 3 weeks ago when they went off the air/reduced power.
You are getting the same results as me other than a brief period I caught, that 26 became dominant for an evening with 20 nearly dissappearing. 26 is pixelating a lot, is seldom watchable & occasionally does not decode at all.

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The only reply I got was that they would forward my email to the chief engineer who is in charge of the local DTV America stations. Haven't heard anything from either one since.

Stadium on WQDI 20.4 appears to be at the correct aspect ratio. My TV reports that the channel being transmitted in 16:9 480i. The picture fits the screen perfectly with no stretching or letterboxing.
I'm watching mostly on a 3:4 CRT, my bad, 26.1 appears to be Letterboxed, & 20.4 is Pictureframed (which I need to zoom or crop). I'll have to move the antenna to the Samsung to see how it comes out.
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You are getting the same results as me other than a brief period I caught, that 26 became dominant for an evening with 20 nearly dissappearing. 26 is pixelating a lot, is seldom watchable & occasionally does not decode at all.
Yep, same here with WUEK. Mostly it's a no-show, and when it does come in, it's unwatchable. WQDI on the other hand, went from never coming in to a steady solid signal. With it just being above the decode threshold, I have yet to see it break up. Because WQDI's reception is very close to what WEKA's was before signing off, I'm guessing that they are now broadcasting at their authorized 5 kW.

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Here's my Haier 48" TV after a Mohu Leaf 50 run without an amplifier against a living room window in Massillon's East end.

48 channels..Including a weak WIVM 39 on 11 and Watchable WIVX-LD on 13.

Searching out the next size Leaf with an amplifier..Excited to try it..
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This morning 52 channels including a weak Fox 8 and an almost watchable WGGN-52..Again on a Mohu Leaf 50 mile antenna with no Amplifier..Best I've ever done with an indoor antenna..

EDIT:Just did another scan and got a blip (No picture) of W16-DO for the first time. More importantly-All full power Cleveland area stations come in with a watchable picture..Including WOIO-19's Channel 24 Akron Translator..

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This morning 52 channels including a weak Fox 8 and an almost watchable WGGN-52..Again on a Mohu Leaf 50 mile antenna with no Amplifier..Best I've ever done with an indoor antenna..

EDIT:Just did another scan and got a blip (No picture) of W16-DO for the first time. More importantly-All full power Cleveland area stations come in with a watchable picture..Including WOIO-19's Channel 24 Akron Translator..
You do have the advantage of being at a higher level of elevation in Massillon which helps your reception I would imagine.

I have used a Mohu Leaf with the amplifier and it worked okay but it is not that sensitive for weak signals. In my case, WEAO was and still is the problem in the summer and a Clearstream 4 with an amplifier is one of the few I've tried outdoors that was not too large that will work for that problem. Too many trees and leaves in the way in the summer. But if it works for you, that is great.
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This review of a Winegard antenna was in Sunday's PD which is one of the few articles I've seen lately in the paper regarding OTA and cord cutting:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ous-tv-antenna

The link above is from the original source since it doesn't seem to be on the Cleveland.com site.
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This review of a Winegard antenna was in Sunday's PD which is one of the few articles I've seen lately in the paper regarding OTA and cord cutting:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ous-tv-antenna

The link above is from the original source since it doesn't seem to be on the Cleveland.com site.
Even with uBlock Origin and Ghostery the article was blocked on Android/Firefox... So used Outline: https://outline.com/brfdMU
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Even with uBlock Origin and Ghostery the article was blocked on Android/Firefox... So used Outline: https://outline.com/brfdMU
Same here with Adblock Plus. I eventually learned to quickly hit the stop button right before the page is done loading, which can sometimes prevent a website from detecting your ad blocker.

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I actually know the author of that article. He knows his stuff.
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Even with uBlock Origin and Ghostery the article was blocked on Android/Firefox... So used Outline: https://outline.com/brfdMU
Sorry to hear it was blocked. No issue using Safari on Mac but not currently using any add-on blocker.
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WBNX has announced on their Facebook page that they will be moving to their new frequency on August 2.
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WBNX has announced on their Facebook page that they will be moving to their new frequency on August 2.
Unless something has changed, they will be on reduced power from an aux antenna after the move because the equipment/tower crews to install the main top-mounted antenna won't be available in time. I think WEAO and WFMJ in Youngstown are also in the same boat IIRC.
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This morning 52 channels including a weak Fox 8 and an almost watchable WGGN-52..Again on a Mohu Leaf 50 mile antenna with no Amplifier..Best I've ever done with an indoor antenna..

EDIT:Just did another scan and got a blip (No picture) of W16-DO for the first time. More importantly-All full power Cleveland area stations come in with a watchable picture..Including WOIO-19's Channel 24 Akron Translator..

There was tropo yesterday morning. It was the first time I got WOUC to decode since they moved to DT 6. I also got W38ET (the WVIZ repeater) to decode on their new RF channel 19. Columbus was full scale... WCMH, WBNS, WTTE (on their new DT 27), WWHO, and WSYX. Also new logs here recently from last week... Flint Michigan area DTVs WAQP 48/49 and WJRT 12. Also had WLFG 14/68 Grundy VA decode (almost 300 miles). Also noteworthy were south Florida FMs via e-skip on Sunday... actually had RDS from an LP FM from Miami, 92.7 WMXR-LP (64 watts).
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There was tropo yesterday morning. It was the first time I got WOUC to decode since they moved to DT 6. I also got W38ET (the WVIZ repeater) to decode on their new RF channel 19. Columbus was full scale... WCMH, WBNS, WTTE (on their new DT 27), WWHO, and WSYX. Also new logs here recently from last week... Flint Michigan area DTVs WAQP 48/49 and WJRT 12. Also had WLFG 14/68 Grundy VA decode (almost 300 miles). Also noteworthy were south Florida FMs via e-skip on Sunday... actually had RDS from an LP FM from Miami, 92.7 WMXR-LP (64 watts).
That's part of the reason I am so hopeful about this new setup. The chance of getting a little DX on occasion. This evening I actually got a watchable picture on 16 Cleveland for a few hours..Gone now as is WQHS 61, Though it will probably pop in again sometime tomorrow.
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Unless something has changed, they will be on reduced power from an aux antenna after the move because the equipment/tower crews to install the main top-mounted antenna won't be available in time. I think WEAO and WFMJ in Youngstown are also in the same boat IIRC.

I can see that the former WDLI tower now has the transmitter stick straightened out and in place for when WVPX moves there on channel 22. I have not seen any work at the WEAO tower, and I drive by it every day. August 2nd is the last day of phase 4 of the repack, so since they're waiting until the last day, then you know some aren't ready. But they'll be forced to move, just like WTTE Columbus has had a temporary aux antenna.


WBNX, WYTV, WQHS, WKYC, WFMJ are all linked and must move at the same time. And these are also linked to many other stations. Someone is probably gonna screw this up.
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I can see that the former WDLI tower now has the transmitter stick straightened out and in place for when WVPX moves there on channel 22. I have not seen any work at the WEAO tower, and I drive by it every day. August 2nd is the last day of phase 4 of the repack, so since they're waiting until the last day, then you know some aren't ready. But they'll be forced to move, just like WTTE Columbus has had a temporary aux antenna.


WBNX, WYTV, WQHS, WKYC, WFMJ are all linked and must move at the same time. And these are also linked to many other stations. Someone is probably gonna screw this up.
Supposedly the tower crews are behind due to bad weather. Also, some equipment (transmitters, antennas, etc) is back-ordered and won't be delivered on time.
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Someone is probably gonna screw this up.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. This repack is already confusing the way it is.

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I have not seen any work at the WEAO tower, and I drive by it every day. August 2nd is the last day of phase 4 of the repack, so since they're waiting until the last day, then you know some aren't ready. But they'll be forced to move, just like WTTE Columbus has had a temporary aux antenna.


The attachment to this says the tower crew has "verbally promised" to install the side-mounted aux antenna prior to the deadline (if they don't, will the station be forced off the air or can they stay on RF50 until at least the aux antenna is installed?)

They are requesting a delay for the main antenna until January 2020.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...6ae56abb9c0697
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Spectrum Auction Complete Results

I posted this in the Youngstown thread but thought it would be of interest here. Thanks to Trip for the heads-up on where to find this.

They finally released the complete auction results. There were 3 unsuccessful stages of the auction prior to the fourth one that closed. The first stage would have only left up to channel 29, 2nd up to 31, and 3rd up to 32 IIRC.

WKYC, WEWS, WJW, WOIO, WBNX(surprisingly) and WEAO(also somewhat surprisingly) did not participate in the auction at all. WVPX and W16DO were in but dropped out in Stage 1.

If Stage 1 had succeeded, WVIZ would have gone to high-VHF, WQHS would have gone off the air, along with WFMJ and WNEO (Youngstown would have been left with one full-power station WYTV). Of course all the winning bidders from Stage 4 would be gone too - WUAB, WKBN, WDLI, and WRLM. And WGGN would have gone off-air instead of to the electrostatic pit.

WVIZ dropped out in Stage 2. WFMJ, WNEO, and WQHS were in all the way up to Stage 4 but dropped out during the bidding.

FWIW.

https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/p...everse-results
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I posted this in the Youngstown thread but thought it would be of interest here. Thanks to Trip for the heads-up on where to find this.

They finally released the complete auction results. There were 3 unsuccessful stages of the auction prior to the fourth one that closed. The first stage would have only left up to channel 29, 2nd up to 31, and 3rd up to 32 IIRC.

WKYC, WEWS, WJW, WOIO, WBNX(surprisingly) and WEAO(also somewhat surprisingly) did not participate in the auction at all. WVPX and W16DO were in but dropped out in Stage 1.

If Stage 1 had succeeded, WVIZ would have gone to high-VHF, WQHS would have gone off the air, along with WFMJ and WNEO (Youngstown would have been left with one full-power station WYTV). Of course all the winning bidders from Stage 4 would be gone too - WUAB, WKBN, WDLI, and WRLM. And WGGN would have gone off-air instead of to the electrostatic pit.

WVIZ dropped out in Stage 2. WFMJ, WNEO, and WQHS were in all the way up to Stage 4 but dropped out during the bidding.

FWIW.

https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/p...everse-results
WADL in Detroit was another one that participated in the auction. Because its independently owned & operated (like WBNX), it's owner just wanted to sell off the station and exit the TV business, though continuing to operate his Word Network. In the end, WADL's frequency was not sold off, and the station continues to air today. It will move from RF 38 over to RF 27.

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WADL in Detroit was another one that participated in the auction. Because its independently owned & operated (like WBNX), it's owner just wanted to sell off the station and exit the TV business, though continuing to operate his Word Network. In the end, WADL's frequency was not sold off, and the station continues to air today. It will move from RF 38 over to RF 27.
WADL was a winning Stage 1 bidder, but dropped out in the middle of Stage 2 when the price dropped to around $157 million.

WBNX wasn't in at all which is really surprising considering Angley's money woes. I guess WBNX must make a ton of money.
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The prices were still sky-high at the end of Stage 1. WFMJ would have made $143 million, WNEO $121 million, WQHS $128 million.

The prices quickly dropped to earth as channels were added back. For example, WQHS would have made $89M for stage 2, and $76 million for Stage 3. For stage 4 they exited when the price dropped to around $35 million, which is in the neighborhood of what WUAB/WRLM/WDLI made.
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This review of a Winegard antenna was in Sunday's PD which is one of the few articles I've seen lately in the paper regarding OTA and cord cutting:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ous-tv-antenna

The link above is from the original source since it doesn't seem to be on the Cleveland.com site.
I read the article in the PD, would that withstand the heat cold cycles & the Dallas area is relatively flat terrain. I would wonder if that would outperform my old RS 120V model in the attic though?

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This morning 52 channels including a weak Fox 8 and an almost watchable WGGN-52..Again on a Mohu Leaf 50 mile antenna with no Amplifier..Best I've ever done with an indoor antenna..

EDIT:Just did another scan and got a blip (No picture) of W16-DO for the first time. More importantly-All full power Cleveland area stations come in with a watchable picture..Including WOIO-19's Channel 24 Akron Translator..
You must have elevation being that far, I only can receive 61 & or 5, & occasionally 3 with an indoor... 43 was the strongest on the indoor suprising (but very medium signal on the outdoor), before they paired up with WOIO... which now only comes in 5% of the time.... yes things do get better!


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There was tropo yesterday morning. I also got W38ET (the WVIZ repeater) to decode on their new RF channel 19.
I'm surprised Andrew K that wouldn't be booming into Akron Ohio, I never decoded the 38 repeater, but the one on 19 is nearly as strong as WVIZ, I should try it on the indoor before it goes away, but it being on physical 19, my set would not let me add without a total re-scan.

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If Stage 1 had succeeded, WVIZ would have gone to high-VHF, WQHS would have gone off the air, along with WFMJ and WNEO (Youngstown would have been left with one full-power station WYTV). Of course all the winning bidders from Stage 4 would be gone too - WUAB, WKBN, WDLI, and WRLM. And WGGN would have gone off-air instead of to the electrostatic pit.


https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/p...everse-results
& then I would had needed the VIZ repeater.

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You can see W16DO dropping from a whopping $184 million in Stage 1, Round 1 down to $718 thousand by the last round where they dropped out. Must be because they were super-easy to repack because of their small footprint and location in the Parma farm. The previous round bid was 2.6 million which Media-Com would have apparently accepted.
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& then I would had needed the VIZ repeater.
Fortunately the wireless companies weren't willing to shell out anywhere near the 80-some billion to buy out the stations at these prices.

Just think of Youngstown with only one station left.

WQHS probably would have ended up channel-sharing with some station.
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Fortunately the wireless companies weren't willing to shell out anywhere near the 80-some billion to buy out the stations at these prices.

Just think of Youngstown with only one station left.

WQHS probably would have ended up channel-sharing with some station.
Eventually they may be willing to shell it out as long as there is a demand for cellco. so where will this end... 20 channels left?... WQHS's signal is dominant out here.
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I read the article in the PD, would that withstand the heat cold cycles & the Dallas area is relatively flat terrain. I would wonder if that would outperform my old RS 120V model in the attic though?


That would be an issue as for the heat/cold and a lot of these newer antennas are made of plastic or what looks like it like the Clearstream 4 I have but it is only about three years old. I have used a Radio Shack amplified 15-2186 model outside for around ten years and it still works fine but it isn't large enough to get WEAO at my location but I have it on a switch so I can use it if the Clearstream 4 is having an issue which normally it does not.
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That would be an issue as for the heat/cold and a lot of these newer antennas are made of plastic or what looks like it like the Clearstream 4 I have but it is only about three years old. I have used a Radio Shack amplified 15-2186 model outside for around ten years and it still works fine but it isn't large enough to get WEAO at my location but I have it on a switch so I can use it if the Clearstream 4 is having an issue which normally it does not.

The UV protectors added to the plastics usually are good for about 20 years. (That's what they say but you know that embellishment prevails here.)

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Picking up Channels 2 and 11 from Pittsburgh..A picture on FOX 8 and a signal on WOIO's channel 10, which caused the Akron Translator to show up as 24-1, 2, 3, and 4..Near signals from 7 and 9, though they didn't hold..
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Ironically, Stage 1 succeeding might have resolved the WOIO/CFPL issue.

WTOL/11 and WTOV/9 would have gone off-air, and WMFD/12 would have moved to low-VHF along with WVIZ moving to high-VHF. This almost certainly would have required reshuffling high-VHF channels in the area resulting in WOIO or CFPL or both being moved off RF10.
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