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Maybe my problems are just tropo. Now WVIZ and WQHS are gone (with my antenna pointed right at the Parma farm), heartbeats below the decode threshold. WBNX is fine and full strength along with everybody else (even the Akron stations are OK with the antenna pointed away from the Akron farm). Even getting heartbeats on RF23 and 25 (the DTV America stations).

Probably the LTE filter knocks RF35 and 36 down enough for tropo to kill them. Can't win I guess.

Seeing heartbeats on a bunch of VHF channels including RF6 and RF4 (and my new antenna isn't supposed to work on Low VHF).
I just checked WBNX and it's coming in at 35-36 dB, which is much stronger compared to 32-33 dB that I usually get, both from their interim and main antenna, and that's also falling almost inside their southeastern null. Haven't checked the others or vacant stations yet, but I remember a few months ago when the tropo was up that almost every Cleveland station was affected, some with barely decoding signals. Oddly enough, WVIZ and WQHS both came in with all the bars.

Also, you mentioned that you're using a pre-amp. Aren't you located in an area where most of the full power stations provide a strong stable signal? (Green per Trip's maps).

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I just checked WBNX and it's coming in at 35-36 dB, which is much stronger compared to 32-33 dB that I usually get, both from their interim and main antenna, and that's also falling almost inside their southeastern null. Haven't checked the others or vacant stations yet, but I remember a few months ago when the tropo was up that almost every Cleveland station was affected, some with barely decoding signals. Oddly enough, WVIZ and WQHS both came in with all the bars.

Also, you mentioned that you're using a pre-amp. Aren't you located in an area where most of the full power stations provide a strong stable signal? (Green per Trip's maps).
WVIZ is back but weak. WQHS is still not decoding. Still getting heartbeats on a bunch of VHF channels, with RF6 the strongest but not decoding (and no trace of LaMega on analog). Must be the Cambridge PBS.

The preamp is mostly to compensate for a very long cable run (the antenna is on a shed and cable is buried in PVC conduit between the shed and house) and splitters. The cable is expensive ham radio cable (forget the designation but it is lower loss on UHF than RG6). Without the preamp the signals on the UHF channels are very weak.

EDIT: It's probably WNLO in Buffalo wiping out WQHS. I got them a few times on their pre-repack channel (32). In Aurora your antenna is probably pointed west away from them.

https://www.rabbitears.info/repackma...annel=36&adj=N

EDIT2: Probablly the WVIZ culprit is CHCJ in Hamilton

https://www.rabbitears.info/repackma...annel=35&adj=N

I guess we can look forward to this during tropo season with the stations now packed like sardines.

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I just checked WBNX and it's coming in at 35-36 dB, which is much stronger compared to 32-33 dB that I usually get, both from their interim and main antenna, and that's also falling almost inside their southeastern null
WBNX is likewise stronger than usual here for now (30 dB vs 26-27 dB typically). We'll see if it gets chewed up around 9 or 10 tonight like the last few nights. Hard to figure out who the culprit is since everything on RF17 in Canada, Western NY and Western PA is low power. Unless its something from the east coast like WPHL or WPXQ.
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WBNX is likewise stronger than usual here for now (30 dB vs 26-27 dB typically). We'll see if it gets chewed up around 9 or 10 tonight like the last few nights. Hard to figure out who the culprit is since everything on RF17 in Canada, Western NY and Western PA is low power. Unless its something from the east coast like WPHL or WPXQ.
I checked at 9:00, 9:30 & 10:00 and got a steady 34-35 dB signal from WBNX.

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I checked at 9:00, 9:30 & 10:00 and got a steady 34-35 dB signal from WBNX.
At a little before 9 the signal meter started bouncing around from as low as the high teens to upper 20's (dB). A few breakups but not too bad. As late as 8:45 is was 29-30 dB. It's mostly OK again after 10. Sure looks like multipath but why only in the evening?

WQHS is still gone. WVIZ still getting stomped on (steady high teens dB) but watchable.

And the "VHF nightmares" are great - 34 dB on WJW and 30+ on WOIO.
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Count me, also. I got the original JetStream, then later, FlavorWave Ovens, after a number of times watching the infomercials. I think these are the only 2 products I've ever purchased from an infomercial. I've used the FlavorWave/NuWave for years, until somewhat recently, where I stored-away the IR oven in favor of the Instant Pot Pressure Cooker.


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They deliver what they promise?

One can only fit so many small appliances in their kitchen. I don't have a small kitchen but not a McMansion one by any means. I like my Foreman grill but they are buried under other pots and pans it's become more of a hassle just to.get them out.

Some it is best to keep the basics! Our generations of excess.

Btw, no issues with 55 or 61 out my way!

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They deliver what they promise?

One can only fit so many small appliances in their kitchen. I don't have a small kitchen but not a McMansion one by any means. I like my Foreman grill but they are buried under other pots and pans it's become more of a hassle just to.get them out.

Some it is best to keep the basics! Our generations of excess.

Btw, no issues with 55 or 61 out my way!
61 is still gone. 25 is weak but OK and 55 is full strength today. But 55 is always fine in the daytime.
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I've noticed some problems with 55 the last couple weeks. I don't normally watch 55 or any of their subchannels, but while channel surfing in the evening, I sometimes just see a blank blue screen on 55 and subs instead of programming. And I'm in south Parma, I can probably see their tower from my backyard when the trees are bare.
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I've noticed some problems with 55 the last couple weeks. I don't normally watch 55 or any of their subchannels, but while channel surfing in the evening, I sometimes just see a blank blue screen on 55 and subs instead of programming. And I'm in south Parma, I can probably see their tower from my backyard when the trees are bare.
There's definitely something going on with them. It doesn't seem like tropo in their case. Their signal starts acting up like clockwork as soon as Star Trek TNG starts at 9. Then it's usually fine by 10 or 11 PM.
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They deliver what they promise?

I still don't get 19/43 OTA since the changes. I suspect I'll hafta to mount the antenna in the attic or outdoor, but my time here on Earth is running out.


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There's definitely something going on with them. It doesn't seem like tropo in their case. Their signal starts acting up like clockwork as soon as Star Trek TNG starts at 9. Then it's usually fine by 10 or 11 PM.
I remember a few years ago seeing WBNX's signal was bouncing all over the place, but this wasn't the result of multipath. It was clear that they were having some sort of transmitter issue at the time as the signal meter was bouncing back and forth in a repetitive pattern and not in a random fashion.

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I still don't get 19/43 OTA since the changes. I suspect I'll hafta to mount the antenna in the attic or outdoor, but my time here on Earth is running out.




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Strange, around 6 months or so ago I started getting 19/43 back on a pretty much daily basis... but still its not nearly as reliable as before whatever happened in July/August '15 that knocked it off for good. Coming back seemed a bit gradual over a few months too.

Yes, mine is too.

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Strange, around 6 months or so ago I started getting 19/43 back on a pretty much daily basis... but still its not nearly as reliable as before whatever happened in July/August '15 that knocked it off for good. Coming back seemed a bit gradual over a few months too.

Yes, mine is too.
I think he's referring to the Akron repeater, which is being interfered with WOSU's repeater (W18ES-D) where he's at.

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NBC LX is coming to WUEK/WEKA .7.

https://www.lx.com/where-to-watch/

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NBC LX is coming to WUEK/WEKA .7.

https://www.lx.com/where-to-watch/
That listing says Cleveland-Akron 26.7. Does 26.7 make it out to Akron?
Sounds like This! saying that little Canton station also serves Cleveland.
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That listing says Cleveland-Akron 26.7. Does 26.7 make it out to Akron?
Sounds like This! saying that little Canton station also serves Cleveland.
WUEK/26 coverage

WEKA/41 coverage - if and when it ever gets built and put on the air

And unlike WIVM/This TV, these stations actually reach their intended markets.

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That listing says Cleveland-Akron 26.7. Does 26.7 make it out to Akron?
Sounds like This! saying that little Canton station also serves Cleveland.
Doesn't even make it to Brunswick

At least until they move their transmitter to Brecksville which should happen in a few months.
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Doesn't even make it to Brunswick

At least until they move their transmitter to Brecksville which should happen in a few months.
I drove past that tower (WTAM) about a month ago and didn't notice anything new on it, so I'm sure it will be longer than 2 months, or until the repack has completed and tower crews are available.

Also, back when they were blasting out a whopping 5 kW of power, WEKA didn't even make it to the dark green areas of Bedford, even with a proper outdoor antenna setup on a two story house.

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I drove past that tower (WTAM) about a month ago and didn't notice anything new on it, so I'm sure it will be longer than 2 months, or until the repack has completed and tower crews are available.

Also, back when they were blasting out a whopping 5 kW of power, WEKA didn't even make it to the dark green areas of Bedford, even with a proper outdoor antenna setup on a two story house.
I should be in the "Easy Outdoor" for WEKA according to the map but never can decode them.
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I should be in the "Easy Outdoor" for WEKA according to the map but never can decode them.
Either their coverage doesn't reflect Trip's maps or they intentionally operate at a lower than authorized power. Of course, their short, low laying tower doesn't help much either. Here's how I look at the DTV/HC2 stations when it comes to the longley rice coverage area...

81+ dBu : Easy Outdoor (?)
71-80 dBu : Med. Outdoor
61-70 dBu : Hard Outdoor
51-60 dBu : Very Hard Outdoor
41-50 dBu : GOOD LUCK!

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WUEK/26 coverage

WEKA/41 coverage - if and when it ever gets built and put on the air

And unlike WIVM/This TV, these stations actually reach their intended markets.
The new WEAK coverage map clearly defines the effects of the ridge on the northeast lakeshore.

Edit: I see 26.7 is on now with the LX logo, some show on urban farming.

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The new WEAK coverage map clearly defines the effects of the ridge on the northeast lakeshore.

Edit: I see 26.7 is on now with the LX logo, some show on urban farming.
WUEK and KONV decoding barely this morning. WVIZ (low 20's dB, usually 30+) and WQHS (25 dB, should be over 30) still weak (with [bad?] LTE filter bypassed). Tropo still?
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WUEK and KONV decoding barely this morning. WVIZ (low 20's dB, usually 30+) and WQHS (25 dB, should be over 30) still weak (with [bad?] LTE filter bypassed). Tropo still?
I'm having a hard time with WUEK lately. (Must be the leaves). KONV comes in slightly better with their 4 kW broadcast. WUEK is suppose to be 7 kW, but it appears that they've been at 5 kW for the last year and a half. (About the same reception as WEKA's 5 kW broadcast when they were on RF 27).

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I'm having a hard time with WUEK lately. (Must be the leaves). KONV comes in slightly better with their 4 kW broadcast. WUEK is suppose to be 7 kW, but it appears that they've been at 5 kW for the last year and a half. (About the same reception as WEKA's 5 kW broadcast when they were on RF 27).
Almost jealous of you guys that live near Cleveland and can get WEKA, KONV, WUEK, etc. at least part of the time, whereas those of us South of Akron don't get even close to a signal on any of them.

In the meantime, I have gotten a solid signal on W16D-OD Cleveland for over 2 weeks now.
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Almost jealous of you guys that live near Cleveland and can get WEKA, KONV, WUEK, etc. at least part of the time, whereas those of us South of Akron don't get even close to a signal on any of them.



In the meantime, I have gotten a solid signal on W16D-OD Cleveland for over 2 weeks now.
Just north of you, I have never gotten any of the HC2 stations and 16 is touchy.
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Almost jealous of you guys that live near Cleveland and can get WEKA, KONV, WUEK, etc. at least part of the time, whereas those of us South of Akron don't get even close to a signal on any of them.

In the meantime, I have gotten a solid signal on W16D-OD Cleveland for over 2 weeks now.
There's been reports some viewers who live a few miles from their transmitter and still can't decode either station, but that was back when they first signed on.

WUEK and KONV carry the same programming as WEKA and WQDI respectively. They are basically repeaters that stupidly broadcast from the same site, with the same pattern, but at different powers. WEKA does have a CP to broadcast a non-directional 5 kW signal from the WTAM tower, but nothing seems to have been installed yet. This is likely an attempt to reach Akron as well as other areas that can't receive WUEK from Cleveland. Once they move, you maybe able to at least pick one of them up. I hope that they will also move WQDI or KONV there too (with a non-directional signal if possible) as my reception would be better from the WTAM tower.

That's great that you're receiving a steady signal from W16DO, but I'm afraid that you might lose them completely once they move over to RF 27. (Interference from W27DG-D)

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16 scanned in right after I posted above. I wonder if this weekend's hot weather is helping.

I keep forgetting that they are moving later than other stations.
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There's been reports some viewers who live a few miles from their transmitter and still can't decode either station, but that was back when they first signed on.

WUEK and KONV carry the same programming as WEKA and WQDI respectively. They are basically repeaters that stupidly broadcast from the same site, with the same pattern, but at different powers. WEKA does have a CP to broadcast a non-directional 5 kW signal from the WTAM tower, but nothing seems to have been installed yet. This is likely an attempt to reach Akron as well as other areas that can't receive WUEK from Cleveland. Once they move, you maybe able to at least pick one of them up. I hope that they will also move WQDI or KONV there too (with a non-directional signal if possible) as my reception would be better from the WTAM tower.

That's great that you're receiving a steady signal from W16DO, but I'm afraid that you might lose them completely once they move over to RF 27. (Interference from W27DG-D)
With my new antenna, KONV is the most common to decode, followed by WUEK. Both are weather dependent. The other 2 are no-shows.

WBNX still going crazy at 9PM sharp. Signal jumps all over the place and frequently glitches/drops out. It is a solid 30 dB the rest of the time.

WQHS and WVIZ are fine now with the LTE filter removed.
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With my new antenna, KONV is the most common to decode, followed by WUEK. Both are weather dependent. The other 2 are no-shows
Oddly enough that has been the case for me, by roughly a 1 dB difference. WQDI came in good for a while once they kicked their power up to 5 kW, but now they hardly ever decode. WEKA is supposedly still on the air but at a much lower power than before. (.075 kW).

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Either my luck ran out when the leaves came in or my, uhhh, "not quite part 15" experiment fried my west tuner.. I tried switching a few things around on that tuner with no luck. East is technically lower and has closer vegetation, yet I see no difference there.

Shenanigans are most certainly afoot. Will further investigate as nice days/physical wellness match up at some point.
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