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post #4921 of 6771 Old 12-05-2007, 07:30 PM
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I just bought a HD TV and for the past 5 year hve been too cheap to pay for cable. We watch movies and I love the HD picture. Anyway what's the best HD antenna and what else do I need to buy to get this set-up in my house. I was told by a guy at radio shack that I need to search on-line to find out how close certain stations are to my house. I'm getting a good idea from this blog but is there a website that lists locations? Tanks for the help.

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Try antennaweb.com......you shouldnt need much of an antenna to receive the Dayton stations from Beavercreek.
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Try antennaweb.com......you shouldnt need much of an antenna to receive the Dayton stations from Beavercreek.

It depends on where in Beavercreek you are, but I'm in Kettering and I have an $11 non-amped antenna in my living room that picks up NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, and PBS with no problems, and CW which cuts out alot, but doesn't really affect me as I have little interest in watching the station anyways. I wouldn't expect you to have to spend much money at all. If you are looking for an internal set of rabbit ears, most places will let you return them if they don't work for you (BB, CC, RS). So I'd start cheap and work your way up to more expensive and more amplified antennas. If you're looking for an external antenna, then you'll have to ask someone else. I still imagine that you won't need anything expensive to pick up Dayton's locals. You aren't very far away.
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Thanks I'm near factory road and dayton xenia
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I'm a bit to the north of you (north of Dayton-Xenia) and get decent reception most of the time with one of the Terk knock-off versions of the Silver Sensor. The only times that reception gets problematic are when we have high winds. There are lots of big trees in this neighborhood and the multipath drives my receiver crazy when the wind gets to blowing them around. There's no way I could put up a tower big enough to get above these trees...
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Most times you don't need to get above the trees, a well placed highly directional outdoor antenna setup (such as antennasdirectXG91 for UHF) can do wonders for difficulties involving Multipath/and or rapid signal fading issues which can be difficult for your receiver's AGC circuit to handle which trees blowing around can cause but there are no guarentees ....

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I think mlbuc (or is he in Kettering?) or one of the other regulars here is in the same area and uses a Silver Sensor or a knock-off of it. There's also someone from the west side of Xenia using a similar antenna to pick up Dayton's channels.
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I think mlbuc (or is he in Kettering?) or one of the other regulars here is in the same area and uses a Silver Sensor or a knock-off of it. There's also someone from the west side of Xenia using a similar antenna to pick up Dayton's channels.

I think you are thinking of me. I'm in Beavercreek Township off of Trebein Rd. and use the Silver Sensor in my attic. I pick up all Dayton locals, and depending on time of day I can get some of the Cincinnati stations. It worked out great yesterday considering i get non-interrupted reception of Ch. 12 out of Cincy at around 4PM, so I was able to watch the Patriots kick the crap out of the Steelers
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...I was able to watch the Patriots kick the crap out of the Steelers

I understand that you have to root against a team since you don't have one to root for!

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I understand that you have to root against a team since you don't have one to root for!

I'm rooting for the Bengals to go 8-8, for the Patriots to go 16-0, for the Dolphins to go 0-16, and for the Steelers to not make the playoffs (but they will, so I will have to settle for rooting for them to lose in the 1st round)
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Anybody on TWC watching Monday Night Football on ESPNHD having their audio frequently cutting out?
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Thanks you for your reply's I think the Silver thing will work. Can you really put these in the attic and not on the roof? Sounds like a good idea if it works to avoid the weathering a little!

Amyway on the other issues

Go Bengals Go Bucks!

Ohio boy here through and through!

Although, I did live in Pittsburgh for 2 years I just can't like them because of how extremely obnoxious their fans are most of which have never lived in Pittsburgh. That's my problem with the Steelers.
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Your attic is no different than your living except it's higher. I had my knock-off version in the attic also.
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Can you really put these in the attic and not on the roof?

You can but the attic introduces additional multipath issues, as well as additional attenuation which would not occur on the roof. That's not to say it won't work though. You can always give it a try and see the results...

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The silver sensor is not built for the roof.
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I have a Channel Master CM-4228 antenna on my roof in Kettering. I do have a silver sensor on another TV, which gets decent reception, but not perfect (of course, it is in the opposite corner of the house from the TV towers, thus is pointing all the way back through the house).
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I know some people here are interested in when DirecTV will offer Dayton locals in HD, so I thought this might be of interest: DTV announced 11 new markets to receive HD locals by mid-2008, and Dayton still ain't one of 'em.

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The 11 local markets to receive HD programming from DIRECTV include:

* Albany/Schenectady/Troy, N.Y.

* Paducah, Ky.

* Cedar Rapids/Waterloo, Iowa

* Tucson, Ariz.

* Flint/Saginaw/Bay City, Mich.

* Waco/Temple/Bryan, Texas

* Lincoln/Hastings, Neb.

* Wichita/Hutchinson, Kan.

* Louisville, Ky.

* Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Pa.

* Omaha, Neb.



http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071205/20071205005927.html?.v=1


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Paducah KY ? That's a joke, right ?
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Paducah KY ? That's a joke, right ?

Saw the same post on the Lexington thread a few days ago... those folks weren't too happy to see Paducah either

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I was testing a new HD tuner last night and was recording How I met your mother, and CSI Miami (both on 7-1). This was OTA reception.

HIMYM looked fine picture wise but the sound was very quiet. Commercials had normal sound.

CSI Miami had good sound but the picture wasn't in HD.

Just was wondering if any other people saw the same problems?

I should add that I had them recorded on my DirecTV HR20 in HD through the Cincinnati local DirecTV has on their mpeg4 satellite. Both shows looked and sounded great through them.
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I looked up Paducah on wikipedia and the town has a population of 25000 or so... I'm surprised they have a single TV station !
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TV markets (DMA = Designated marketing areas) are usually much larger than the population of any particular city. The AVSforum local thread index currently shows Paducah with 390,000 TV households (probably an average of 2 or 3 persons per households, haven't checked that stat lately), and DMA Market #79.

Dayton is DMA #62 with approx. 511,000 TV households. yeah, it's bigger, but not by THAT much ...

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TV markets (DMA = Designated marketing areas) are usually much larger than the population of any particular city. The AVSforum local thread index currently shows Paducah with 390,000 TV households (probably an average of 2 or 3 persons per households, haven't checked that stat lately), and DMA Market #79.

Dayton is DMA #62 with approx. 511,000 TV households. yeah, it's bigger, but not by THAT much ...

Do you know which areas are included in the Dayton MSA? I would assume Springfield is, but would those numbers change the number of TV households that are in range of the Dayton towers?

I'm certainly wishing that Dish had Dayton HD's, but alas, those seem to be over the horizon as well. Anyone know where that list is published?
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Do you know which areas are included in the Dayton MSA?

MSA(metropolitan service area) is different than DMA and is based on such things census data and the "centers" of populations in given areas regions ....

DMA is what it's "all about" for the sat carriers and stations ... Here is Dayton DMA map(shaded area), for which springfield is included :

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/TVMarkets/City%20Maps/Dayton.gif

Here are the MSA maps for Ohio(you can also find out info on what MSA's "are" from here, springfield has its Own MSA :

http://lmi.state.oh.us/maps/MapofMSAs2000.htm

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would those numbers change the number of TV households that are in range of the Dayton towers?

They(springfield) are included in those Dayton numbers, anyone within the DMA is.

Also, There are *many* more folks within range of Dayton towers(which are a couple miles SW of Downtown Dayton) than are inside Dayton DMA who can receive the Dayton stations OTA (but not via DBS LiL), because the Signals don't allways follow DMA boundries. Dayton stations coverage areas reach out about 55~65 Miles, Pretty much to Columbus and Past cincinnati into Northern KY.

I'm In Cincinnati DMA for instance, but am only 12 miles from Dayton towers, while I'm ~32 miles from Cincinnati transmitters ...

Most cable systems serviing areas between Dayton+Cincinnati carry Dayton stations(as well as Cincinnati) even though they are out of market stations .... Dayton Cable has Cincinnati stations in most areas as well, as they are so close (Dayton+Cincinnati towers are only about 40 miles apart, their signals cover the majority of population in both markets ...) .....

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Paducah ... with 390,000 TV households (probably an average of 2 or 3 persons per households, haven't checked that stat lately), and DMA Market #79.

Dayton is DMA #62 with approx. 511,000 TV households. yeah, it's bigger, but not by THAT much ...

The DMA ranking doesn't appear to be that much of a factor anymore.... The issue is $$$, contracts, negotiations, and so on nowadays.

I also realize that the DMA includes more than the 'named' city but I just expected a little more correlation between the size of the main city and it's surrounding market. Just look at Paducah on a map... It's hard to believe it has almost 400,000 homes.
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I was testing a new HD tuner last night and was recording How I met your mother, and CSI Miami (both on 7-1). This was OTA reception.

HIMYM looked fine picture wise but the sound was very quiet. Commercials had normal sound.

CSI Miami had good sound but the picture wasn't in HD.

Just was wondering if any other people saw the same problems?

I should add that I had them recorded on my DirecTV HR20 in HD through the Cincinnati local DirecTV has on their mpeg4 satellite. Both shows looked and sounded great through them.

The problem is not in your set! It appeared WHIO was having some problems and they switched away from the HD feed while they were attempting to resolve them.

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What is up with ThinkTv one HD channel and 4 SD channels.
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What is up with ThinkTv one HD channel and 4 SD channels.
I'm guessing that it's probably a mistake or a test, and it's not happening on WPTO-DT(of course there programming is completely different anyway), just WPTD-DT ... Hope so anyway, I've seen it happen before ...

Update: Then again, with WCET-DT reportedly changing their HD service from 24/7 -* PBS HD channel feed next week to simulcasting the WCET 48 analog programming, with HD "only" presumably only when it's available for that programming schedule (No HD for "lawrence welk" for instance, so there will likely be a lot of SD upconverts on there now whearas now it's HD(or Widescreen SD upconverted at PBS) on 48.1 whenever the station is on the air) : It certianly would be nice if WPTD-DT could start sending the PBS HD channel 24/7 rather than just 6pm to 6am .... However, They should drop all the SD channels (or at least all but 1 of them, or transcode to 720p and multicast 1 or 2 SD subchannels) though, and make WPTD-DT HD only for the best quality .... The SD channels can go on WPTO-DT, at least 6 of them ...

* - except OTA when WCET goes off air 1am~6am 3 or 4 nights a week, and except between 6pm~7:30 M~F when they've been upconverting Newshour/NBR lately ..

It's varying quite a bit, but the 1080i HD video on 16-6 is getting between about 5~8Mb/s currently, with the SD video running about 2mb~3mb/s or so max per channel .... Although the MPEG2 blocking issues are horrible on the HD channel, I'm surprised it's not worse, it's bad enough with 2SD+1 HD ....

Files in Attached zip file archive shows analysis of their transport stream, currently, with video thumbnails/screenshots for the video decode (from TSreader html export) ... Just unzip them all and click on the HTMl file for the text, scroll down to near bottom for "PID usage list" for the bandwidth usage (PID 0x0071 is 16.6 HD video) .... Sorry the filenames got changed during the zip as I'm using an "ancient" version of PKzip(dos) that supports 8.3 characters max for filenames so you'll have to click on the jpgs for the video decode thumbnails, they would usually show up in the HTML file) ..

 

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So is something going on with the CW up in Dayton?

Supernatural and Smallville weren't in HD yesterday night.

This was OTA reception in my case.

Anybody else see this?
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^ Didn't catch that from WBDT-DT, I'll try to remember to check it for tomorrow evening's CW HD and see what happens ... Update: Well, I forgot about it, I don't think anything that aired on CW between 8~10pm would have been HD anyway, but I think some of the shows between 5~7pm in the "old" WB easyview slots should have been(They usually are)


On another note
Noticed ThinkTV/WPTD-DT has been at 3SD services+1 HD last couple of Days/nights, Max HD bitrate running around 10mb/s currently(Yikes! This ain't H.264 or VC-1!) ... lots of mosquito noise, looks on the soft side as well(prefiltering before encoder perhaps? ) so, appears to me like this "mistake" is likely an intentional one

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