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The UV protectors added to the plastics usually are good for about 20 years. (That's what they say but you know that embellishment prevails here.)

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Good to know but I would imagine that the amplifier and/or power inserter will give out first as many of these power supplies run warm to hot and don't always last.
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WMYD Detroit was seen this morning in Akron testing on their new DTV channel 31. I saw the real channel still on RF 21, but also a test slide on 31.
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Came across this today: https://www.geniatech.com/product/a683/
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WMYD Detroit was seen this morning in Akron testing on their new DTV channel 31. I saw the real channel still on RF 21, but also a test slide on 31.
That's the station WYTV has an interference agreement with, only 2.59% predicted. Little early for testing.
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WQDI 20.x decoding here for the first time ever, though constantly breaking up.

WUEK 26.x also in at 16 dB (lower than the 19 dB from when they were coming in consistently a while back), so it's probably just atmospherics. Looks like they fixed their encoders as it is decoding fine now on my Sony TV while it was previously an unwatchable mess.

Also noticed their ID is now WUEK Canton not Cleveland anymore (like you can get it anywhere near Canton).

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Came across this today: https://www.geniatech.com/product/a683/
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Nice. Now if they can only make one that has 4 tuners and can be controlled by my TiVo software
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Troppy Signals flying in this morning. Got numerous area stations.

WHIZ 18 with a 90 signal!

Saw The 'Y' channels and WKBN (RF-36) and TV 21.

WMFD 68.2 still has crappy, cartoon-looking weather graphics. Horrible music genre was playing. I couldn't stand it... I quickly scanned away.

18.2 (Cozee) had the B&W 'The Lone Ranger'. Good B&W.

52.1, 52.2, and 52.4 were the only 3 active channels. .3 and .5 and .7 are gone for now.

All this with my indoor ClearStream-4 pointed to the WWWWWNW.

I have no interest anymore in whether I receive TV-52 or not. I get the few Prophecy content programs that are on 52 from the YouTube channels and don't have to put-up with unscheduled repeats I've seen from 52 and all the OTA stations that use the smaller KU-Band dishes over the recent years. When they get rain-fade or snow/ice blocking the signals and thus miss downloading the program, they have to air a repeat of a previous airing of a program. This happens way too often from what I witnessed with 52, 17-TBN and TCT over the years.

Basic Cable and the InterNet (and Streaming) are my main sources. High reliability.

Are there any OTA stations still using the C-Band, large dishes anymore?


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Some FM stuffs were coming in this morning on DX including Zanesville and London, Ont. On the same frequency 92.7..Bellefontaine, Ohio on 92.1and WCRF'S NEW Castle Repeater on 91.9.

On my CCrane receiver I have 7 possible
channels for NOAA Weather. At least 4 were acitve possibly 5. Aside from the usual Akron, New Philly and Youngstown stations I was getting Butler (near Mansfield) and a station I would guess is from Steubenville/Wheeling.

Also WAKR-1590 Akron has fired up their FM Translator on 93.5..l am picking it up in Massillon for the time being until WTIG fires up it's translator on the same channel.

All that to say this. I should have checked out my TV this morning..
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On my CCrane receiver, I have 7 possible channels for NOAA Weather...


I got two crippled cCranes. The displays show partial digits. The earphone jack is messed-up on one. I use the analog TV Channels 7-13 as 'White Noise' for sleeping. There are times where I can get all 7 NOAA channels. Typically, I can get 2, 3, or 4 of them. I use channel 2 as 'Radio Radar' to listen for lightning static. Back in the day, I'd dial-in a blank spot on the AM radio to hear distant lightning.


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Nice. Now if they can only make one that has 4 tuners and can be controlled by my TiVo software
ATSC 3.0 on a TiVo: https://zatznotfunny.com/2019-04/tivo-atsc-3/
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WVIZ's signal on RF 26 has been notably lower the past 2 days, so I wanted to compare the Thompson repeater... I'm getting a really high signal with no decoding, no info or picture on RF 19, since I first checked Saturday night... still the same this morning.
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I completely lost Channel 25 here in Massillon as of last night, after having 2-3 bars pretty consistently on my Haier Tuner the last couple weeks..4 bars is a perfect picture..
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I got two crippled cCranes. The displays show partial digits. The earphone jack is messed-up on one. I use the analog TV Channels 7-13 as 'White Noise' for sleeping. There are times where I can get all 7 NOAA channels. Typically, I can get 2, 3, or 4 of them. I use channel 2 as 'Radio Radar' to listen for lightning static. Back in the day, I'd dial-in a blank spot on the AM radio to hear distant lightning.


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There are 10 "weather channels", only 7 are used by NOAA. There is Great Lakes marine forecasts from Canada on the other 2-3 channels not used by NOAA.
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WVIZ's signal on RF 26 has been notably lower the past 2 days, so I wanted to compare the Thompson repeater... I'm getting a really high signal with no decoding, no info or picture on RF 19, since I first checked Saturday night... still the same this morning.
I was driving behind a green pick-up truck with Ham plates on Broadview Rd. Sunday. He pulled into the WKYC/WVIZ tower site driveway. Perhaps he was working on the WVIZ transmitter (unless each station has a separate engineer when they share a tower). I looked up his call on QRZ.He works for WKYC in the "electronic maintenance department".
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Troppy Signals flying in this morning. Got numerous area stations.

WHIZ 18 with a 90 signal!

Saw The 'Y' channels and WKBN (RF-36) and TV 21.

WMFD 68.2 still has crappy, cartoon-looking weather graphics. Horrible music genre was playing. I couldn't stand it... I quickly scanned away.

18.2 (Cozee) had the B&W 'The Lone Ranger'. Good B&W.

52.1, 52.2, and 52.4 were the only 3 active channels. .3 and .5 and .7 are gone for now.

All this with my indoor ClearStream-4 pointed to the WWWWWNW.

I have no interest anymore in whether I receive TV-52 or not. I get the few Prophecy content programs that are on 52 from the YouTube channels and don't have to put-up with unscheduled repeats I've seen from 52 and all the OTA stations that use the smaller KU-Band dishes over the recent years. When they get rain-fade or snow/ice blocking the signals and thus miss downloading the program, they have to air a repeat of a previous airing of a program. This happens way too often from what I witnessed with 52, 17-TBN and TCT over the years.

Basic Cable and the InterNet (and Streaming) are my main sources. High reliability.

Are there any OTA stations still using the C-Band, large dishes anymore?


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all ota stations employ c band,that's how they receive network and syndicated programmimg which they record and air at their disposal
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Lost 8, 19 & 43 in West Park

I'm off W 150th, just south of Puritas, north of I-480 and Brook Park Rd. Channel 43 has been absent here for several months, but as of the last maybe 2 weeks, 8 and 19 also completely gone. I may get an occasional blip of a broken up pic on 8 at times, nada on 19 and 43. I get (including any subs) 3, 5, 16, 17, 20, 23, 25, 26, 47, 49, 55 and 61. 47 and especially 49 are hit or miss.

No roof antenna, but tried 2 antennas in a south facing attic window with nothing that I see blocking the signal from the antenna farm to the SE, but maybe trees several backyards away. I have used a simple old school bowtie UHF antenna coaxed to near that window for several years and always got 8, 19, and 43. No cable or satellite here.

I realize 8 and 19 are actually VHF and relatively low power, but again, used to get them fine on my set-up. I tried the bowtie, as well as a square plastic Terk antenna which I assume is similar to the Leaf but prolly thicker, in all kinds of orientations around the window and a little inside. The simple bowtie actually outperforms the Terk. I have no amplification, but is split to 2 TV's.

Found the best position is still what I had for years, as been tried before, which is maybe 4 feet inside jammed into a ceiling tile groove, flat and horizontal. Any closer to the window, I lose 16, 20 and the Akron channels.

Anyone else in the West Park/Brook Park border area having trouble with 8. 19 and 43? I can live without 19 and 43 for now, but I do like the news on 8. Not the biggest TV fan, but when I want to watch something would like it to be there.

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I'm off W 150th, just south of Puritas, north of I-480 and Brook Park Rd. Channel 43 has been absent here for several months, but as of the last maybe 2 weeks, 8 and 19 also completely gone. I may get an occasional blip of a broken up pic on 8 at times, nada on 19 and 43. I get (including any subs) 3, 5, 16, 17, 20, 23, 25, 26, 47, 49, 55 and 61. 47 and especially 49 are hit or miss.

No roof antenna, but tried 2 antennas in a south facing attic window with nothing that I see blocking the signal from the antenna farm to the SE, but maybe trees several backyards away. I have used a simple old school bowtie UHF antenna coaxed to near that window for several years and always got 8, 19, and 43. No cable or satellite here.

I realize 8 and 19 are actually VHF and relatively low power, but again, used to get them fine on my set-up. I tried the bowtie, as well as a square plastic Terk antenna which I assume is similar to the Leaf but prolly thicker, in all kinds of orientations around the window and a little inside. The simple bowtie actually outperforms the Terk. I have no amplification, but is split to 2 TV's.

Found the best position is still what I had for years, as been tried before, which is maybe 4 feet inside jammed into a ceiling tile groove, flat and horizontal. Any closer to the window, I lose 16, 20 and the Akron channels.

Anyone else in the West Park/Brook Park border area having trouble with 8. 19 and 43? I can live without 19 and 43 for now, but I do like the news on 8. Not the biggest TV fan, but when I want to watch something would like it to be there.
I would image both WJW & WOIO/WUAB would boom in at your location regardless on which antenna you use. 61 was at reduced power a few weeks ago, but even that shouldn't affect your reception.

Can you receive WLFM's 3 watt signal? Is there any static/harmonics in the picture? Did a cell phone transmitter recently go up close by? A low-power FM broadcast? What about your cabling? Make sure it's all RG6 and not the cheap RG59 which causes signal loss and can act as an antenna itself due to it's poor shielding. Also make sure all the coax fittings are secured and the shielding isn't touching the center pin. Have you tried switching out/bypassing the splitter and/or any baluns? Bad splitters and baluns have a tendency block out certain frequencies when they fail.

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Anyone else in the West Park/Brook Park border area having trouble with 8. 19 and 43? I can live without 19 and 43 for now, but I do like the news on 8. Not the biggest TV fan, but when I want to watch something would like it to be there.
Any new Electronics... ie: a LED/CFL dimming lamp nearby? I suspect a lot of this interference comes from such.

Half of 8's news really isn't news, just a lot of special interest feely good stories.

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I was driving behind a green pick-up truck with Ham plates on Broadview Rd. Sunday. He pulled into the WKYC/WVIZ tower site driveway. Perhaps he was working on the WVIZ transmitter (unless each station has a separate engineer when they share a tower). I looked up his call on QRZ.He works for WKYC in the "electronic maintenance department".
Why I discontinued my call sign plates, with all records being easily accessible, though then they do make nice shack wall hangings now.

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What about your cabling? Make sure it's all RG6 and not the cheap RG59 which causes signal loss and can act as an antenna itself due to it's poor shielding. Also make sure all the coax fittings are secured and the shielding isn't touching the center pin. Have you tried switching out/bypassing the splitter and/or any baluns? Bad splitters and baluns have a tendency block out certain frequencies when they fail.
My place was hardwired with 59, & I always had issues with the flimsy shielding with 6, & never noted much difference, however the QS6 was quite an improvement with UHF.
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WVIZ's signal on RF 26 has been notably lower the past 2 days, so I wanted to compare the Thompson repeater... I'm getting a really high signal with no decoding, no info or picture on RF 19, since I first checked Saturday night... still the same this morning.
Maybe it's related to this, they are applying for a lower-power side-mount transmitter/antenna on RF26 while the main stick is replaced with the RF35 one for the August changeover.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...6abd52e5870643
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I'm off W 150th, just south of Puritas, north of I-480 and Brook Park Rd. Channel 43 has been absent here for several months, but as of the last maybe 2 weeks, 8 and 19 also completely gone. I may get an occasional blip of a broken up pic on 8 at times, nada on 19 and 43. I get (including any subs) 3, 5, 16, 17, 20, 23, 25, 26, 47, 49, 55 and 61. 47 and especially 49 are hit or miss.

No roof antenna, but tried 2 antennas in a south facing attic window with nothing that I see blocking the signal from the antenna farm to the SE, but maybe trees several backyards away. I have used a simple old school bowtie UHF antenna coaxed to near that window for several years and always got 8, 19, and 43. No cable or satellite here.

I realize 8 and 19 are actually VHF and relatively low power, but again, used to get them fine on my set-up. I tried the bowtie, as well as a square plastic Terk antenna which I assume is similar to the Leaf but prolly thicker, in all kinds of orientations around the window and a little inside. The simple bowtie actually outperforms the Terk. I have no amplification, but is split to 2 TV's.

Found the best position is still what I had for years, as been tried before, which is maybe 4 feet inside jammed into a ceiling tile groove, flat and horizontal. Any closer to the window, I lose 16, 20 and the Akron channels.

Anyone else in the West Park/Brook Park border area having trouble with 8. 19 and 43? I can live without 19 and 43 for now, but I do like the news on 8. Not the biggest TV fan, but when I want to watch something would like it to be there.
I have posted this link before but it may help you figure out your problem in addition to other suggestions posted:

http://dennysantennaservice.com/vhf-...erference.html

CFL and LED lights are one problem. In the article, a heated pet blanket is mentioned as another one. But as Snowdog mentioned, it could be something simple like your splitter or cable. Just recently, I was having trouble with Ch. 8 which is always strong but recently I had moved the tv sideways to get into the cabinet due to a problem with a DVD player. Apparently, something was either a bit loose or touching something that caused 8 to go out as when I simply started moving my preamp and cables, 8 came back. All other channels were working fine including WEAO so I know it wasn't the amp itself but probably a loose connection or maybe a bad cable I will need to replace.
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http://dennysantennaservice.com/vhf-...erference.html

CFL and LED lights are one problem. In the article, a heated pet blanket is mentioned as another one.
I'm having a hard time believing that the problem could be interference from an energy saving bulb or appliance. I would think at his location, he could literately see the tower farm from the top of his roof, so electrical interference shouldn't be much of a problem. I suppose cheap LED bulbs could be an issue on the high-VHF band if far enough away and probably on the low-VHF band at any distance, but I'm not 100% certain. All I can say is that I have replaced almost every incandescent bulb in my house with LED's and have yet to see any new interference, even on AM.

To add to the list of possible problems, multipath (ghosting in the analog days) could be something to take into consideration. Something like aluminum siding, metal roofs, sound barrier walls, etc can cause havoc with VHF by reflecting their signals and creating "duplicate" broadcasts, especially within close distance of the transmitter.

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I'm having a hard time believing that the problem could be interference from an energy saving bulb or appliance. I would think at his location, he could literately see the tower farm from the top of his roof, so electrical interference shouldn't be much of a problem. I suppose cheap LED bulbs could be an issue on the high-VHF band if far enough away and probably on the low-VHF band at any distance, but I'm not 100% certain. All I can say is that I have replaced almost every incandescent bulb in my house with LED's and have yet to see any new interference, even on AM.

To add to the list of possible problems, multipath (ghosting in the analog days) could be something to take into consideration. Something like aluminum siding, metal roofs, sound barrier walls, etc can cause havoc with VHF by reflecting their signals and creating "duplicate" broadcasts, especially within close distance of the transmitter.
Switching power supplies (especially poorly shielded cheap chinese crap ones) can wreak havoc with VHF, even with strong signals.
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Maybe it's related to this, they are applying for a lower-power side-mount transmitter/antenna on RF26 while the main stick is replaced with the RF35 one for the August changeover.

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/da...6abd52e5870643
I drove past the WKYC tower recently and noticed the WVIZ side mount transmitter is much lower now.
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I drove past the WKYC tower recently and noticed the WVIZ side mount transmitter is much lower now.
Do you think they're using it yet? I checked WVIZ last night and their signal was about the same.

I assume that WKYC will be using their auxiliary antenna during the main antenna replacement. Then once the top antennas are replaced with the repacked ones, WKYC's auxiliary antenna will be replaced with one for RF 19.

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I'm having a hard time believing that the problem could be interference from an energy saving bulb or appliance. I would think at his location, he could literately see the tower farm from the top of his roof, so electrical interference shouldn't be much of a problem. I suppose cheap LED bulbs could be an issue on the high-VHF band if far enough away and probably on the low-VHF band at any distance, but I'm not 100% certain. All I can say is that I have replaced almost every incandescent bulb in my house with LED's and have yet to see any new interference, even on AM..
I suspect that being in a condo myself & close proximity of neighbors, I suspect a few of my issues are related to neighbors lighting, etc. Even my own Roku stick knocks off VHF & diminishes UHF on my one set. (I'm still looking @ a solution on another thread of AVS, but it takes a back burner since I don't use the tuner on that set much.)
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Thanks much snowdog 88, Bismarck440, jkeldo, and nsa1062 (hope I didn't miss anyone), gives me stuff to look at. Something I didn't think of, I had installed a Roku stick in my TV's HDMI port maybe a year ago, and more recently a Chromecast dongle as well as a FireTV stick. I don't want to pull those tonight, but I just got in back of the TV, seen the splitter to the TV and the OTA DVR/DVD burner/ATSC tuner combo. Made sure everything was tight, and I forgot I had an inline amp plugged in right there as well, and made sure that was working. What I been trying was the Philps DVR maybe 10 years old as it always seems to be a little more sensitive than the TV tuner, and if the TV won't get the channel, the DVR prolly will.

Tried again, did a re-scan, and 8 was trying, but too pixelated, still no 19 or 43, but all the others well, even PBS 49. I then tried the TV itself, scanned, and said it picked up 57 channels. Did get 8 a little better, but still dropouts, and a pixelated 19 and 43, so getting somewhere.

Upstairs where my bowtie antenna is, there is nothing electrical going on as far a bulbs/appliaves/dimmers, etc, unless neighbors have something in their house across the driveway, and all the electric comes into my house a few feet away. I knew about the AM radio thing, but the AM noise level is very high all around the house, all rooms, upstairs and basement. I have 3 PC's going full time, plus a wifi router, security cameras, etc. I do have aluminum siding.

The coax I have is old, and prolly not the good one, and the way it's fed thru the house I can't access it all. But again, it worked good enough till recently. Still, no matter what's interfering, other than blockage of the 8, 19 and 43 signals outside somewhere, why am I getting stations like 49 rock solid, which I hear someone as far NW as I am may have problems getting it on a roof antenna. Also 17 and 47, both Akron? I may try to combine a VHF antenna in the mix, I didn't know 43 shares 10 with 19 until I just looked it up. I didn't think that would be possible mapping to 2 different channel numbers. But no use putting any real money into this, as I plan on moving this fall. I'll try to work with what I have here, again thanks all.

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The coax I have is old, and prolly not the good one, and the way it's fed thru the house I can't access it all. But again, it worked good enough till recently. Still, no matter what's interfering, other than blockage of the 8, 19 and 43 signals outside somewhere, why am I getting stations like 49 rock solid, which I hear someone as far NW as I am may have problems getting it on a roof antenna.
If you're getting 49 rock solid where you are, but not 8/19/43, it's not the coax, it's got to be interference wiping out VHF. And everything generates interference these days - if I put an AM radio next to my electric toothbrush charger even WTAM gets trashed if it's charging. I'm sure it would mess up VHF if it were near an indoor antenna. Ditto for the battery chargers for my drill and weed eater.

And the higher UHF channels (like 49 on RF50) tend to suffer more from bad coax and connectors than the VHF stations.


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I didn't know 43 shares 10 with 19 until I just looked it up. I didn't think that would be possible mapping to 2 different channel numbers.
43 is really just a subchannel of 19, but they set it up to map to 43.1 instead of something like 19.3. This is entirely a consequence of the recent spectrum auction (43 was a separate UHF signal prior to January 2018).

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